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Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:01 am

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...2007/01/23/national/a090611S25.DTL

Family couldn't control their toddler and crew kicks them off the flight. Parents claim they weren't given ample time to calm their child down. Thoughts?
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:04 am

Should be done more often.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:05 am

The crew was right. But what parents are these? Why couldn't they force their brat into the seat?
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:07 am

Smart kid, didn't want to go to Blue Hair Heaven in RSW!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 1):
Should be done more often

Couldn't agree more other than to remove more parents when they act up too.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:07 am

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The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and offered them three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said.

But that's too little, too late for the Kuleszas. The father said they would never fly AirTran again.

I'd say they made out pretty well.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:08 am

GOOD FOR AIR TRAN!!!  bigthumbsup   goldmedal   highfive   praise 


People need to learn to control their demon spawn or leave them at home. Some parents are so pathetic these days.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:09 am

Before this turns into a kid bashing thread....

I think AirTran was very reasonable in this matter. 15 minutes for all but the worst tantrums is usually enough time to get a 3-year old to calm enough to at least sit. Of course I don't know why the kid was upset or what triggered the tantrum. If a kid that age is tired or hungry (a deadly combination) they can go off at the smallest little thing and say some of the weirdest things too. Beyond that 15 minutes or so, and however long they were on the plane before they were supposed to push, should have been enough time to get the child situated and ready to go. This family just got unlucky and hit the "it ain't gonna happen today" point.

Financially the family didn't get dinged for having to get tickets for the next day, plus the have vouchers for future flights. Sucks to be them in that situation, but when traveling w/ kids you don't always get to stick to your schedule.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:10 am

From what the article says, I am going to agree with Airtran on this one. FAA rules say a 3-year old can't be a lap child. If the child wouldn't sit in her seat, and the plane was already delayed (article didn't specify if it was delayed just because of the toddler), then I don't see where Airtran had much choice. I am sure there are provisions in the contract of carriage that cover this kind of thing.

I don't know if we have quite enough information to pass judgement, but this appears to me to be yet another case where parents want to blame everyone but themselves for their misbehaving child.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 1):
Should be done more often.

I agree 100%. If you can't control your child, you and your kid should be kicked off the flight.

Excerpt:

"Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and offered them three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said."

End quote.

Why on Earth did Airtran offer them three roundtrip tickets? That has to be the dumbest effing thing I've heard this year...a brat child and her parents delay a flight, cause a disruption, and inconvenience over a hundred other people amongst other things and get offered free tickets.

WOW! Now I'm going to be an a$$hole on my next Airtran flight so I can get free flights also...just kidding

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:15 am

Initially I was inclined to agree the airline was 100% correct and they should always penalise pax who have a lack of discipline over their screaming brats who could consequently make the flight unpleasant for other pax. Like it has already been said, if parents have no control over their spawn, they should leave them at home. However, there are two sides to every story and perhaps the kid might just have been frightened in which case the crew over reacted?
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting DSMflyer (Reply 5):
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The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and offered them three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said.

This is the biggest bull of the whole episode. Reimbursed them for what? I was thinking "good for you AirTran" until I got to this paragraph.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:21 am

Agreed: Good for AirTran. That these folks are from liberal, socialistic Massachusetts conjures up a vision of 'victims' and woe-is-me. But there were 112 passengers on that plane, 111 who were settled in their seat & ready to go. I'm sorry that these 'poor parents' will never fly AirTran again. In truth, AirTran is going to have a party on that news...seriously.

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 11):
This is the biggest bull of the whole episode. Reimbursed them for what? I was thinking "good for you AirTran" until I got to this paragraph.

Ok folks, you need to STOP blaming the parents (at least for the behaviour at the time). Have you tried raising a child today. If you grab them the wrong way in public you can get arrested now and have your child taken away.

We're so busy 'protecting' children from their parents these days that parents are powerless to do anything to discipline their children. And seeing as most of your are older than me and are the generation that started all that lovey dovey crap, you only have yourselves to blame.

So get off your high-horse and accept the fact that if parents can't discipline their kids YOU get to put up with brats.

[edit] Having said that, I agree that you can only delay a plane for so long, and agree they should have been asked to leave and rebooked later (after some gravol  Wink )[/edit]

[Edited 2007-01-23 19:49:05]
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting Mush (Reply 9):
Why on Earth did Airtran offer them three roundtrip tickets?

Practicing CYA (Cover Your Ass) In this day and age, it seems you can be sued for almost anything, so rather than deal with a lawsuit, Air Tran did the smartest thing they could do, reimbursement as well as provide three roundtrip airfares. That way, if this family does decide to take them to court, they will have a very tough case.

AirTran was right in this situation. What was to prevent the child from throwing another tantrum during the flight?

Incidentally, I just had a similar experience on Delta from ATL-FCO back on Dec. 15th, but the parents were able to calm the child down after 5 minutes.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:22 am

Way to go AirTran! I wonder want the other 112 people were thinking when the family was removed from the flight?
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:26 am

Why is it bad that AirTran gave them such a generous package?

AirTran wasn't legally required to do anything other than possibly honor the ticket value for another flight, minus a rebooking fee, right?

It seems, out of generosity, they offered a helluva package to that family, way above and beyond what was required.

And, apparently, they chose to do this free-and-clear, no obligations.

IMHO, it just shows what a smart, classy operation FL runs.

Once DL's clear of their BK (and US), it should be lots of fun to watch both FL and DL in the next several years.

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:34 am

I suspect that refunding the family's air fares is less expensive than a lawsuit.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting DSMflyer (Reply 5):
The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and offered them three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said.

But that's too little, too late for the Kuleszas. The father said they would never fly AirTran again.

Sounds too me like the screaming toddler act was planned, I think they knew they could get free flights!

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:35 am

If it weren't for the publicity, I highly doubt AirTran would've given the family anything other than protection on the next flight......
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):
Should be done more often.

Definately!
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting Travatl (Reply 19):
If it weren't for the publicity, I highly doubt AirTran would've given the family anything other than protection on the next flight......

Travis if you understood how CRD works at AirTran you'd know that those people got the compensation before they went to the media. Anytime people call 866-AIR-CHAT they will get most anything that they want. We have complained about it numerous times to Jack Smith, and Loral Blinde, but they still give away the farm.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 10):
However, there are two sides to every story and perhaps the kid might just have been frightened in which case the crew over reacted?

Then take the child off of the airplane, calm her down, and get rebooked on a later flight. AirTran nor any other airline should have to incur extra costs (delays, connections, etc.) and inconvenience to other pax because a child is uncontrollable. Fifteen minutes past departure time (IF indeed no other type of delay was occurring) is more than enough time to be allowed. AirTran went way beyond what was absolutely necessary to accommodate this family. That's just my 2 cents worth of opinion. (Also, this is not a flame to BCAL)
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
So get off your high-horse and accept the fact that if parents can't discipline their kids YOU get to put up with brats.

What utter bs. Parents can discipline their children, but none do.

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:49 am

it may very well be difficult to control a child, but it shouldn't be at the expense of a plane load full of people. what seemed dumb to me is the reaction of the parents, that they would never fly airtran again. they got reimbursed for the flight and got 3 more free tickets and they're still complaining? such selfishness.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:49 am

At least the Kuleszas are making some bad press for AirTran that the company well deserves. AirTran isn't exactly the model of customer service in the industry.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:49 am

Well since they won't ever be flying Air Tran again, could I have their free tickets?  Smile
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:51 am

I will bet there were over 100 passengers who were glad to see the child (and it's parents) depart the aircraft a little early in the trip. Have you ever spent a couple of hours sitting near a screaming child in a commercial aircraft? It's not pleasant!

As for Air Tran giving such a generous compensation, that is just plain good Public Relations. Sure, maybe one of the family members says they "will never fly Air Tran again"... but I doubt you will see them rip up the free tickets, either.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 22):
What utter bs. Parents can discipline their children, but none do.

Pray tell how? You can't yell at your child in public (verbal abuse). You can't forcibly put them in their seat (physical abuse). You can't very well give a 3 year old a time out on a commercial jet liner. So what do you do?

Are you even aware how strict child 'protection' laws are these days?
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 12):
Ok folks, you need to STOP blaming the parents (at least for the behaviour at the time). Have you tried raising a child today. If you grab them the wrong way in public you can get arrested now and have your child taken away.

What a crock of shit. If you raise the child properly ALL the time then the behaviour would be controllable ALL the time. Then there is no need to worry about your "parenting skills" being questioned in public.

To quote the mother from the article: "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything."

BUT "The flight was already delayed 15 minutes".

Sorry we couldn't give you all the time you needed to cocoon your little monster and apologies that all the other passengers weren't understanding enough to allow your mollycoddling to take effect.

The airline did the right thing. Now do it more often with everyone who doesn't behave.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:56 am

Why do political leanings and parenting shortfalls always come up in these threads?

Why is it that child-haters are the most vocal and inflexible on these threads?

Parents had an intractable situation (I've been there). They might have been able to regain control after some minutes, but not for certain, and at the expense of a later departure for all. As was said, sometimes we have to admit, "today is not a good day to fly". Airtran made a noble offer, the parents have a right to be disappointed, but have to realize the bigger picture. On the other hand, sometimes the schedule is unforgiving -- missing a flight means totally missing a vacation, or a wedding or funeral, or a weekend with grandma. Tough call, particularly when there are equally immature adults (the other passengers, or sometimes A.net members) willing to be equally intolerant.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to reply. Most people here have their mindsets firmly in place. (See you on my next flight!)

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 28):
What a crock of shit. If you raise the child properly ALL the time then the behaviour would be controllable ALL the time. Then there is no need to worry about your "parenting skills" being questioned in public.

I'm guessing by your flag you don't live in North America. A good friend of mine had her child taken from her (albeit it very briefly) because she had bruises from a fall that I witnessed when we were all at the park. But a concerned teacher (I think it was a teacher) had children's aid involved the next school day.

In North America you can't even blink at your kids anymore or you can get in SERIOUS trouble. And kids these days know it, and abuse that fact. Back in the old days if your kid wouldn't behave, you'd grab 'em by the scruff of their neck, SIT them in the seat, buckle them in and tell them to shut up. If you tried that now you would be in jail.

Also you'll note in my edit to that post that I agree Airtran did the right thing by removing the family from the plane so they could depart. I have no problems with what Airtran did. I'm just trying to point out to all of you that's it's not as cut and dry as you seem to have convinced yourself it is.

[Edited 2007-01-23 20:00:41]
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 30):
But a concerned teacher (I think it was a teacher) had children's aid involved the next school day.

According to my wife, a teacher, this is because certain physical marks must automatically be reported for investigation, no matter what. Otherwise, teachers could lose their jobs.

I know, it sucks; I don't like it either. Some parents are trying to build Nerfworld. The same helicopter parents who call up post-college job interviewers on their child's behalf.

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Corsair2 (Reply 24):
At least the Kuleszas are making some bad press for AirTran that the company well deserves. AirTran isn't exactly the model of customer service in the industry.

I dont see it as bad press. Most people with any sense will basically see this as an out of control kid that the parents could not adequatly control. So if this is bad press for anyone it would be for the Kuleszas, making them look like ineffective parents.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:09 am

Off-topic, but the more and more I read this thread, the less and less I want to have children. It just seems rediculous to bring them into this crazy world anymore.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 31):
The same helicopter parents who call up post-college job interviewers on their child's behalf.

There is no way you can be serious about this; are you?  Wow!
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 31):
According to my wife, a teacher, this is because certain physical marks must automatically be reported for investigation, no matter what. Otherwise, teachers could lose their jobs.

I'm not questioning the teacher, as it was explained similarly at the time (i.e. we always report this sort of thing).. but my point was that it's extremely easy these days to get in trouble with your kids. Hell you don't even have to touch them anymore.

I mean imagine if the parents on this Airtran flight has forcibly secured their daughter in her seat and there had been a social worker in the next row!

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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting HeavyMx1 (Reply 32):
I dont see it as bad press. Most people with any sense will basically see this as an out of control kid that the parents could not adequatly control. So if this is bad press for anyone it would be for the Kuleszas, making them look like ineffective parents.

Most parents have these same kinds of issues with their kids from time to time. That does not mean that these parents should get booted in the rear for it.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:20 am

I am just curious how much it would have cost AirTran to sit there ideling for 5-10 mins while the kid settled down and took here seat? How many people would have missed thier connections from a 25-30 min delay (just a guess).

You have quite a while to calm your child down. If you are not ready by the time the aircraft is ready to push back, you pretty much missed the plane.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Oroka (Reply 36):
I am just curious how much it would have cost AirTran to sit there ideling for 5-10 mins while the kid settled down and took here seat? How many people would have missed thier connections from a 25-30 min delay (just a guess).

More than that. How much is the value of the people's time who were inconvenienced because these parents couldn't control their kids? Why should all the other passengers have to be inconvenienced to accomodate one family?

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 22):
What utter bs. Parents can discipline their children, but none do.

I wonder how much more of this sort of thing we'll be seeing if the California anti-spanking law gets enacted?
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting DSMflyer (Reply 4):
The father said they would never fly AirTran again.

That made airTrans cabin crew's day and probably give headaches to the F.A's of Delta or USAirway.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 20):
Travis if you understood how CRD works at AirTran you'd know that those people got the compensation before they went to the media. Anytime people call 866-AIR-CHAT they will get most anything that they want. We have complained about it numerous times to Jack Smith, and Loral Blinde, but they still give away the farm.

I must've misunderstood. I was under the impression that they didn't contact CRD at all, but rather just went straight to the media when they got home...
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Corsair2 (Reply 35):
Most parents have these same kinds of issues with their kids from time to time. That does not mean that these parents should get booted in the rear for it.

Agreed, but when these things do happen they need to be delt with. A parents inability to control their 3 year old should not affect the other 100+ passengers.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 11):
Agreed: Good for AirTran. That these folks are from liberal, socialistic Massachusetts conjures up a vision of 'victims' and woe-is-me. But there were 112 passengers on that plane, 111 who were settled in their seat & ready to go. I'm sorry that these 'poor parents' will never fly AirTran again. In truth, AirTran is going to have a party on that news...seriously.

Give me a friggin break. You usually say intelligent things. This is not one of them.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 16):
I suspect that refunding the family's air fares is less expensive than a lawsuit.

This family has no basis for a lawsuit. AirTran was more than fair.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 27):
You can't yell at your child in public (verbal abuse).

Yes, you can. smile 

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 27):
You can't forcibly put them in their seat (physical abuse).

Yes, you can. smile 

True Story: I'm pushing my then 3-year-old daughter around the supermart in a cart. She's screaming her fool head off over nothing in particular. A lady starts to follow us around the store, visibly agitated. She grabs my wife by the arm and says "Why don't you pick that poor child up?" My response: "Please mind your own business". Lady finds the manager, who wants nothing to do with the situation. Lady returns to us and declares that she is going to call 9-1-1 and report us for child abuse. I told her to go right ahead and do that. She did. Nothing happened. End of story.

My daughter learned that screaming tantrums don't work. She never did that again. Parenting 101. thumbsup 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Travatl (Reply 18):
If it weren't for the publicity, I highly doubt AirTran would've given the family anything other than protection on the next flight......

What a ridiculous thing to say. Don't you know anything about business. This was probably a pretty nasty situation, and I'm sure the staff tried to do the best they could. Clearly, you're either a DL employee of an apologist.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:49 am

Airtran did the right thing until they "rewarded" them with round trip tickets. All they should have done is rebook them on the next flight once the girl calmed down. If I were her parent I'd be mortified about the whole experience. Toddlers have tantrums but if they pick a moment like that for one and you can't get them under control then they shouldn't be allowed to fly until they've calmed down. It's a safety issue pure and simple.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 30):

Osiris I understand your point and yes I was raised in a way that isn't condoned anymore, as were my entire generation and many before me. If this thread goes too far into child rearing territory it will be dispatched to Non-Av so let me say no more on that point.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Rampart (Reply 29):
Why do political leanings and parenting shortfalls always come up in these threads?

Why is it that child-haters are the most vocal and inflexible on these threads?

Parents had an intractable situation (I've been there). They might have been able to regain control after some minutes, but not for certain, and at the expense of a later departure for all. As was said, sometimes we have to admit, "today is not a good day to fly". Airtran made a noble offer, the parents have a right to be disappointed, but have to realize the bigger picture. On the other hand, sometimes the schedule is unforgiving -- missing a flight means totally missing a vacation, or a wedding or funeral, or a weekend with grandma. Tough call, particularly when there are equally immature adults (the other passengers, or sometimes A.net members) willing to be equally intolerant.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to reply. Most people here have their mindsets firmly in place. (See you on my next flight!)

Thank you for that voice of reason. I'm not the biggest kid fan, but I am a business person. I'm constantly amazed at how many people on this site can make an issue so black and white, especially not having been there.
 
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 33):
There is no way you can be serious about this; are you?

Dead serious. Some parents would even accompany the children to interviews. If you have access to The Wall Street Journal's web site, search for "helicopter parents," dated May 16, 2006. Here's an excerpt:

Quote:
In interviews with a job candidate last year, Deborah D'Attilio, a recruiting manager in San Francisco for Enterprise Rent-A-Car, was surprised when the young woman brought a companion: Her dad.

[...]

Helicopter parents are going to work. From Vanguard Group and St. Paul Travelers to General Electric and Boeing, managers are getting phone calls from parents asking them to hire their 20-something kids. Candidates are stalling on job offers to consult with their parents. Parents are calling hiring managers to protest pay packages and try to renegotiate, employers say.

[...]

On-topic, I am sort of appalled that Airtran gave in and gave them credit. I think it's enough to give them the chance to take a subsequent flight.
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):
Family couldn't control their toddler and crew kicks them off the flight. Parents claim they weren't given ample time to calm their child down. Thoughts?

Don't understand have traveled with my kids and grand kids and have never had a problem. How could it be so difficulty to get the "brat" to sit in her seat. The parents must allow this child to do whatever it wants and there are no boundaries. The thing is to get the little ones excited about the trip and where they are going and find something where you are going that would really interest them, then you have an agreement that they will behave themselves and that's the cookie. You know the old thing bribery works everytime and with kids it will work. I traveled with my kids and my grandkids from when they were 6 months old and they never gave a problem even at that age
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RE: Family Gets Kicked Off FL Plane Due To Tantrum

Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:04 am

Haha, this is great!!!

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