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Flying-Tiger
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PIA B787 Order?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:49 pm

Source seems to be a bit shaky, maybe our members from Pakistan can sheed a bit light on it:

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PIAC Senior Vice President (Sales) Kamran Hassan told a press conference that the corporation was set to induct 70 ATR aircrafts for services to remote areas of the country. “Ten of the total 70 ATRs will be inducted in PIA’s fleet by the end of February,” he said.

He said the airline’s 12 777 family aircrafts, eight 737 aircrafts and four 787 aircrafts would be replaced with new ones.

The "would be replaced with new ones" might simply be a misquote and could mean that these are meant to be the new planes. Still, 70 ATRs seems to be quite ambitious...

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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:03 am

I have read that they will eventually have 12 777 but never knew about the 787.

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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:38 am

the 70 ATRs is a big typo error...it should be 7
 
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:41 am

I imagine it is a misquote, where the 777s, 737s and 787s (assuming this is an upcoming order) will be new aircraft.

Either that or PIA is looking at less then a decade's service for their latest models before they buy the A350 and A320NG/A320RS, which seems unlikely (just because of the capital expenditure of buying the Boeing jets probably won't be fully amortized by ~2015).
 
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
the 70 ATRs is a big typo error...it should be 7

Well, that´s what I was thinking first as well. However, if we assume 7, then this doesn´t add up:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
“Ten of the total 70 ATRs will be inducted in PIA’s fleet by the end of February,” he said.
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:49 am

Considering the B787 has yet to fly yet, I would say the story is a bit inaccurate....that being said, the B787-8 would be ideal for many of PK's routes....
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:23 am

or is it referring to 70-seater ATR?
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:55 am

If it is referring to 70 seater ATR , so it is ATR72...........but PIA only have ATR42-500s , and no 72s on order !!!!!!!
 
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
Considering the B787 has yet to fly yet, I would say the story is a bit inaccurate....that being said, the B787-8 would be ideal for many of PK's routes....

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I don't think PK will jump the gun too soon with the 787. They've seen the delays from Airbus, and would certainly not order an untested aircraft until they know it has passed all the proper tests, and it has been certified.

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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 8):
They've seen the delays from Airbus, and would certainly not order an untested aircraft until they know it has passed all the proper tests, and it has been certified.

doesn't quite fit the logics with the 777-200LR, IMO.
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:21 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 9):
doesn't quite fit the logics with the 777-200LR, IMO.

I suppose, but the orders of the 772LR were placed before all the delays of the A380. I think PK realized they were fortunate to receive their aircrafts on time, but it also offered as a warning for many airlines (like PK).

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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:29 am

Could PIA go for Airbus a/c given the fact that the US haven't been too welcoming with the nonstop flights from Pakistan? PIA could react by ordering Airbus a/c instead of Boeing?
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
Could PIA go for Airbus a/c given the fact that the US haven't been too welcoming with the nonstop flights from Pakistan? PIA could react by ordering Airbus a/c instead of Boeing?

That's an interesting point. I suppose, that would be the "ultimate retaliation."

But given PK's problem-free business with Boeing, I don't think they have an urge to order Airbus a/c. Why fix something that's not broken, you could say..

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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:00 pm

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 10):
Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 9):
doesn't quite fit the logics with the 777-200LR, IMO.

I suppose, but the orders of the 772LR were placed before all the delays of the A380. I think PK realized they were fortunate to receive their aircrafts on time, but it also offered as a warning for many airlines (like PK).

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PK's 777's don't have the auxiliary tanks either, thus PK didn't need to know if the plane was capable of flying to its extreme limits....

Also, the B777-200LR is a derivative of a model in service for 10 years, and it wasn't a majour derivative either..so much was already known about the plane prior to ordering/flight testing/EIS, etc...

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
Could PIA go for Airbus a/c given the fact that the US haven't been too welcoming with the nonstop flights from Pakistan? PIA could react by ordering Airbus a/c instead of Boeing?

The FAA is working quite a bit with Pakistan's CAA to try to get the nonstop situation cleared..but to be honest, its up to the Pakistani government to include proper regulations...all the other countries in the world do it, so should Pakistan..

It seems for Canada, the stricter regulations aren't needed...

That being said, PK just got their 1st B773ER last month  bigthumbsup , and will be getting a B772ER from ILFC next month as well as another B773ER from Boeing next month (I think its next month for the -300ER).
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:23 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
Could PIA go for Airbus a/c given the fact that the US haven't been too welcoming with the nonstop flights from Pakistan? PIA could react by ordering Airbus a/c instead of Boeing?

no PIA wont go for Airbus widebodies to replace their ageing A 310-300 fleet because :

1. Its political relationship with USA is more important in the long run than with France/Germany.

2. The A 332 and A 358 is too big of a replacement for the A 310. However, the B 787-800 is the ideal replacement pax/cargo capacity and range wise for their entire A 310 fleet.

Remember, PIA only ordered A 310s in 1988 and not B 762ERs because France threatened the Pak Govt of that time sternly that it will not build their navy submarines for them unless the A 310s were ordered.

Same thing just now happened with the ATR order. The original order was going to be for SAABs which were much cheaper than the ATRs and were anyways going to be flying on loss making rural and low density metro routes across Pakistan. Obviously some French Govt pressure swayed the decision in favour of the ATRs as why would any business minded airline not want to save millions of $$$ per aircraft when buying it especially if it is guaranteed to be flown on big time loss making routes. Doesnt make any sort of commercial / business sense one bit!!!
 
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:45 pm

Behramjee

In fact , before to have chosen SAAB to replace F27s , and then ATRs as we know , the very first candidate PK has selected (and placed an order) , was the Indonesian N250.
 
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RE: PIA B787 Order?

Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:17 am

Boeing just recorded four 787 UFOs and four 777 UFOs... Could this be confirmation of the report? PIA has eight 777s on order or delivered, so four more would be twelve. And then four 787s.

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