Actually they are, and so am I, and they only repeated what I said.
|Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 124):|
This is a typical behavior of a group of people in US that is know as the tralier trash. You do not need to be in a trailer to fall into this group. These specific kind of people lack culture, common sense and respect for others.
How detestable! I am appalled at your lack of culture, you should be banned from this forum for comments like that. I cannot believe that you would denigrate the people who dwell in trailer homes by comparing them to self-centered liberals...
Actually, with the exception of the welfare hogs, trailer folk are quite courteous and have far more common sense than I find in the urban jungles...
|Quoting RedChili (Reply 137):|
When reading the article, I get the impression that the flight was 15 minutes delayed for other reasons that had nothing to do with this child, and for that reason the airline chose to throw the family off the airplane as quickly as possible. By doing this, it is actually entirely possible that they actually delayed the plane even further. Telling a family to get off the airplane, arguing with them for a couple of minutes about this decision, waiting for them to gather all their belongings from the overhead bins, and then let them deplane will take several minutes.
Not to mention pulling any checked luggage, which would add another 5-10 minutes on the ground. I agree that removing the pax was not the most expedient course of action. However, as to your other points,...
|Quoting RedChili (Reply 137):|
The AirTran spokeswoman said, "The flight was already delayed 15 minutes and in fairness to the other 112 passengers on the plane, the crew made an operational decision to remove the family." She did not say that the plane was 15 minutes delayed because of the child. If that 15 minute delay had been caused by the child, she would probably have used another wording to make it clear that AirTran had already been patient with them for a long time.
The mother also said, "We weren't giving an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything." Notice that she did not say that "we were not given enough time," but: "We were not given any opportunity." The parents obviously know their own child, and maybe they knew that they could have calmed her down in a couple of minutes?
This article was written by reporters who interviewed the parents, and got the story from their lips. I hate to break it to you, reporters are not in the business of giving unbiased commentary or balanced perspective. That's boring, and doesn't make money for the news agency. The reporters and editors wrote the story in the way that would grab the most attention. If this is the most controversial opinion, I'd say this story has had far more attention than it's worth.
|Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 140):|
Operative word: Business. People pay extra for the peace and quiet of that cabin, especially on long-haul flights. Its just not right to subject other travelers who have paid an astronomical fare to a screaming kid all flight.
Operative word: Business. Not first, not private travelers. These people did not pay astronomical fares, their company paid their fares and they used their FF
miles to upgrade. Your sense that business travelers should ave the world at their feet at the expense of families is just as much a part of the problem here. Business should be at the service of the family, the basic unit of community, not at the expense of it. Unruly and unloved kids come from inattentive business-oriented parents far more than from any political leanings. If I had the money, I would much rather have the spacious seats, IFE, and room for my kids' toy bags in 1st or Biz, where my kids would be much less likely to complain.
|Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 147):|
Children aren't minature adults, and sometimes they just don't get to make choices. That's life.
Oh boy, you mean when I get to be an adult, I'll be able to choose every aspect of my life! That sounds great- I can't wait to grow up! Oh boy oh boy oh boy!
|Quoting Flybynight (Reply 149):|
I really dislike replies like this. Become a parent first before you reply.
Seems to me Air Tran admitted wrong doing by comping their flights AND giving them another set of free tickets.
I am a parent, as are many others here, and we do not appreciate your condescending attitude. As to the airline "admitting wrongdoing", that is way off base and has been addressed ad nauseum
on this thread. The debate is only whether the airline did it for Loss Prevention (preventing a lawsuit or reinforcing their legal position), pure publicity, or whether it was actually motivated by Customer Service.
|Quoting AY104 (Reply 153):|
I've been on flights where small children kick up such a fuss, and the parents just sit idly by and watch or, which is even worse, ignore.
|Quoting Lincoln (Reply 138):|
Growing up my parents never touched me...they also ignored my outbursts when I was very young (lesson: Not the right way to get parent's attention)
Hmmm, the "ignoring" bit is being employed by both sides now. So is ignoring a tantrum good or not?
(don't answer that)
|Quoting MD11Canada (Reply 159):|
I am a new member to Airliners.net, but I have enjoyed the website for about 2 years.
Welcome to the jungle. Why on earth would you jump in to this mess? There's plenty of healthy A vs. B and US vs. EU going on elsewhere!
|Quoting Flybynight (Reply 164):|
There is more to this story, if not the airline wouldn't have paid the family.
Yes, there's more to this story- we only see the parents version. I'd like to see the PNRs.... As I said in my earlier post, the parents chose to argue with the FA
, and that is why they got removed. If they had buckled her in the seat, she may have screamed for a few minutes (or maybe the entire flight), but the family would have flown. There is no excuse for the parents arguing with the FA
, even if she may have been rude (which is implied, I'm surprised nobody noticed). Again, we need both sides to know what really happened, I suspect it is a set of parents who thought the A319 was no different than a restaurant, and thought they had the liberty to let their 3-year old do what she wanted. Of course the press and the lawsuit are the only tools these parents have to overcome their mistake.
|Quoting Gasman (Reply 169):|
My point is, and there is plenty of evidence to support this, is that early behaviour patterns are determined by "nature" and not "nurture". Parenting techniques are crucial, but they will not transform an impossible child into a predictably obedient angel.
Good point, but I might refine your wording (if I may)- behavior patterns are determined by nature AND
nurture. Plenty of good-natured kids have been born into neglect and suffered from it. But no, parenting techniques will not produce the same results in different children.