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UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:15 pm

Let's make a list of some of the short lived/ odd routes from the US-Europe.

BOS-FRA (US)
CLT-LGW (PI)
OAK-BRU (PE)
DTW-LGW (DL)
MIA-LGW (EA)
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:20 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
BOS-FRA (US)

What is so weird about that? BOS-FRA is a solid market and US is strong at BOS

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
CLT-LGW (PI)

Definately not strange, given that it is still operated today by PI's corporate successor

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
OAK-BRU (PE)

That is weird

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
DTW-LGW (DL)

I take it you mean the carrier here is weird

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
MIA-LGW (EA)

What is weird about that at all? EA was a hub carrier at MIA and didn't have LHR rights.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:26 pm

Please note I said odd or short lived!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
What is so weird about that? BOS-FRA is a solid market and US is strong at BOS

Yes, a solid market, but short lived for US.


Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Definately not strange, given that it is still operated today by PI's corporate successor

More groundbreaking than odd, as it was a huge step forward for PI to fly the 767. Also fairly short lived.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I take it you mean the carrier here is weird

Inherrited from PA. Yes, odd that DL flew the route at all.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
What is weird about that at all? EA was a hub carrier at MIA and didn't have LHR rights.

Again, odd/ groundbreaking/ short lived. EA was a newbie in the Europe market.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:01 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 2):
More groundbreaking than odd, as it was a huge step forward for PI to fly the 767. Also fairly short lived.

Again, how can it have been short lived? That route still flies today.

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 2):
groundbreaking

Wasn't one of your original criteria.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:02 pm

UA had 722 service on LHR-ATH for a while in the 90's. Didn't work out against BA's L-1011's and 767's at the time.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
OAK-BRU (PE)

I'm confused. This wasn't a nonstop flight, I'm not even sure it was the same flight number all the way through (PE also served LGW). You'd have to allow every single originating tag to list this one.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:21 pm

Not an odd, but now its certainly a rarity AA and UA EWR-LHR from the early 90s through 2003.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:37 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 4):
UA had 722 service on LHR-ATH for a while in the 90's.

OK, now I know why I saw a UA 727 in a vidéo of CDG back in the old days (check youtube)...so it could have been LHR CDG ? This 727 had the old old UA colors with the cheatline (and LH that was on the video also still had the cheatline, CX in green colors etc. very interesting).
Did UA have a bunch of 727s going to LHR from euorpean cities to connect to their flights to the US ?
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:41 pm

Quoting Parisien (Reply 7):
OK, now I know why I saw a UA 727 in a vidéo of CDG back in the old days (check youtube)...so it could have been LHR CDG ? This 727 had the old old UA colors with the cheatline (and LH that was on the video also still had the cheatline, CX in green colors etc. very interesting).
Did UA have a bunch of 727s going to LHR from euorpean cities to connect to their flights to the US ?

Didn't UA fly CDG-ATH on the 727's.
They certainly had 727's at LHR offering connecting flights out of LHR to FRA and BRU amongst others but the were evevntually ditched, especially when the Star Alliance came online.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Parisien (Reply 7):
Did UA have a bunch of 727s going to LHR from euorpean cities to connect to their flights to the US ?

Yup, it was due to the purchase of PA's Heathrow routes. UA had a very deluxe First/Business section up front for a narrowbody, with comfy sheepskin covered seats.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:36 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
I'm confused. This wasn't a nonstop flight, I'm not even sure it was the same flight number all the way through (PE also served LGW). You'd have to allow every single originating tag to list this one.

I think they actually did have a non-stop OAK-BRU flight for a short time.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:59 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
I think they actually did have a non-stop OAK-BRU flight for a short time.

I did go and look this up, and it's on their route map in November 1985:

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...Express%20Compressed/PEmap8511.jpg

I have a hard time believing they actually flew the route, but could be wrong. I was living in Europe then so I wasn't paying much attention to what was going on in the Bay Area, but somewhere around that time they opened up SFO for the nonstops to EWR, leaving nothing at OAK to fly the route except either a dedicated 747, or interchanging with the one from EWR. When I left for Europe in Sept '85 from SFO, I don't recall the PE nonstop OAK-BRU even being an option. I'd be interested to know myself, it's piqued my interest now.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:07 pm

I believe the shot at OAK-BRU came toward the tail end of PE's existance. I didn't actually know that they ever did SFO-EWR, and that map doesn't really help as it blends SFO and BRU
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
I didn't actually know that they ever did SFO-EWR, and that map doesn't really help as it blends SFO and BRU

In their last timetable there's no OAK service at all, just SFO.

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...Express%20Compressed/PEmap8110.jpg
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:22 pm

DL MIA-LGW - the flight operated LGW-MIA-MCO

In addition, the previously noted LGW-DTW-CLE
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
In their last timetable there's no OAK service at all, just SFO.

Interesting. I was lucky enough to fly PE and got both 741 and 731 rides to boot.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:06 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
Let's make a list of some of the short lived/ odd routes from the US-Europe.

BOS-FRA (US)

if you call that odd, you should include NW BOS-FRA (DC10) in your list. Got an even better one - BOS-BRU-FRA on BN with a 747. Been on both myself.

FRA-AMS-MIA on National would qualify as well.

There was a thread about NW recently, they had a couple of odd routings to Europe, same goes for BN.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:44 pm

There's one about to start...

RZE (Rzeszow, Poland) - New York in the summer...

It was on the forum last year as a non-starter, an airport with only 3 flights a day (1 Ryanair to London and 2 Lot to Warsaw) now it's being advertised on the streets of Rzeszow as a direct flight to New York !
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:07 am

One oddball route I remember was in the early 80's, BCal changed the LGW-STL-LGW operation to an LGW-ATL-STL-ATL-LGW routing. Rather out of the way for an STL-LGW flight.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:16 am

The SFO-BRU was indeed a PE route. It was a six day trip for their ops groups flying it, if I remember correctly.

CO did MIA-LGW for a while too. It was a six day trip as well. CO also had EWR-VCE, EWR-BCN and EWR-ATH one summer, a few years back, as charters for Princess Cruises. Great layovers. They were on the DC-10.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 19):
The SFO-BRU was indeed a PE route. It was a six day trip for their ops groups flying it, if I remember correctly.

Okay, here it is, it was SFO-BRU not OAK-BRU nonstop. No wonder I couldn't find it earlier.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1074935-1,00.html

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:42 am

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
"People's biggest bargain of all is a nonstop flight from San Francisco to Brussels for $99."



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
Okay, here it is, it was SFO-BRU not OAK-BRU nonstop. No wonder I couldn't find it earlier.

You guys sure it was SFO-BRU? They may well have sold OAK as San Francisco.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:14 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
You guys sure it was SFO-BRU?

Yes, I believe it was once or twice a week, remember two PE's 747 parked at the international gate at the same time around 4pm, one to BRU the other to EWR. A Brussels carrier (Citybird? well they were british racing green) attempted OAK-BRU for awhile.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
You guys sure it was SFO-BRU? They may well have sold OAK as San Francisco.

Yes, it was SFO. It's like Ryanair selling Hahn as Frankfurt. Same reasoning applies. Even back then.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):

You guys sure it was SFO-BRU? They may well have sold OAK as San Francisco.

Well, you see, this is why I wonder whether the route ever took off:

9/19/84:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...s%2fA%2fAirlines%20and%20Airplanes

"People Express Airlines Inc. said it would begin service between Newark and the Oakland International Airport on Sept. 28 with one round-trip flight daily."

8/1/85:

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...s%2fA%2fAirlines%20and%20Airplanes


"People Express Airlines Inc. said yesterday that it planned to begin flights between Newark and Brussels in early September with an introductory fare of $99. The low-cost carrier said that it would begin one Boeing 747 flight a day after details are worked out with the Belgian aviation authorities."

12/3/85:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...s%2fA%2fAirlines%20and%20Airplanes

"In addition, the airline said that all of its flights between Newark and San Francisco would cost $99, instead of the previous $149 fare at peak hours and $99 during off-peak hours."

The Time article wasn't dated, but PE began service to OAK 9/28/84, began service EWR-BRU in September '85, and by December '85 had moved their OAK-EWR flights to SFO-EWR. The route map I linked to above was from November '85, so it would have been SFO they served BRU from, if indeed that flight ever got off the ground. The only references to it I can find are it being on the route map and the $99 fare offered. It's sort of like the Moonlight flight on EA from LAX-ORD people quote as having been operated. I have it in one of my old EA timetables, but I was flying that route a lot at that time, and was never able to book a ticket on it. As far as I know, that EA flight never flew. Could be the same situation here, but if EWRCabincrew says it flew, I'll take his word that it did, and any reliable information says it was SFO-BRU, not OAK-BRU.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:09 am

From MAN:

AA to MIA, DFW
BR (as in BCal!) to JFK
BA to ORD (via YUL), LAX
BD to IAD

And some oddballs:
SN to JFK (routing BRU-MAN-(SNN)-JFK)
LH to ORD (routing: HAM-DUS-MAN-SNN-YUL-ORD)

And the oddball+short-lived
BG to JFK (think they did a couple of services on DAC-DXB-MAN-JFK before altering it to being a DAC-DXB-LHR-MAN service, and now operating as DAC-FCO-MAN)
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:19 am

Speaking of OAK, what about that flight to the Azores? What was it? And remember the Corsair route to Paris from OAK? Not sure if it was to ORY or CDG. Here's a pic: https://www.airliners.net/open.file/0063371/M I think they even did this route with a 747-SP at one point! I also believe there was a Martinair flight to AMS from OAK a few years back. Maybe some of you know the details...

PS: Please correct the title of this topic -- it looks like you're referring to United routes.

[Edited 2007-01-30 00:22:36]
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:25 am

Lufthansa flew MIA-HAM for a short time in the mid-1990s, around 1994, IIRC. 2x weekly with an A310.

Also, in the late 1980s until the Gulf War, Royal Jordanian flew MIA-VIE-AMM.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:48 am

DL had LGW-BOS in the Summer of 2001. Flight continued on to LAX. I believe it was DL60/61.
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:06 am

Ahh, you know what we've forgotten, The Big Red W flying ANC-LGW and SLC-LGW on DC-10 Spaceships. ANC began in Jan '81, SLC began Apr '81, and both routes were cancelled within 18 months.

Additionally, World flew BWI-LGW with through service and connections from the west, CO flew DEN (Stapleton)-LGW, and I'd have to look them up, but I believe National flew from MSY nonstop to a few destinations in Europe. There was a thread about their former European routes here in the past year or so.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Lufthansa flew MIA-HAM for a short time in the mid-1990s, around 1994, IIRC.

So did LT, but that was in the late 80's. I know because I took MIA-HAM in 1989. The flight was with a TriStar 500.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 25):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):

You guys sure it was SFO-BRU? They may well have sold OAK as San Francisco.

Well, you see, this is why I wonder whether the route ever took off:

Actually it makes perfect sense if you understand the logic of why they started it in the first place.

PE was flying EWR-OAK but only because SFO didn't have any gates available for PE to use. Unless of course you had an international flight, in which case you could use the International Terminal and get SFO access. So PE searched for a flight that they could get route authority on to Europe that would allow them gate space at SFO for their EWR flights. BRU was it. Remember back in the early 80's it was still quite tough to get route authority to most European Airports, with the exception of BRU who was willing to take anyone.

Had it not been for the SFO gate issue, PE would never have flown the route.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Shane (Reply 27):
Speaking of OAK, what about that flight to the Azores? What was it? And remember the Corsair route to Paris from OAK? Not sure if it was to ORY or CDG

Corsair also went to PPT from OAK.

Quoting Shane (Reply 27):
Speaking of OAK, what about that flight to the Azores?

A fair number of natives living in Half Moon Bay, Stockton, Tracy, Hayward so a once a week flight in the summer made sense. Is SATA returning this year?
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:26 am

UTA nonstops from EWR to Marseille, Nice, Lyon, Bordeaux, Nantes, Tolouse.

DL nonstop EWR-FRA

TWA nonstop EWR-CDG

TWA BWI-LGW

TWA PHL-LHR

DL MCO-FRA

BA LGW-SJU

IB MAD-SJU

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:03 am

Considering DL never had a really large presence at SFO, their SFO-FRA route was a little Odd.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 34):
IB MAD-SJU

Just to note, Iberia still flies Madrid-San Juan.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
CO flew DEN (Stapleton)-LGW,

. CO flew this route for a number of years. It started in June of 87.

Actually, the route operated to the Denver new airport a few times before flight #34 got shifted to IAH for another frequency there.

I remember quite clearly (I was there!), the final scheduled flight from the old Stapleton was CO flight 34 to LGW. The airport was closed that night after that flight departed. Then the next day the flight operated back to DEN and landing into the new airport.

CO operated flight 34 a few times after that (once weekly) into the new Denver airport until they decided to move it to IAH.

But before CO operated the route, at one time, I thought Western operated the route (I could be wrong). I also remember something vaguely about some obscure airline also operating too... Arrow Air? Maybe?
 
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:36 am

Not short lived or odd as far as routing goes, but I always found it interesting that when LH and AA codeshared in the nineties, AA flew from ORD to DUS, yet after the formation of the Star Alliance and LH and UA becoming partners, UA replaced AA on this route ....  scratchchin 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting Parisien (Reply 7):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 4):
UA had 722 service on LHR-ATH for a while in the 90's.

OK, now I know why I saw a UA 727 in a vidéo of CDG back in the old days (check youtube)...so it could have been LHR CDG ? This 727 had the old old UA colors with the cheatline (and LH that was on the video also still had the cheatline, CX in green colors etc. very interesting).
Did UA have a bunch of 727s going to LHR from euorpean cities to connect to their flights to the US ?



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8):
Didn't UA fly CDG-ATH on the 727's.
They certainly had 727's at LHR offering connecting flights out of LHR to FRA and BRU amongst others but the were evevntually ditched, especially when the Star Alliance came online.

The UA 722 service to ATH was from CDG, not LHR. The aircraft that operated CDG-ATH-CDG also operated a CDG-GVA-CDG roundtrip (without 5th freedom rights) to carry online connections. PA (and DL for a while after they took over PA's Europe routes except LHR) also had 727s and 737s based in Europe to operate feeder sectors to/from their hubs in the days before the alliances which made such services inefficient and redundant. TW did some of that also.

A few photos from that period: UA 722 at GVA 1994, DL 722 at BUD 1993, TW 721 at CDG 1991, PA 722 at GVA 1985 and PA 732 at ZRH 1984.


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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:54 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
Additionally, World flew BWI-LGW with through service and connections from the west, CO flew DEN (Stapleton)-LGW, and I'd have to look them up, but I believe National flew from MSY nonstop to a few destinations in Europe. There was a thread about their former European routes here in the past year or so.



Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 37):
. CO flew this route for a number of years. It started in June of 87.

Actually, the route operated to the Denver new airport a few times before flight #34 got shifted to IAH for another frequency there.

I remember quite clearly (I was there!), the final scheduled flight from the old Stapleton was CO flight 34 to LGW. The airport was closed that night after that flight departed. Then the next day the flight operated back to DEN and landing into the new airport.

I don't understand why this is an "odd" routing, as per the threads topic. Hub flight back to hub airport doesn't seem that odd to me.

CO34 still operates out of Denver to London. But now its via IAH and there is a change of plane in Houston.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:01 pm

Let's not forget the days when (West) German carriers were banned from flying in and out of Berlin. There was lots of feeder service from the major cities to TXL and/or THF, especially by PA.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:03 pm

Didn't ATA fly from New York to Riga for a few months? I remember reading that the founder/CEO of the airline wanted to fly to Riga because that is where he was born, or something on those lines.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:16 pm

What about LTU flying from RSW-DUS...pretty odd to me, even if it is popular.

Same with IAH-LAD
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 43):
What about LTU flying from RSW-DUS...pretty odd to me, even if it is popular.

They also fly Ft. Myers-Munich. Southwest Florida actually has a very large German community, both year-round and seasonal.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 43):

Same with IAH-LAD

Oil traffic. The route makes perfect sense, though it is only flown on a charter basis, no scheduled flights.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 39):
The UA 722 service to ATH was from CDG, not LHR. The aircraft that operated CDG-ATH-CDG also operated a CDG-GVA-CDG roundtrip (without 5th freedom rights) to carry online connections.

I have this Avion Video from 1993 or so, showing BOTH UA and DL 727's arriving into ATH. Also shows a then-new DL 763ER and A310.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 39):
TW did some of that also

Mainly from CDG correct?
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
They also fly Ft. Myers-Munich. Southwest Florida actually has a very large German community, both year-round and seasonal.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
Oil traffic. The route makes perfect sense, though it is only flown on a charter basis, no scheduled flights.

Oh I know they make perfect sense, and I know they make a ton of money...but come on, they're still pretty odd.

Southwest Florida definitely does have a huge German population, and German tourists. I travel to Sanibel/Captiva every couple years, and am always amazed how far I can get just using my German, not even a peep of English. Even just before crossing on to Sanibel from the mainland, there is a sign in German.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 45):
Mainly from CDG correct?

They certainly did, and considered CDG a hub. I know they had a few, and stress few, add on flights from London to FRA and BRU or AMS IIRC. I think they might of had a 727 or 2 at LHR, but mainly used the heavys out of there.

I remember all the TW 727 at CDG waiting to go to places like ZRH, GVA etc...
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8):
Didn't UA fly CDG-ATH on the 727's.
They certainly had 727's at LHR offering connecting flights out of LHR to FRA and BRU amongst others but the were evevntually ditched, especially when the Star Alliance came online.

That's correct. UA served both ATH and GVA from CDG not from LHR. I am unsure of GVA but, I know that ATH lasted until at least 1994, if not, 1995. In the end, it was simply too costly to base 727's at CDG to operate just 2 daily roundtrips.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:48 pm

LTU had a flight from PHX-DUS and LH from PHX-FRA. Also BA's SAN-PHX-LGW and SAN-LGW flights.
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