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Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:35 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know Canada does not have a single active 747, which is my favourite a/c and I know is also many of yours.

Canada used to have tonnes of 747s owned by:

Air Canada
Wardair
Canadian
CP Air
Pacific Western
(Feel free to add to the list)

In the end they all got bought out by AC and the 747s were replaced by the A340  Sad It's a shame. They are so pretty, and I really liked them in their last Air Canada and especially Canadian's Goose livery.

Does anyone know of any ACTIVE canadian 747s?
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:19 pm

The 747 was a popular a/c with many airlines in Canada, and it is truly missed by many.
I flew on a few AC 747 flights when I was really young to TPA, MIA and LAX and an AA flight from LAX-HNL. My last flight was on a AC 744 from YVR-YYZ back in '96. I got to sit on the upper deck which actually was a little dissapointing.

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Thread starter):
Pacific Western

PWA never flew the 747. The largest a/c they had were the 707 and 767.
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:21 pm

Don't forget Nationair (NX), which flew 747-100s and 747-200s in the early 90s.
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:36 pm

A list of Canadian B747 operators:

Air Canada : -100 (5); -200BM (3); -400 (4) & -400M (3)
Air Club : -100 (1) & -200B (1)
Canadian Airlines : -100 (3) & -400 (4)
CP Air : -200B (4)
Fortunair : - 200B (1)
Nationair : -100 (5) & -200B (4)
Wardair : -100 (3) & -200B (2)

And indeed, Pacific Western largest aircraft ever was a pair of B762 that are now with AC.

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Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:00 pm

The 747 "peaked" in Canada in the late 70's with 15 aircraft: AC 7 (5 741, 2 742M), CP 4 (742) and WD 4 (2 741, 2 742).
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:38 pm

This was Air Canada's last 747-400 as it was about to be towed into the paint shop, the first step in its preparation to be be returned to the lessor. A sad sight indeed.

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Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting YYZ757FAN (Reply 5):
This was Air Canada's last 747-400 as it was about to be towed into the paint shop, the first step in its preparation to be be returned to the lessor. A sad sight indeed.

I think 2007 will be a proud year for AC fans as they will be taking delivery of band new Boeing 772LRs and 773ERs. These will replace the Airbus A340s that will be returned to the lessors (I think they're going to Swiss upon return). AC followed closely by DL will be the first North American operators of the 772LR.
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
AC followed closely by DL will be the first North American operators of the 772LR.

And indeed the first N American operator of the 773 as well. The 773s will arrive before the 772LRs as well.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
I think they're going to Swiss upon return

Only one will go to Swiss.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting YYZ757FAN (Reply 5):
This was Air Canada's last 747-400 as it was about to be towed into the paint shop, the first step in its preparation to be be returned to the lessor. A sad sight indeed.

It sure is a sad sight!

The last 747 flight operated by a Canandian carrier was on the 31st October 2004. Can someone give me a list of the flights the 744s used to operate for Air Canada and Canadian Airlines?

Why exactly did the 744's go from the AC fleet, IIRC it was due to the A345s?

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Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 8):
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
I think they're going to Swiss upon return

Only one will go to Swiss.

C-FYKX (A340-313X) will go to Swiss from Air Canada.
C-FYLC (A340-313X) will go to LAN Airlines from Air Canada.

What is the fate of the other A340s, I've heard everything from RG to TP?

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Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:56 am

Yup, georgious bird for sure. To bad they're all gone. Not sure why though. AC used to run 744 combi's, does anyone know if they had any that weren't? I imagine AC decided on "frquency" over "volume" for its long haul busy routes. I loved the Canadian Airlines ones all decked out like a Canada Goose, very fitting. 777's will be cool to have around, but design wise, they look like any other 2 engine aircraft around, except bigger.
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 9):
C-FYKX (A340-313X) will go to Swiss from Air Canada.

Where did you get that info from ?

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Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 9):
list of the flights the 744s used to operate for Air Canada and Canadian Airlines?

YUL-LHR/CDG/FRA/YYZ/YOW
YYZ-LHR/CDG/FRA/YVR/YUL/LAX
YYC-LHR
YVR-LHR/NRT/HKG/TPE/YYZ/HNL
LHR-DEL
HKG-BKK/MNL
HNL-SYD

some of the above routes operated with the -400 for as little as one season
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 9):
The last 747 flight operated by a Canandian carrier was on the 31st October 2004. Can someone give me a list of the flights the 744s used to operate for Air Canada and Canadian Airlines?

Yes! Your are exactly right. Last flight was FRA-YYZ AC874 (I think it was, the boarding pass is upstairs) Me and my friend traveled out to FRA just for the flight home. As we were a few hours out of YYZ the Capt. came on and gave a little bit of an annoucment, as it was the last flight etc etc etc... nice touch....

Quoting YYCowboy (Reply 10):
Yup, georgious bird for sure. To bad they're all gone. Not sure why though. AC used to run 744 combi's, does anyone know if they had any that weren't? I imagine AC decided on "frquency" over "volume" for its long haul busy routes. I loved the Canadian Airlines ones all decked out like a Canada Goose, very fitting. 777's will be cool to have around, but design wise, they look like any other 2 engine aircraft around, except bigger.

Yes the 744s were gorgeous for sure... AC did have some 744s that were not combi's. They got all of these examples from CP during the merger. These A/C where quickly done away with however. The CP livery with the goose looked great, to bad we did not see it for longer. Ill agree on that that the 777 is going to be a bit of a set back. Hopefully the 333s will stay in the fleet for a while.
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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
think 2007 will be a proud year for AC fans as they will be taking delivery of band new Boeing 772LRs and 773ERs. These will replace the Airbus A340s that will be returned to the lessors (I think they're going to Swiss upon return)...

I'm not really sure why this will make a proud year for AC fans Confused
The T7 isn't as entertaining a spot as the A340, and I doubt many travellers in AC Y will be "proud" to be sitting in a 3-3-3- arrangement vs the Airbus 2-4-2.

The 747 is too much plane for the relatively small Cdn market. AC didn't choose frequency over a/c size, the consumer did.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Multimark (Reply 14):
'm not really sure why this will make a proud year for AC fans Confused
The T7 isn't as entertaining a spot as the A340

Have you ever seen a 773 in person? They are truly massive and much more impressive than the 340. The T7 will not be a let down by any means.

Quoting Multimark (Reply 14):
and I doubt many travellers in AC Y will be "proud" to be sitting in a 3-3-3- arrangement vs the Airbus 2-4-2.

They will be sitting in a much more modern aircraft with new seats and personal AVOD systems in every seat. That will be an improvement over the 340 for sure.

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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 15):
Have you ever seen a 773 in person? They are truly massive and much more impressive than the 340. The T7 will not be a let down by any means.

Yes, and no they're not. Just a pudgy overgrown 737 to me.

You can put AVOD into any Airbus widebody, and indeed AC is doing this to the A330. They won't be putting 2-4-2 into the T7 though. thumbsdown 
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:12 am

By my user name, you will see that I am a fan of the late great 747's of AC.
I still can't believe that a country as great as Canada has not one operational 747 of any series in operation.
I'm a sad man.
I'd nearly even take the Air Club one.........nearly.
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:59 am

777 are going to make Canada proud. The A330 and A340 are the right size for Canada. 747 were too big for high frequency and point to point service. If traffic to Europe was through Toronto and all Asia was going through Vancouver then a 747 might be the right size.

But the people in Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton, Ottowa and Montreal want their nonstops to LHR and CDG. The Ontario passengers want nonstop to Tokyo, HKG and PVG so it got to be smaller 777 and 787 to make the schedule work.
 
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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 1):
PWA never flew the 747. The largest a/c they had were the 707 and 767.

Sorry, That must have been a typo. I'm not sure how that got in there.

This lack of 747s is depressin', despite the new T7s.I think I am going to start my own airline with the 747-8I.  Smile
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
777 are going to make Canada proud. The A330 and A340 are the right size for Canada...

In some ways the 1st sentence of your post contradicts the 2nd. If indeed the A340 is the right size for Canada, the 773 risks being too big. 40% more J seats than the 343 and 20% more in Y. I'm curious what AC is going to do in the way of market development to fill those.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Thread starter):
Canada used to have tonnes of 747s owned by:



Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 3):
A list of Canadian B747 operators:

Air Canada : -100 (5); -200BM (3); -400 (4) & -400M (3)
Air Club : -100 (1) & -200B (1)
Canadian Airlines : -100 (3) & -400 (4)
CP Air : -200B (4)
Fortunair : - 200B (1)
Nationair : -100 (5) & -200B (4)
Wardair : -100 (3) & -200B (2)

And indeed, Pacific Western largest aircraft ever was a pair of B762 that are now with AC.

Hmmm.....just about 43 aircraft totally....not really "tonnes of 747's".....but then, I guess the 767, A340/330 and now the 777/787 are really more suitable for Canadian carriers, as compared to the 747.....
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
Hmmm.....just about 43 aircraft totally....not really "tonnes of 747's"

It's definately tonnes compared to what we have now!
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
Hmmm.....just about 43 aircraft totally....not really "tonnes of 747's"

In fact, that wasn't even 43, but 31 in all because the four AC -400 came from CP, the -200B of Air Club had previously flown with NX. Canadian three -100s remained very shortly in their fleet and were all ex. WD. At NX, three -100 were the one dumped by CP and inherited from WD. Finally, of WD fleet one of its -100 was an ex. AC aircraft. That makes in all 31 different B747s operated by an airline in Canada to date.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 23):
In fact, that wasn't even 43, but 31 in all because the four AC -400 came from CP, the -200B of Air Club had previously flown with NX. Canadian three -100s remained very shortly in their fleet and were all ex. WD. At NX, three -100 were the one dumped by CP and inherited from WD. Finally, of WD fleet one of its -100 was an ex. AC aircraft. That makes in all 31 different B747s operated by an airline in Canada to date.

Wow, hey thanks for that that is very informative.
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 3):
A list of Canadian B747 operators:

Air Canada : -100 (5); -200BM (3); -400 (4) & -400M (3)
Air Club : -100 (1) & -200B (1)
Canadian Airlines : -100 (3) & -400 (4)
CP Air : -200B (4)
Fortunair : - 200B (1)
Nationair : -100 (5) & -200B (4)
Wardair : -100 (3) & -200B (2)

And indeed, Pacific Western largest aircraft ever was a pair of B762 that are now with AC.

Cheers.

Nationair had nine 747??? Are you sure of that? I'm really surprised. I thought I flew on the one and only, 747, Nationair ever had.

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Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:43 am

This may be a stupid question, but when an aircraft is phased out (744 for A-340) who decides on which pilots get the transitional training? is it seniority based? Who would want to fly the A-340 after piloting a 47? Of course I would but I don't get to fly anything.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting NW1852 (Reply 26):
Who would want to fly the A-340 after piloting a 47?

If i was a Pilot for any airline who retired an entire fleet of 747s, I'd be lookin for a new job with another 747 flyin airline, rather than fly an A340.
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:55 am

I too miss the AC 744s, I managed to fly on one of them, on a trip to YYZ.

Will be missed  Sad



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Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:06 pm

I was a gap student in the UK for a year, and the best flights to LON from my hometown in northern Vermont were from Montreal. I flew out from YMX right before they closed. One of my flights, I think back from spring break from YUL, I was talking to a male F/A, and he opened the bulkhead door so I could peer into the cargo bay. You could have thrown a football in there! I am amazed that the airlines have been so reluctant to use the space above the cabin ceiling of the 748i, anyone who ever operated a 74 combi had to have known the potential. I am sad to hear of the demise of the Combis in general.
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:12 pm

Quoting A5XX (Reply 25):
Nationair had nine 747??? Are you sure of that? I'm really surprised. I thought I flew on the one and only, 747, Nationair ever had.

Yes, NX flew several different 747s, although not all at once. In the early 90s, I worked for NX as a flight attendant and remember flying on two ex-Wardair planes (747-1D1s, C-FDJC and C-FFUN), as well as former TW 747-200s (N303TW and N304TW, in the TW colour scheme minus the titles). Others came into the fleet a bit later or at the same time, including C-FNXA (-200)
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:23 pm

*cough* While I do think the 747 is a majestic bird, I think the AC 340s are gorgeous and equally majestic and would have looked fantastic in Canadian's last livery, which was possibly one of my favorite liveries of all time. I'm afraid that the 777 will simply look to be an overgrown version of what AC already has in its 767s; the engines on a T7 are indeed impressive, but there is a lovely grace and elegance in a four engined aircraft like the 747 or 340. Just my 2c worth. Means nothing to economics and efficiency!
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:30 pm

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 31):
I think the AC 340s are gorgeous and equally majestic and would have looked fantastic in Canadian's last livery, which was possibly one of my favorite liveries of all time.

I agree 100%. That livery is My favourite hands down!
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:34 pm

Wonder if AC will ever order the B 747-8.
 
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 33):
Wonder if AC will ever order the B 747-8

That would be a dream come true  Smile
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Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting A5XX (Reply 25):
Nationair had nine 747??? Are you sure of that? I'm really surprised.

Yes I'm sure.  Wink

Quoting Matt (Reply 30):
Yes, NX flew several different 747s, although not all at once.

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Keep in mind that NX was taking part to the Hadj pilgrimage. Thus C-FDJC / C-FFUN / C-FNXP & C-GNXH were once or more leased to GA or SV for that purpose. And remember seeing C-GNXH at ZRH back in 1991 and flying for GA.

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Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:23 pm

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 35):
Keep in mind that NX was taking part to the Hadj pilgrimage. Thus C-FDJC / C-FFUN / C-FNXP & C-GNXH were once or more leased to GA or SV for that purpose. And remember seeing C-GNXH at ZRH back in 1991 and flying for GA.

Thanks for the details! Indeed, NX operated a lot of Haaj flights with the DC-8 and the 747, including the fateful one on July 11, 1991, when C-GMXQ, a DC-8-61 bound for Sokoto, Nigeria (and operated on behalf of Nigerian Airways), crashed shortly after takeoff from Jeddah, killing all 261 passengers and crew on board.
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:52 am

Quoting Multimark (Reply 14):
The T7 isn't as entertaining a spot as the A340

You're opinion.

Quoting Multimark (Reply 16):
Yes, and no they're not.

Again, opinion.

Quoting Multimark (Reply 20):
40% more J seats than the 343

Have you visited Air Canada's website recently? The seatmaps are up for the 777s and both versions will have the same amount of ExecutiveFirst seats as the 330s and 340s. It seams that 42 is ACs lucky number for J seats.

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 13):
Ill agree on that that the 777 is going to be a bit of a set back. Hopefully the 333s will stay in the fleet for a while.

Just out of curiosity but how will the 777 be a setback? Technically they'll be an upgrade (at least in size. Personal opinions on comfort, et al aside) over the current fleet as the real size setback was made when the 747s left the fleet leaving the largest aircraft the A340.

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 35):
Yes I'm sure.

Thanks! I didn't knew the operated that many 747.

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 33):
Wonder if AC will ever order the B 747-8.

I don't think it will happening in the near future, however I would like to see it happen someday.

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Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 33):
Wonder if AC will ever order the B 747-8.

The 777-300ER will be the largest AC will operate. Really see no need for them to have the 747-8...
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 40):
Really see no need for them to have the 747-8..

Not Yet  Wink However it would still be a beautiful sight to see.
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Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 41):

Not Yet Wink However it would still be a beautiful sight to see.

I second that, for sure!
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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:56 am

It seems like most of the North American carriers have been avoiding the 747 for a while now. That AC operated them until a short time ago is quite amazing. In the US, only UA and NW have significant 747 fleets, mainly because of their huge presence in the pan-Pacific market. It seems that only the mega-carriers like BA, AF/KLM, Lufthansa operate them in Europe. Most Asian and Oceania airlines still operate them because they suit the long-haul/high load routes.
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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Yulguy (Reply 43):
It seems like most of the North American carriers have been avoiding the 747 for a while now.

That's one of the saddest things I've ever heard  Sad
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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:05 am

Who cares if a CANADIAN airline no longer operates a 747? What's more important is that several international airlines operate a 747 to Canada!

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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 45):
Who cares if a CANADIAN airline no longer operates a 747? What's more important is that several international airlines operate a 747 to Canada!

Hey stop wreckin' my thread. Haha.

It's a good point, but I, and most of us Aviation enthusiast would much rather see the 747 under a Canadian operator Again.
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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 45):
Who cares if a CANADIAN airline no longer operates a 747? What's more important is that several international airlines operate a 747 to Canada!

Yes, but even that is declining.

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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:42 am

There are so many 777's flying these days, it would have been nice to see AC hold onto the A340 for a little variety. Poor Canadians, first the majestic 747 is eliminated and soon it will be nothing but twin jets! No more four engine widebodies..  ashamed 

Can anyone tell me why AC has elected to replace the A340s with T7s? Did the botched landing at YYZ a couple years ago where it skidded off the runway factor into the decision?
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RE: Canada Lacks In The 747 (0)

Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 37):
Just out of curiosity but how will the 777 be a setback? Technically they'll be an upgrade (at least in size. Personal opinions on comfort, et al aside) over the current fleet as the real size setback was made when the 747s left the fleet leaving the largest aircraft the A340.

IMO, It will be a setback in comfort. I know the 777s will be bigger (773 especially) but the 3-3-3 is horrible for the back. If you get stuck in the back you have to wake two people up if your at a window seat in order to get to the washroom. As far as the AVOD is concerned the 343 could have gotten it as well. Also the 343 is much quieter and it feels smother in the air. I do not care about take off performance, as I am not the PF. I am a passenger (right now anyways  Wink) and just want the most comfortable plane possible. I can not wait for the 333s to be project xm'ed as I really want to get a chance to have a flight in one of those lie flat seats. (I travel AC and never been on the 345)
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