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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 49):
SAN-LGW flights.

Has SAN ever had another flight to Europe aside from BA to London? I've heard some chit-chat about the 787 making SAN a more likely city for nonstops to Europa once those are up & running. How about a SAN-FRA route on LH (and yes, I know they haven't ordered any yet)?
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:13 pm

TK flew MIA-IST in the early 2000s. Think it lasted less than a year.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:38 pm

Martinair used to operate OAK-AMS,what about the old AA flight from JFK-Lyon,france???Didnt NW also have a flight to Oslo at one time from Newyork???
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:42 pm

The DTW-LGW flight on Delta was inherited when DL bought Pan Am's Atlantic system. I believe they ran with the A-310's; but shut it down subsequently.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:28 pm

Quoting Airzim (Reply 32):
PE was flying EWR-OAK but only because SFO didn't have any gates available for PE to use. Unless of course you had an international flight, in which case you could use the International Terminal and get SFO access.

Interesting bit of trivia. I didn't realize gate space was so tight at SFO at the time. Although OAK had international facilities that could handle a 747 at the time as well. PE never used jetbridges, though, even at LAX they would park the 747 away from the terminal at T-2 (I believe it was), and you'd walk up the stairs to the plane.

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 37):

Actually, the route operated to the Denver new airport a few times before flight #34 got shifted to IAH for another frequency there.

I remember quite clearly (I was there!), the final scheduled flight from the old Stapleton was CO flight 34 to LGW. The airport was closed that night after that flight departed. Then the next day the flight operated back to DEN and landing into the new airport.

Interesting, I didn't realize it had ever flown into the new DEN. I used to take the flight all the time, and a few days a week it would originate at LAX with the same plane.

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 40):
I don't understand why this is an "odd" routing, as per the threads topic. Hub flight back to hub airport doesn't seem that odd to me.

In my mind it's always fallen into the "odd" category because at LGW you could pick up Transavia's scheduled service to AMS, that would operate as CO34/35. CO called it a codeshare, even though it acted like an interline.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:32 pm

How about IAH-MAN on PK? In abeyance now, but active for at least a couple of recent years.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:13 pm

TWA
Boston to Santa Maria Azores.

Aeroflot
Moscow-Shannon-Gander-Havana

Lufthansa
Los Angeles-Amsterdam
Anchorage-Copenhagen

UTA
SFO-Paris

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
BOS-FRA (US)

Not odd at all, at least I think so, BOS is strong in bussiness and FRA too so it was probably offered for bussiness travelers

Quoting Zrs70 (Thread starter):
MIA-LGW (EA)

This one doesnt seem odd too.


The other ones maybe yes. But im like wikipedia not a 100% reliable lol Big grin

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:24 pm

I believe that there was once CLE-Yugoslavia service on whatever the airline was at the in the 1980's.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:26 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 56):
TWA
Boston to Santa Maria Azores.

That flight actually alternated with Terceira. Near the end of the service the Tuesday flight stopped in Terceira, with the Thursday flight stopping in Santa Maria. It then flew on to Lisbon, Madrid, Rome and Athens, same plane 707 service the entire way.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:29 pm

Good to hear that my memory of PE doing the Brussels route from SFO isn't faulty- I swear I have a clipping of the advertisement announcing the route (and the switch to SFO for the EWR route as well) from the San Francisco Chronicle in a box somewhere.... In the middle of a move right now- maybe it'll turn up at some point!

How long did UA fly DUS-ORD? Flew it one time, and got bumped to Business Class, as coach was full. I know it disappeared after 9/11, but I don't know for how long they flew it.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:50 pm

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 51):
TK flew MIA-IST in the early 2000s. Think it lasted less than a year.

Last about two years, ended after 9.11. Not that odd because Miami has a large Turkish community, but yet another example of how ethnic traffic doesn't make a route profitable, even though it will fill the planes.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:52 pm

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 58):
I believe that there was once CLE-Yugoslavia service on whatever the airline was at the in the 1980's.

Maybe CO could toss a 757 on this route one day?
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:43 pm

PA, then DL 727's flying LED-WAW-FRA and WAW-PRG-FRA to connect with intercontinental flights out of their FRA hub.

Later on WAW-TXL on DL's A310. You could actually fly the route, even if the flight was continuing to JFK..

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:52 pm

Summer 1992 TWA flew JFK-Seville Spain, it was because of the World Expo being held in that City that year.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Hsw3rd (Reply 53):
The DTW-LGW flight on Delta was inherited when DL bought Pan Am's Atlantic system. I believe they ran with the A-310's; but shut it down subsequently

DL flew it for a while after inheriting it from PA and then sold the rights to NW for a nominal sum.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:18 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 56):
Coming up

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Oh yeah! That is sure an odd one, if it's still going to happen. I'd love to check out Greenland...my grandfather was actually stationed there in WW2
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:20 am

LTU DUS-DAB-MIA.

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
What is so weird about that? BOS-FRA is a solid market and US is strong at BOS

If you actually saw the T100 LF's youd think it was wierd.



How about IAH-MSY-CDG on National Airlines back about 1972?

Hey they speak French in France and Louisana has vestiges of French culture, there must be a market there right???? huh????
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Shanderawx (Reply 55):
How about IAH-MAN on PK?

The route was more about ISB/LHE-IAH rather the MAN-IAH bit (they inititally did not utilise their limited 5th freedom rights, but must have used them as passenger numbers are recorded against the sector!

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Forgot that BA also operated a MCO service from MAN and another "oddball" was EI operating 5 weekly MAN-SNN-JFK in winter 1994.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting Hsw3rd (Reply 53):
The DTW-LGW flight on Delta was inherited when DL bought Pan Am's Atlantic system. I believe they ran with the A-310's; but shut it down subsequently.

DL also flew L-1011s on this route.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 68):
How about IAH-MSY-CDG on National Airlines back about 1972?



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
FRA-AMS-MIA on National would qualify as well.

The most unusual National Airlines route to Europe was JFK-AMS. The route started in Dec 1978, after PA dropped AMS. I don't know whether the route lasted until the PA/NA merger.

NA also served BRU and ZRH from Florida; I don't remember the exact routings.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:36 am

What about Western's short-lived "Londoner" flights in the early 1980s? They flew Denver-London nonstop and Honolulu-Anchorage-London on DC-10s.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting ORD (Reply 71):
What about Western's short-lived "Londoner" flights in the early 1980s? They flew Denver-London nonstop and Honolulu-Anchorage-London on DC-10s.

41 posts ago

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
Ahh, you know what we've forgotten, The Big Red W flying ANC-LGW and SLC-LGW on DC-10 Spaceships. ANC began in Jan '81, SLC began Apr '81, and both routes were cancelled within 18 months.

Additionally, World flew BWI-LGW with through service and connections from the west, CO flew DEN (Stapleton)-LGW
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:03 am

Also forgot about Air Florida's European flying. Miami to London and the like.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:10 am

Can we include cargo routes? NW did operate 2 weekly 747F service into MAN from 1979 to 1981 (don't know the exact routing though)
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 72):
SLC began Apr '81, and both routes were cancelled within 18 months.

It was actually SLC-DEN-LGW...
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:30 am

I think Braniff flew BOS-Europe around 1979
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting Hsw3rd (Reply 53):
The DTW-LGW flight on Delta was inherited when DL bought Pan Am's Atlantic system. I believe they ran with the A-310's; but shut it down subsequently.

The authority was purchased by NW. It was interesting, because it was originally DTW-LHR on Pan Am, but was not included in the sale of LHR authority to UA.

Never did understand why it was not part of the deal.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 76):
think Braniff flew BOS-Europe around 1979

Yes they did. When PA abandoned many of its BOS Europe routes, BN took them over.

Also, SN used to fly DTW-BRU I believe in the '80s.
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:37 am

1989, when American started flying to BRU, they flew ORD/JFK-BRU and continuing service to Germany, Hamburg or Dusseldorf, one of those two cities.

Late 1991/early 1992: the daily JFK-BRU flight was flown with the B747-SP and the daily ORD-BRU flight was flown with the DC-10-30.

1993: American had a nonstop flight DFW-BRU (I'm not talking about the codeshare with Sabena, they have done it on their own) during the summer, but it didn't last long.

2000: Sabena flew BRU-IAD and BRU-DFW.

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:45 am

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimyvrroutemap/sets/

Hopefully this gives more idea about the odd routes.....
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:45 am

Since were delving into other airlines wacky service, how about AeroMeixco's MD-87 service from GDL to SLC? How long did that last? Or Air Canada's botched CRJ-900 service from YYZ to SLC? Or the god-awful airline Winair from LGB?
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 80):
Or Air Canada's botched CRJ-900 service from YYZ to SLC?

One flight I have been on that I consider kind of weird is MCI-YYZ
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:39 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 23):
A Brussels carrier (Citybird? well they were british racing green) attempted OAK-BRU for awhile.

MD-11 operated that service for 1 or 2 seasons IIRC for Citybird

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 70):
EI operating 5 weekly MAN-SNN-JFK in winter 1994.

Pre-9/11 there was a JFK-SNN-BFS that subsequently got canned

and then there was the 1 season-long BA TriStar service LGW-MSY-MEX and back in the 80s (sorry can't remember what year...)
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 82):
and then there was the 1 season-long BA TriStar service LGW-MSY-MEX and back in the 80s (sorry can't remember what year...)

How about LGW-IAH or LGW-LAX on BCal?
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 83):
How about LGW-IAH or LGW-LAX on BCal?

for that matter didn't BD operate a 707 from the UK-USA for 1 or 2 years during the early 1970s, pre-fuel crisis?!
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:20 pm

Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 84):
for that matter didn't BD operate a 707 from the UK-USA for 1 or 2 years during the early 1970s, pre-fuel crisis?!

I think BMI did...if not solely on a charter basis.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:22 pm

SFO-BRU PE was started because SFO would not give us access to the airport unless we had an international flight. The flight operated one day a week and we had very high loads. We didn't have any cargo rev. due to the high pax loads. The flight crews hated it because sometimes the flight was over 12 hours long on the westbound leg. Those were the days
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 77):
Also, SN used to fly DTW-BRU I believe in the '80s.

This route started in April, 1980, with 747s and DC-10s. By the mid-80s, SN switched it to a change of gauge service, with a First Air 727 flying DTW-YMX, connecting to SN YMX-BRU. I think the route was dropped completely by 1988/1989.

Don't forget FI's DTW-LUX flights, which began in 1985, and lasted a year or two!

Going further back, AZ flew DTW-FCO via JFK, PHL, or BOS. The route began in July, 1970. It was one of the first casualties of the 1973 energy crisis; AZ dropped DTW in March, 1974.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 87):
Going further back, AZ flew DTW-FCO via JFK, PHL

AZ also flew a Cargo trip to DTW just for the Cadillac Allanté!

"The chassis of the Allanté was made in Detroit, then was loaded onto specially equipped Boeing 747s and shipped to Italy where the body (which was designed by Pininfarina of Ferrari fame) was mounted to the chassis. Afterwards, the cars were loaded back on the jetliners and shipped back to the Detroit/Hamtramck Assembly plant in Michigan for completion. This led to a few interesting nicknames, such as "The Flying Italian Cadillac" and "the world's longest assembly line."

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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 75):
It was actually SLC-DEN-LGW...

Actually, upon researching this thoroughly, the two routes were HNL-ANC-LGW, and LAS-DEN-LGW. I had always had in my mind SLC just due to the hub, probably, but the timetables indicate otherwise.

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...stern%20Compressed/WAcover8104.jpg

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...Western%20Compressed/WAmap8104.jpg
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 89):
Actually, upon researching this thoroughly, the two routes were HNL-ANC-LGW, and LAS-DEN-LGW. I had always had in my mind SLC just due to the hub, probably, but the timetables indicate otherwise.

London service was initiated and dropped before the hub came around. After the flights were dropped,. so were the DC-10 "Spaceship" titles. Also, I believe the DC-10-30 were either sold or leased out.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:31 pm

Odd cargo flights include Huntsville - Luxembourg.

Quote:
From HSV, "We [fly] six times per week out of Huntsville," says James Beck, Panalpina's HSV hub chief. Leased Atlas and Cargolux 747-400 freighters fly to Prestwick, Scotland or Luxembourg-and onward to Dubai or Hong Kong. Luxembourg is served six times per week. Prestwick three times; and Dubai and Hong Kong twice each.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:13 pm

Let us not forget Western's HNL-ANC-LON (I don't recall if it was LHR or LGW) in the early '80s! DC-10 Equipment.
 
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 88):

AZ also flew a Cargo trip to DTW just for the Cadillac Allanté!

yes, the Italian airport was TRN

There are a lot of odd carho flights, Saudia f.i. has one IAH-OOS.

Few of those are scheduled. An intersting routing is FI 768 - YHZ-KEF-HUY-LGG

Or ILN-EMA operated by LH fpr DHL....
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RE: UA-Europe Odd Routes Through The Years

Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 92):
Let us not forget Western's HNL-ANC-LON (I don't recall if it was LHR or LGW) in the early '80s! DC-10 Equipment.

Please see replies 30, 71, 89, and 90 among others.

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