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Ahlan! Egyptian Aviation Thread + EgyptAir S07 Schedule

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:16 am

So what’s the latest in Egyptian aviation I hear you say. Well here’s a snippet…



EgyptAir - National Carrier


EgyptAir ‘Diamond’ Jubilee

EgyptAir celebrates its 75th Anniversary this year. The airline was established on the 7th May 1932 and became the 7th carrier in the world.


EgyptAir Fleet

Currently stands at 40 aircraft:
  • B737-500: 3
  • B737-800: 2
  • B777-200ER: 5
  • A320-200: 12
  • A321-100: 4
  • A330-200: 7
  • A340-200: 3
  • A300-600F: 2
  • A300B4-203F: 2

Aircraft Deliveries: 2 B738s will arrive this year, 2 in 2008 and the last 6 in 2009.


EgyptAir Destinations

Total of 66 destinations:
  • Egypt-Domestic (9): CAI, SSH, HRG, LXR, ASW, ABS, ATZ, ALY, MUH
  • Europe (19): LHR, ORY, FRA, MUC, DUS, SXF, AMS, BRU, GVA, MAD, BCN, FCO, MXP, BUD, VIE, DME, ATH, IST, LCA
  • Middle East (17): JED, RUH, DMM, MED, KWI, DOH, BAH, DXB, AUH, SHJ, ANN, MCT, SAH, DAM, ALP, BEY, AMM
  • Africa (14): TIP, BEN, TUN, ALG, CMN, LOS, ACC, KAN, KRT, ADD, NBO, ASM, EBB, JNB
  • Asia (5): NRT, KIX, PEK, BKK, BOM
  • North America (2): JFK, YUL


EgyptAir Express

The wholly-owned subsidiary will launch services with the arrival of the first Embraer ERJ-170 in April. The aircraft will be deployed on domestic services which in 2005 accounted for 21% of the airline’s total traffic as well as selected Mediterranean Basin routes including Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Greece and Cyprus. EgyptAir Express Chairman, Mohamed Hassan, states domestic air fares will go down by 25% with the launch of EgyptAir Holding’s 9th sister company.

Though ERJ-170 flights have yet to be loaded into the schedules, the Operations Manager of Marsa Alam Airport (RMF) informed me that EgyptAir have expressed their intention to serve the airport with ‘regional jets’ from April 2007. In fact they’ve started preliminary preparations by introducing a line maintenance facility at the airport, and selling the service to other carriers who do not have this facility. At the moment FastLink Egypt operate a twice weekly Saab 340 CAI-RMF-CAI service.

Eng Atef stated this month ‘As for the Embraer aircraft, which will be used for the EgyptAir Express fleet, the first six aircraft are scheduled to be delivered between April and June 2007, then we will move forward with our options for six more aircraft’. However ACAS shows the following delivery schedule for the 6 firm ERJ-170s:

  • April07 (1)
  • August07 (1)
  • January08 (1)
  • May08 (1)
  • October08 (1)
  • November08 (1)



EgyptAir Cargo

With a fleet of 4 A300Fs and a growing list of dedicated cargo destinations, EgyptAir Cargo, continue to expand in the market. The most recent news was a new cooperation agreement between EgyptAir Cargo and Royal Logistics Services (RLS) who are a part of the Egypt-based Amiral Group. The memorandum of understanding signed entailed RLS overseeing the management and running of a logistics centre to gather and re-distribute goods between Sokhna Port and Cairo Airport. This project is seen as the first step in building ‘Cargo City’ at CAI which is supported by both the Minister of Civil Aviation and Chairman of EgyptAir Holding Company.


EgyptAir Privatisation

Plans to part-privatise the carrier by setting up an IPO for 20% of the company in early 2007 have been put on hold and not likely to be made soon as confirmed by Minister of Civil Aviation, Ahmed Shafiq. He explained to the Shura Council's Industry and Energy Committee that despite operating profitably for 3 years, the airline was yet to achieve a growth rate strong enough to generate interest in its stock. "Just because we use the term 'national airline’ does not mean the government is against the company's privatization," Shafiq said. "I am personally convinced of the importance of offering a portion of the company for private sector partnership." He added that he would support offering ‘as much as 50%’ if such a move was studied properly.


EgyptAir Financial Results

According to EgyptAir CEO, Atef Abel Hamid, 2005/2006 results, yet to be published, will be even better with profits coming from all divisions. In 2003/2004 EgyptAir recorded £EGP303 million profit and in 2004/2005 it rose to £EGP443 million. Note: EgyptAir’s financial year runs from July 1st to June 30th.

In addition, "Indications show that Egypt Air has made s surplus in its 2006 budget," said Eng. Atef. The net surplus (profit) increased by 10 percent, said Atef, pointing out that such an increase reflected the continued progress in the company's performance year in and year out.

In addition the shareholders’ rights have increased by more than 60% since the establishment of the holding company (2004) and investments have reached £EGP8 billion.


EgyptAir Future Plans

As to the future Eng Atef states “EgyptAir will focus on the development of its network, building Cairo into a major crossroads linking Africa with Europe and the Middle and Far East, and expanding the fleet.”

Expansion of the network in Africa is still mired in the inactivity of many of the countries that signed up to the Yamoussoukro Decision. “It is a real problem, and I think that a region by region approach has more chance of succeeding, it is for this reason that we have come up with a new idea. On our initiative, the African Airlines Association is proposing to establish a Club of the Ready and Willing, interested airlines which are capable of convincing their governments and civil aviation authorities to open the sky to free movement of people and good. I believe it will motivate those lagging behind.” Currently the airline has services to 14 African destinations (excluding Egyptian domestic).


EgyptAir Hajj 06/07 Programme

To complete the programme successfully and to minimise the impact to the normal schedule the airline wet leased 2 additional aircraft:

  • Monarch Airlines A300-600R G-MAJS

    The aircraft operated with EgyptAir between 16/12/06 and 14/01/07. Monarch crew involved in the lease agreement included pilots and 3 senior cabin crew (EgyptAir cabin crew covered the rest). Both airlines were happy with the arrangement (2nd year in a row).

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  • Bravo Airlines B767-200ER EC-JOZ

    The aircraft did not actually fly Hajj services but instead operated on EgyptAir's normal scheduled services. Here is a snapshot of where EC-JOZ was operated:
    • CAI-IST-CAI (MS737/738) on 02/01/07
    • CAI-TIP-CAI (MS831/832) on 02/01/07
    • CAI-AMM-CAI (MS719/720) on 03/01/07
    • CAI-DAM-CAI (MS721/722) on 03/01/07
    • CAI-IST-CAI (MS737/738) on 04/01/07
    • CAI-DAM-CAI (MS721/722) on 04/01/07
    • CAI-BCN-CAI (MS767/768) on 05/01/07 (see photo below)
    • CAI-DMM-CAI (MS681/682) on 06/01/07
    • CAI-DOH-CAI (MS8475/8476) on 06/01/07
    • CAI-ATH-CAI (MS747/748) on 07/01/07
    • CAI-FCO-CAI (MS791/792) on 08/01/07
    • CAI-BRU-CAI (MS725/726) on 09/01/07
    • CAI-FRA-CAI (MS785/786) on 10/01/07
    • CAI-FRA-CAI (MS785/786) on 11/01/07
    • CAI-BCN-CAI (MS767/768) on 12/01/07


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The 2006/2007 Hajj flight programme ended on 18/01/07 with the following flights (all ex-JED):
  • MS664 arrived into CAI at 03:50 (B777)
  • MS674 arrived into CAI at 05:50 (A342)
  • MS666 arrived into CAI at 07:15 (A332)
  • MS646 arrived into CAI at 09:15 (A342)
  • MS662 arrived into CAI at 12:40 (A332)
  • MS676 arrived into CAI at 15:25 (B777)
  • MS672 arrived into CAI at 19:40 (B777)
  • MS7207 arrived into LXR at 23:05 (A332)



EgyptAir and CAI

As for the development of Cairo International Airport as a regional hub, the carrier is working with the airport to activate this strategy, and Eng Atef has been appointed by the Ministry of Transport as chairman of a committee, together with the chairman of the airport holding company, to move this project forward.

In order for the airline to achieve a successful operation, the airline would have to develop their hub base and join a global alliance. The former has been addressed with the upgrade of work of Terminal 1 and 2 at CAI and the opening of brand new Terminal 3 in 2008 which will more than double the airport’s capacity.


EgyptAir and Star Alliance

On alliances Eng Atef said, “We have approached the Star Alliance and have had a positive response,” says Eng. Atef. “I believe we will succeed in this endeavour.” EgyptAir is working closely with Lufthansa to join the alliance and recently signed an agreement with Lufthansa Systems to implement the Sirax revenue accounting system at EgyptAir over the next seven months


EgyptAir and e-ticketing

EgyptAir now issue e-tickets on all domestic routes (first route was CAI-LXR-CAI and was issued on 05/12/2006) and to some international destinations as well. During its first week of operation 2,000 e-tickets were issued. Remaining international routes should be e-ticket enabled by the end of March. Interline capabilities should be in place by the end of this month.

EgyptAir officials say the new system will save $1 million annually, which was the cost of issuing ordinary tickets.


EgyptAir Website

Last, but not least, the issue of upgrading the airline’s website. Here is what Eng Atef said last week; ‘The newly designed EgyptAir website will soon be launched, and will be equipped to handle online reservations for all our services and credit card payments.’


EgyptAir Preliminary Summer 2007 Changes

A comprehensive list of Summer 2007 changes is available in the next post (Reply 1).







Other Egyptian Airlines

  • AMC Airlines
    Fleet: 2x B738s, 1x B732, 2x MD-88
    Orders: at least 2 more B738s to be leased from GECAS

  • Air Cairo (60% owned by EgyptAir and the remainder held by National Bank of Egypt and Banque de Cairo)
    Fleet: 3x A320s
    Orders: 2x A320s (deliveries JUL07 and NOV07)

  • Air Sinai (wholly owned subsidiary of EgyptAir)
    Fleet: 1x B735

  • Lotus Air
    Fleet: 4x A320s

  • PAS
    Fleet: 5x Dash-7s, 5x Dash-8s, large helicopter fleet
    Orders: Options on 2x Dash-8s

  • Luxor Air
    Fleet: 1x MD-83

  • Air Memphis
    Fleet: 1x leased MD-83, 1x DC-9
    They returned their 2 A320s (SU-PBD c/n:26 and SU-PBE c/n:24) to the lessor recently.

  • SunAir
    Fleet: 1x ATR72

  • EuroMediterranean Airlines
    A subsidiary of 'Air Italy'. Began operations in January07 with a B757 based in Sharm El Sheikh (SSH). Here is a photo: http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=576334

  • Koral Blue
    Planned launch in March 2007 with 2 A320s





Safety

In a move to ensure the utmost safety all carriers registered in Egypt had to incorporate the IATA Operational Safety Audit (IOSA) into their safety oversight programmes by the end of 2006. All new applicants for an Air Operating Certificate (AOC) in Egypt must successfully complete an IOSA Registration prior to commencing operation. Existing airlines on the Egyptian registry will also be required to undergo an IOSA re-audit every two years.




Airports

Cairo International Airport (CAI)

In 2006 CAI handled a record 10,778,097 passengers (up 5.5% from 2005’s 10,218,369). 8,849,027 (82.1%) were international and 1,929,070 (17.9%) were domestic passengers. In total the airport handled 106,000 civilian flights (6.9% higher than 2005’s 99,204). A very good year considering the problems in neighbouring countries.

The opening of Cairo International Airport’s new Terminal 3 has been delayed again till February 2008. Cairo Airport Company has requested TAV (the contractor) to build a new prier with the capabilities to handle 2 A380 aircraft. In addition 27 airlines are expected to share the terminal with EgyptAir.

Terminal 3:





In 2006 Malaysian Airlines (2x weekly B772) and Air Malta (2x weekly A319) terminated their CAI flights but the airport gained Aeagan Airlines (daily B733) and Afriqiyah Airways (3x weekly A320)



Changes to international airline services to CAI:
(usual summer increases not included)

  • KLM-Royal Dutch Airlines:
    Currently a daily AMS-CAI service (5x weekly B777 + 2x weekly MD-11), but increases to 10x weekly (7x weekly B777 + 3x weekly B744M) this summer. This has yet to be loaded into the schedules but is confirmed. I’d like to thank HB- IWC for this information.

  • Air France:
    S07 sees the upgrade of 4 of their 10x weekly CDG-CAI-CDG A332/A343 services to the B772ER, offering First Class in the Egyptian market again

  • Malev Hungarian Airlines:
    Increases BUD-CAI services from 3 to 4x weekly

  • Swiss:
    ZRH-CAI is currently 5x A343 + 2x weekly A32X, but becomes daily A343 from 09JUL07

  • Aerosvit Airlines:
    Increases from 1x weekly KBP-CAI B735 flight to 2x weekly B734 flights

  • Czech Airlines:
    Upgrade of the 3x weekly PRG-CAI flights from B734 to A320

  • Korean Air:
    Upgrade of the 3x weekly ICN-DXB-CAI service from a 2-class to a 3-class A333 on 22FEB07. Then from 02JUL07 the A333 is replaced with a 3-class B772

  • EL AL
    LY's decision to suspend CAI services (as announced in Nov06) was reversed in late December and the airline continues to operate their twice weekly TLV-CAI B73G/B738 services

  • Air Sinai
    On 25/12/06 4D increased CAI-TLV flights from 2 to 3x weekly with a new Monday service. From 25/03/07 the service increases to 4x weekly B735 flights. In 2006 4D had an average loadfactor of 77.04% on the route. I should add that as soon as LY announced the ‘termination’ of their service 4D’s flights were made available on the Amadeus GDS (previously the flights could only booked directly with EgyptAir)





Alexandria- Borg Al Arab (HBE)

4 consortiums have been short-listed by the Egyptian Holding Company for Airports and Air Navigation for the construction of Alexandria’s Borg Al Arab Airport new terminal. The companies are:
  • Local Arabco with Japan’s Kajima
  • Japan’s Taisei with Turkey’s TAV
  • Athens-based Consolidated Contractors Intenrational Company with the US’s Morganti Group.
  • Bexis with local Orascom Construction Industries.

The project will cost $75 million and entails the construction of a new terminal with a capacity to handle 1 million passengers and 4,000 tonnes of cargo a year. The contracted should be awarded by April 2007 and work to be completed by late 2008.





Sharm El Sheikh International Airport (SSH)

Sharm El Sheikh’s new terminal opened for ‘experimental operations’ in January 2007 (nearly 7 months behind schedule-missing two agreed deadlines) however it will officially open in March.







Hurghada International Airport (HRG)

Construction on a new $75 million terminal should begin later this year to increase airport capacity from 4.5 to 8 million passengers per year.




Miscellaneous Airport News

  • Minister of Civil Aviation, Ahmed Shafik, asserted that the privatisation of Egyptian airports was ‘beyond doubt’ but with the criteria and regulations that would maintain national security. However, some airports will not be subject to privatisation, primarily Cairo International Airport. Shafiq added that the state was to hold 51% of the airports to be privatised, while selling 49% to investors.

  • On January 1st 2007 the authorities raised airport taxes at all Egyptian airports. Passengers on domestic flights now pay $3 in airport tax per ticket (up from $1), while passengers on international flights will pay $15 per ticket (up from $3). The increased revenues will go to improvements in airport services, Ibrahim Mannaa, Chairman of Egypt's Holding Company for Airports and Air Navigation said.

  • Head of the Ministry of Civil Aviation’s planning department, Mohamed Tabal, revealed plans to allocate £EGP50 million to improve security at all Egyptian airports in line with the most advanced technologies. Another project will finish covering all of Egypt’s airspace with navigational radar; some parts of south-western Egypt currently lack coverage.




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Ahlan! Egyptian Aviation Thread + EgyptAir S07 Schedule

Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:18 am

EgyptAir Preliminary Summer 2007 Changes


    Egypt-Domestic:

  • Mersa Metruh: Re-launch of the summer service to the North Mediterranean city

    CAI MUH MS117 ---45-7 09:00/10:20 1hr20min 0 B735
    MUC CAI MS118 ---45-7 10:55/12:00 1hr05min 0 B735




    Europe:

  • Munich: CAI-MUC-CAI flights increase from 4x weekly to daily. Quite an increase on Summer06 when MS only had a 1x weekly service to MUC

    CAI MUC MS787 1234567 11:45/14:55 4hr10min 0 A320
    MUC CAI MS788 1234567 15:55/21:00 4hr05min 0 A320


  • Budapest: increases from 2 to 3x weekly services

    CAI BUD MS739 -2--5-7 13:10/16:00 3hr50min 0 B735
    BUD CAI MS740 -2--5-7 17:00/21:30 3hr30min 0 B735


  • Geneva: increases from 3 to 4x weekly CAI-GVA-CAI flights. The 1x weekly HRG-GVA-HRG A320 flight (MS773/774) remains unchanged.

    CAI GVA MS771 -2—567 10:45/13:55 4hr10min 0 A320
    GVA CAI MS772 -2—567 14:55/19:55 4hr00min 0 A320


  • Rome: CAI-FCO-CAI increases from 6x weekly to daily. The 1x weekly CAI-FCO-LXR-CAI A321 flight (MS793/794) and 1x weekly A320 flight SSH-FCO-SSH (MS717/718) remain unchanged. Total: 9x weekly

    CAI FCO MS791 1234567 11:00/13:25 3hr25min 0 A320
    FCO CAI MS792 1234567 14:25/18:35 3hr10min 0 A320


  • Milan: CAI-MXP-CAI increases from 3 to 5x weekly. The 1x weekly CAI-MXP-LXR-CAI A321 flight (MS705/706) and 1x weekly SSH-FCO-SSH A320 flight (MS707/708) remain unchanged.
    Total: 7x weekly

    CAI MXP MS703 -23-567 12:10/15:00 3hr50min 0 A321
    MXP CAI MS704 -23-567 16:20/21:00 3hr40min 0 A321


  • Madrid: the 5th weekly CAI-MAD-CAI flight added this winter will remain for the summer. All flights with the A320.


  • Amsterdam: the 3rd weekly CAI-AMS-CAI flight added this winter will remain for the summer. All flights with the A321.


  • Moscow: the 3rd weekly CAI-DME-CAI flight added this winter will remain for the summer. All flights with the A32X.

  • London: LHR service changes from 5x B777 + 2x A332 + 1x A320 to 7x A332 + 1x A320.




    Africa:


  • Tripoli: service upgraded from daily A320 to 9x weekly (7x A330 and 2xB735)

    CAI TIP MS829 ---4-6- 11:00/13:05 3hr05min 0 B735
    TIP CAI MS830 ---4-6- 14:00/17:50 2hr50min 0 B735

    CAI TIP MS831 1234567 20:00/22:00 3hr05min 0 A330
    TIP CAI MS832 1234567 23:00/02:35 2hr35min 0 A330


  • Benghazi: increases from 3 to 4x weekly services

    CAI BEN MS835 --34-67 10:00/11:10 2hr10min 0 B735
    BEN CAI MS836 --34-67 12:10/15:05 1hr55min 0 B735


  • Khartoum: increases from daily to 9x weekly services

    CAI KRT MS853 1234567 02:30/05:00 2hr30min 0 A330
    KRT CAI MS854 1234567 06:00/08:40 2hr40min 0 A330

    CAI KRT MS855 -2-4--- 12:30/15:00 2hr30min 0 B735
    KRT CAI MS856 -2-4--- 16:00/18:40 2hr40min 0 B735


  • Algiers: increases from 2 to 4x weekly services

    CAI ALG MS845 12-4--7 09:30/11:30 4hr00min 0 A32X
    ALG CAI MS846 12-4--7 12:30/18:15 3hr45min 0 A32X


  • Casablanca: increases from 3 to 4x weekly services

    CAI CMN MS847 12-4--7 20:15/22:45 5hr30min 0 A320
    CMN CAI MS848 12-4--7 23:45/07:45 5hr00min 0 A320


  • Johannesburg: increases from 4 to 5x weekly services

    CAI JNB MS839 -2-4567 02:25/09:30 8hr05min 0 A330
    JNB CAI MS840 -2-4567 21:30/06:25 7hr55min 0 A330


  • Nairobi: increases from 4 to 5x weekly services

    CAI NBO MS849 12-4-67 23:20/04:15 4hr55min 0 A320
    NBO CAI MS850 12-4-67 05:15/10:00 4hr45min 0 A320


West African flights get a major reshuffle. Currently 4x weekly A330 flights link CAI to Lagos, Accra and Kano in triangle services. This summer all destinations become non-stop with B738s. The changes will result in a 35% increase in seating capacity, a 125% increase in frequencies (4 to 9 flights) and the convenience of non-stop services.

  • Lagos:

    CAI LOS MS875 -2-45-7 03:30/07:00 5hr30min 0 B738
    LOS CAI MS876 -2-45-7 09:30/16:45 5hr15min 0 B738
    - The Tuesday service starts on 05JUN07


  • Accra:

    CAI ACC MS881 -2-4-6- 19:30/22:30 6hr00min 0 B738
    ACC CAI MS882 -2-4-6- 23:30/08:20 5hr50min 0 B738
    - The Thursday service starts on 07JUN07


  • Kano:

    CAI KAN MS879 1-3---- 19:30/22:05 4hr35min 0 B738
    KAN CAI MS880 1-3---- 23:40/06:00 4hr20min 0 B738




    Middle East:

  • Riyadh: increases from 10x weekly to 2x daily service

    CAI RUH MS651 1234567 10:30/13:00 2hr30min 0 A330
    RUH CAI MS652 1234567 14:00/16:40 2hr40min 0 A330

    CAI RUH MS649 1234567 19:30/22:00 2hr30min 0 A320
    RUH CAI MS650 1234567 23:00/01:40+1 2hr40min 0 A320


  • Medinah: increases from 2 to 6x weekly services

    CAI MED MS677 1234--- 15:30/17:20 1hr50min 0 A320
    MED CAI MS678 1234--- 18:20/20:10 1hr50min 0 A320

    CAI MED MS679 --34--- 20:00/21:50 1hr50min 0 A320
    MED CAI MS680 --34--- 22:50/00:40+1 1hr50min 0 A320


  • Kuwait: increases from 9x weekly to 2x daily service

    CAI KWI MS610 1234657 09:45/12:20 2hr35min 0 B777
    KWI CAI MS611 1234567 13:20/16:05 2hr45min 0 B777

    CAI KWI MS612 1234567 20:30/23:05 2hr35min 0 A330 (except Saturday B777)
    KWI CAI MS613 1234657 00:05/02:50 2hr45min 0 A330 (except Saturday B777)


  • Dubai: increases from 9 to 10x weekly services

    CAI DXB MS912 1234567 10:00/14:30 3hr30min 0 A330
    DXB CAI MS913 1234567 15:30/18:10 3hr40min 0 A330

    CAI DXB MS910 -2-45-- 23:00/03:30+1 3hr30min 0 A340
    DXB CAI MS911 --3-56- 04:30/07:10 3hr40min 0 A340


  • Abu Dhabi: increases from daily to 8x weekly services

    CAI AUH MS914 1234567 10:30/14:55 3hr25min 0 A330 (A320 on Saturday)
    AUH CAI MS915 1234567 15:55/18:30 3hr35min 0 A330 (A320 on Saturday)

    CAI AUH MS922 -----6- 20:00/00:25+1 3hr25min 0 A320
    AUH CAI MS923 ------7 01:25/04:00 3hr35min 0 A320


  • Sharjah: increases from 3x weekly to daily (usually 5x weekly in summer):

    CAI SHJ MS966 1234567 23:00/03:35+1 3hr25min 0 A320
    SHJ CAI MS967 1234657 04:35/07:15 3hr40min 0 A320

    + Launch of a brand new Assiut-Sharjah-Assiut route from 01JUN07:

    ATZ SHJ MS970 1--4--- 21:15/01:20+1 3hr05min 0 B735
    SHJ ATZ MS971 -2--5—02:20/04:45 3hr25min 0 B735

    The service will compete against Air Arabia’s 2x weekly A320 service (G9611/612)


  • Amman: increases from 9 to 12x weekly services

    CAI AMM MS719 1-3-567 08:00/09:25 1hr25min 0 A320
    AMM CAI MS720 1-3-567 10:25/11:45 1hr25min 0 A320

    CAI AMM MS701 1234567 18:00/19:25 1hr20min 0 A320
    AMM CAI MS702 1234567 20:25/21:45 1hr20min 0 A320


  • Aleppo: increases from 2 to 3x weekly services

    CAI ALP MS723 -2-4--7 16:45/18:25 1hr40min 0 B735
    ALP CAI MS724 -2-4--7 19:25/21:10 1hr45min 0 B735


  • Damascus: daily B735/A320 flight upgraded to 4x A330 and 3x B738




    +usual summer increases

  • BEY: up from 9 to 11x weekly (becoming a weak performing route in the past few years and surprisingly the least profitable route in Middle East network)

  • DMM: up from daily to 9x weekly (7x A340 + 2 A320)

  • AAN: up from 1 to 2x weekly A320/B738

  • MCT: up from 2 to 3x weekly A320

  • BAH: up from 2 to 3x weekly A320




    North America:

  • Montreal: downgraded from the B777 to the A342. Remains 2x weekly




    Asia

  • India: Foreign Ministers of Egypt and India are working on amending the current bilateral air service agreements allowing EgyptAir to increase their flights to India from 2 to 7x weekly services. The Ambassador of Egypt in India, Mohammed Higazy, stated EgyptAir was looking at adding flights to ‘Delhi, Kolkata, Hyderabad and Bangalore’





    EgyptAir also increase services out of Alexandria (ALY):

  • JED: 3 to 5x weekly A320 services

  • RUH: 1 to 2x weekly A320 services

  • DMM: 1 to 2x weekly A320 services

  • KWI: 2 to 3x weekly A320 services (LXR-KWI also increases from 2 to 3x weekly and ATZ-KWI also increases from 2 to 3x weekly)

  • DXB: 2 to 3x weekly A320 services




The schedule has yet to be finalised so expect some more changes. The most significant change to be announced will be the announcement of EgyptAir Express’s timetable.



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Ahlan! Egyptian Aviation Thread + EgyptAir S07 Schedule

Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:56 am

Wow! Detailed!

Quoting Horus (Reply 1):
Nairobi: increases from 4 to 5x weekly services

CAI NBO MS849 12-4-67 23:20/04:15 4hr55min 0 A320
NBO CAI MS850 12-4-67 05:15/10:00 4hr45min 0 A320

I have a question about this. I have heard NBO is pretty dangerous at night, and I don't think there are other departures at this hour. Does MS do something to alleviate safety concerns with a NBO departure at 0515, or are the security concerns overblown?

Quoting Horus (Reply 1):
CAI LOS MS875 -2-45-7 03:30/07:00 5hr30min 0 B738
LOS CAI MS876 -2-45-7 09:30/16:45 5hr15min 0 B738

Much better schedule. Morning arrival is perfect for local traffic, but does MS get much connecting traffic to LOS? Are there many connecting flights for the 0330 departure?
 
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Ahlan! Egyptian Aviation Thread + EgyptAir S07 Schedule

Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:25 am

wow amazing report!

I just returned from Egypt some weeks ago and enjoyed very much flying Egypt air.

The best surprise was getting ready to board an A320 LXR-CAI but later finding out it was switched to a 777!!. we took the bus from the terminal to the plane and got excited it when i saw it. Being so close to the engine while taking the stairs to the plane was great!

So, i was also surprised to find the layout of the 777 on a 3-4-2 configuration!. I have not seen this smart layout on any other 777 or widebody. I actually like it a lot better than the 3-3-3 and also way better than the dreaded AA layout of 2-5-2. (They just need to add PTVs to the 777)

I am glad they are improving CAI airport. The domestic terminal is so small, crowded and confusing with some many flights leaving from the same gate and with little information from the airline or airport.

I am looking forward to visiting Egypt again and flying the E-jets to the places i couldnt visit.  Smile
 
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Ahlan wasahlan Horus , i just wanted to thank you for this looooong report , haven't had the chance to read it yet but as soon as i do i will post a reply  Smile .
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An excelent and complete report of the current Egyptian aviation. What is the reason of this new delay for Cairo Intl. Terminal 3?
 
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Impressive introduction Horus. Well done!

The aviation scene in Egypt must be an exciting one to watch with quite a number of new airport constructions. I personally love the design of the new HRG airport.

Is there any plan for Egyptair to serve KUL following the withdrawal of MH from CAI on 28 October 2006?

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
In 2006 Malaysian Airlines (2x weekly B772)

As for the reinstatement of CAI in MH's network, I don't think it can be materialised in the nearest future considering MH's present state. I would say, should MH's Business Turnaround Plan goes as planned, we can hope for CAI to be reinstated back in MH's network in 2-3 years time.
 
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Woow what a detailed report.  Wow! Is there anything left to ask about?  scratchchin  Well, let's see  Wink Big grin

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
KLM-Royal Dutch Airlines:
Currently a daily AMS-CAI service (5x weekly B777 + 2x weekly MD-11), but increases to 10x weekly (7x weekly B777 + 3x weekly B744M) this summer. This has yet to be loaded into the schedules but is confirmed. I’d like to thank HB- IWC for this information.

That is a good news!

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
Malev Hungarian Airlines:
Increases BUD-CAI services from 3 to 4x weekly



Quoting Horus (Reply 1):
Budapest: increases from 2 to 3x weekly services

CAI BUD MS739 -2--5-7 13:10/16:00 3hr50min 0 B735
BUD CAI MS740 -2--5-7 17:00/21:30 3hr30min 0 B735

It's nice to see that both MA and MS are increasing their frequencies on the route, but I still wonder why MS has one flight per week less? Is MA doing better on that route? Are their load factors better?

Also, do you have any information about my area and flights from Egypt? I'm sure that JAT would return this summer, but are any of the Egyptian carriers interested in flying here? Charters to HRG and SSH and doing well and I can't believe Egyptians don't want a slice of that cake.

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Well , first of all , thanks a lot for this very detailed report and welcome back to A.Net . I can only imagine how much time did it take you to compile all these info into this much appreciated report , good job  Smile


Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
Cairo Airport Company has requested TAV (the contractor) to build a new prier with the capabilities to handle 2 A380 aircraft. In addition 27 airlines are expected to share the terminal with EgyptAir

I am surprised as i am not aware of any plans of any Airline to deploy the A380 to CAI .
And regarding the 27 Airlines that will share MS in using T3 , are these the airlines that used to use T2 ? Will T2 be demolished ?

It is nice to see MS expanding in East,South and West Africa .





Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 7):
It's nice to see that both MA and MS are increasing their frequencies on the route, but I still wonder why MS has one flight per week less? Is MA doing better on that route? Are their load factors better

I believe it has to do with Connecting pax from CAI to the rest of Europe through Budapest . Malev offers very competitive prices to Europe out of Cairo .
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wow Horus thank you so much for that wonderful report, may i add its great to see you back here, its been far too long, and im sure most will agree!
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Ahlan wa sahlan Horus.

Thank you very much for this report. In 5 minutes I had a very well idea about Egyptian aviation.
I am impressed about new airports in HRG and SSH. Do you know how many pax actually use current facilities?

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Ahlan Ahalan Hours ops i mean Horus, welcome back long time.
thanks for the long report that's what we needed.

again welcome back.

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Quoting Horus (Reply 1):
London: LHR service changes from 5x B777 + 2x A332 + 1x A320 to 7x A332 + 1x A320.

Welcome back my friend Horus, justa quick question though, what is the timetable for the A332 flights on LHR-CAI?
 
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Excellent report Horus. Thanks.
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Is it true that MS and OA are looking to expand their cooperation besides the ALY route on the ATH-CAI-ATH route as well? They already codeshare on the ALY route.
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Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
EgyptAir celebrates its 75th Anniversary this year. The airline was established on the 7th May 1932 and became the 7th carrier in the world.

Congrats and I hope they will have a good and longer life. Thanks for the post, did not know they had been around as long as that. Maybe they should put some gold paint somewhere on the aircraft to celebrate their Golden Anniversary. Keep on flying
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 2):
Wow! Detailed!

Thanks. After a 5 month break from the forum there was a fair bit to catch up on!

Quoting AF022 (Reply 2):
I have a question about this. I have heard NBO is pretty dangerous at night, and I don't think there are other departures at this hour. Does MS do something to alleviate safety concerns with a NBO departure at 0515, or are the security concerns overblown?

I don't think the Kenyan capital is anymore dangerous than most cities, and EgyptAir's flights allow for convenient connection times for European and Middle Eastern services from CAI.

There are other aircraft movements at NBO between 03:00-06:00. Here are the arrivals into the airport on 30/01, 31/01 and 01/02:

Arrivals on 30/01
- AEY528 from MXP at 03:10
- KQ231 from BKK at 04:20
- KQ325 from IST (via CAI) at 04:45
- I9528 from FCO at 05:00
- KQ463 from JNB at 05:50

Arrivals on 31/01
- HR524 from MXP at 03:05
- MS849 from CAI at 04:00
- SS886 from ORY at 04:50
- QR534 from DOH at 05:50
- KQ463 from JNB at 05:50

Arrivals on 01/02
- QR534 from DOH at 05:40
- KQ463 from JNB at 05:50

Quoting AF022 (Reply 2):

Much better schedule. Morning arrival is perfect for local traffic, but does MS get much connecting traffic to LOS? Are there many connecting flights for the 0330 departure?

A significant proportion of passengers on the carrier's West African service are connecting onto Middle Eastern services. As for the 03:30 departure, though it may not be ideal, it is after the final wave of EgyptAir flights arrive into CAI.

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 3):
wow amazing report!

I just returned from Egypt some weeks ago and enjoyed very much flying Egypt air.

Glad you enjoyed your EgyptAir flight. A last minute switch from an A320 to a B777 is always a nice surprise. Regarding the 3-4-2 layout onboard, it does seem to suit the needs of different travelling groups which is always a plus. As for Terminal 1 - Hall 2 (which caters for domestic operations) it's certainly on the small side but a vast improvement on the what it was in 2003. In 2008 the airline will move all its operations to the new Terminal 3.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 5):
An excelent and complete report of the current Egyptian aviation. What is the reason of this new delay for Cairo Intl. Terminal 3?

Neither CAC (Cairo Airport Company), Fraport or TAV have officially revealed the reason for the delay but 'lack of time management and planning' by the contractor (TAV) is widely believed to be the reason.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 6):
Impressive introduction Horus. Well done!

The aviation scene in Egypt must be an exciting one to watch with quite a number of new airport constructions. I personally love the design of the new HRG airport.

Is there any plan for Egyptair to serve KUL following the withdrawal of MH from CAI on 28 October 2006

Terima kasih 9MMAR. The development of Egyptian airports is certainly in full swing at the moment (since 2003). Focus is now on deregulation - albeit at a slow pace. Implementing open skies is planned for 2008 which should finally create a free market.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 6):
As for the reinstatement of CAI in MH's network, I don't think it can be materialised in the nearest future considering MH's present state. I would say, should MH's Business Turnaround Plan goes as planned, we can hope for CAI to be reinstated back in MH's network in 2-3 years time.

It was certainly disappointing to see MH cancel CAI, but there was little point keeping the route if it was loosing money. I think it's unlikely MH will return in the foreseeable future, considering MS's plans to enter Star Alliance and the new SQ schedule to Cairo (see below).

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 7):
Woow what a detailed report. Wow! Is there anything left to ask about? scratchchin Well, let's see Wink Big grin

Glad you enjoyed it!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 7):
It's nice to see that both MA and MS are increasing their frequencies on the route, but I still wonder why MS has one flight per week less? Is MA doing better on that route? Are their load factors better?

The CAI-BUD market is small but expanding. In 2005, MA carried 13,526 passengers on 158 flights and MS carried 9,654 passengers on 103 flights. EgyptAir command 41.6% of the market and experience higher load factors (than MA) on the route. MA's service is timed to depart and arrive BUD to allow for easy onward connections on almost all their European services which they have capitalised on.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 7):
Also, do you have any information about my area and flights from Egypt? I'm sure that JAT would return this summer, but are any of the Egyptian carriers interested in flying here? Charters to HRG and SSH and doing well and I can't believe Egyptians don't want a slice of that cake.

Funny you should mention that. Up until last Wednesday Amadeus showed JU were reinstating a weekly BEG-CAI service from 25/03/07, increasing to 2x weekly on 16/06/07. Both flights are not there any more.

As for charters, the likes of AMC Airlines and Lotus Air, continue to operate significant charter programmes ex-Egypt to East Europe, Italy, Spain and Germany. I can only assume Serbian travel agents have an agreement with JAT to transport tourists to and from the Red Sea.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 8):
Well , first of all , thanks a lot for this very detailed report and welcome back to A.Net . I can only imagine how much time did it take you to compile all these info into this much appreciated report , good job Smile

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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 8):
I am surprised as i am not aware of any plans of any Airline to deploy the A380 to CAI .
And regarding the 27 Airlines that will share MS in using T3 , are these the airlines that used to use T2 ? Will T2 be demolished ?

No, no carrier has revealed plans to serve CAI with the A380 however its vital to have the necessarily infrastructure available particularly in a new terminal. As for the 27 airlines, these will include all Star Alliance members and most European and Middle Eastern carriers. Terminal 2 will be renovated and a bridge constructed to connect it to Terminal 3.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 8):
It is nice to see MS expanding in East,South and West Africa

Though the Yamoussoukro Decision has been marred in inaction, the Egyptian CAA has been able to negotiate relaxed bi-laterals with individual states. JNB should become daily by S08 and the service is code-shared with (Star Alliance member) South African Airways.

Quoting IOLAR (Reply 9):
wow Horus thank you so much for that wonderful report, may i add its great to see you back here, its been far too long, and im sure most will agree!

Thanks Iolar

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 10):
Ahlan wa sahlan Horus.

Thank you very much for this report. In 5 minutes I had a very well idea about Egyptian aviation.
I am impressed about new airports in HRG and SSH. Do you know how many pax actually use current facilities?

Ahlan and thank you Pzurita1.

Here are the passenger figures for Egypt's largest airports in 2006:

Airport / Total Passenger Figures for 2006 / Percentage Change from 2005:

  • Cairo International Airport (CAI) / 10,778,097 / 5.5%
  • Sharm El SHeikh Airport (SSH) / 5,052,705 / 11.8%
  • Hurghada Airport (HRG) / 4,832,530 / 1.6%
  • Luxor Airport (LXR) / 2,032,790 / -9.7%
  • Aswan Airport (ASW) / 874,014 / -15.3%
  • Alexandria-Al Nozha Airport /572,817 / 16.1%
  • Alexandria-Borg Al Arab Airport / 230,225 / 84.6%
  • Assiut Airport (ATZ) / 88,691 / 25.1%


Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 11):
Ahlan Ahalan Hours ops i mean Horus, welcome back long time.
thanks for the long report that's what we needed.

again welcome back.

Izzayak Tuti

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 12):
what is the timetable for the A332 flights on LHR-CAI?

LHR CAI MS777 -234-67 10:25/13:35 5hr10min 0 A330
CAI LHR MS778 -234-67 15:00/21:50 4hr50min 0 A330

LHR CAI MS777 ----5-- 12:40/15:50 5hr10min 0 A330
CAI LHR MS778 ----5-- 17:50/00:40+1 4hr50min 0 A330

LHR CAI MS777 1------13:15/16:25 5hr10min 0 A330
CAI LHR MS778 1------ 18:00/00:50+1 4hr50min 0 A330

Quoting Anax (Reply 14):
Is it true that MS and OA are looking to expand their cooperation besides the ALY route on the ATH-CAI-ATH route as well? They already codeshare on the ALY route.

At the moment MS codeshare on OA's ATH-ALY service (OA327/327 - MS9527/9528). A similar codeshare agreement on the CAI-ATH route is being explored after Aeagan Airlines launched flights on the route.

On a side note, I should add that OA currently use the B717 on 2 of their ALY services which makes Al Nozha the only Egyptian airport to get the Boeing type.

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 15):
Congrats and I hope they will have a good and longer life. Thanks for the post, did not know they had been around as long as that. Maybe they should put some gold paint somewhere on the aircraft to celebrate their Golden Anniversary. Keep on flying

With 2 new B738s arriving this year and a couple of B777s/A342s due for heavy maintenance soon, a special livery commemorating their Diamond Jubilee is a possibility.



Other news...



  • Jazeera Airways to launch flights to the Red Sea Resort of Sharm El Sheikh, their 4th Egyptian destination from 01FEB07


    KWI SSH J9542 ---4--7 18:40/20:05 0 2hr25min A320
    SSH KWI J9543 ---4--7 20:55/00:20+1 2hr25min 0 A320



    The flights will compete with KU's weekly KWI-LXR-SSH-KWI and weekly KWI-SSH-LXR-KWI A310 flights.



  • Singapore Airlines are finally making their CAI flights non-stop. Since its launch, CAI has been served with 3x weekly B773 flights via DXB. The new schedule comes into effect from 27MAR07:


    SIN CAI SQ492 -23--6- 18:00/22:55 9hr55min 0 B772
    CAI SIN SQ493 --34---7 01:00/15:15 10hr05min B772



    The move is probably in response to:
    • MH cancelling their KUL-CAI flights
    • EgyptAir's plan to join Star Alliance (MS codeshares on this service).


    However with this move SQ will no longer serve the lucrative DXB-CAI-DXB route (where they had 5th freedom rights). In addition the new flight times are not as convenient as the current one [SIN/(23:35)-CAI/(06:30) CAI/(13:20)-SIN/(07:15)] and entail longer transit times at SIN for journeys continuing to Australia.

    The new non-stop service will be operated with B772s with a 30C/293Y configuration. Unfortunately SpaceBeds still won't be offered on the CAI route. On a side note Emirates will become the only airline to operate B773s and B773ERs to CAI.


  • Last week (21/01/07) EgyptAir's CAI-GVA MS771 flight had to make an emergency landing at the Swiss airport after the pilot reported a deflated nose wheel tyre. After an initial go-around, A320 SU-GBF (Sharm El Sheikh) landed safely and all passengers disembarked via steps. The airport's fire crew were at hand throughout.



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Quoting Horus (Reply 16):
I can only assume Serbian travel agents have an agreement with JAT to transport tourists to and from the Red Sea.

Well, I believe those charters have something to do with agreements between two countries more than they have to do with travel agencies. I can compare Egyptian market with Tunisian. For example, both TU and JU fly to MIR during summer season and the biggest tour operators offer them both. The difference is that TU was some 20 Euros more expensive, but their schedule was far better and they flew with very little delays, while JU had problems because charters were operated very late at night and there were some big delays. With good schedule and on-time performance, Egyptian charter airlines could do well here.

Quoting Horus (Reply 16):
Up until last Wednesday Amadeus showed JU were reinstating a weekly BEG-CAI service from 25/03/07, increasing to 2x weekly on 16/06/07.

It should be strange if it wasn't JAT Big grin The last I've heard was that they want to reduce number of destinations and increase frequencies. Something tells me, they will fight with everything they have to keep their monopoly on SSH and HRG charters.
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Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
Air Memphis
Fleet: 1x leased MD-83

Where is the MD83 comeing from?

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
Luxor Air
Fleet: 1x MD-83

What is the a/c doing? some reports says stored in Stockholm, other operating for Jordan Aviation? ANY IDEA?
 
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Have Saudia quit Sharm El Sheikh? and just to let you know China Southern still have Cairo plans maybe later this year.
 
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Great post, Horus !

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
as soon as LY announced the ‘termination’ of their service 4D’s flights were made available on the Amadeus GDS (previously the flights could only booked directly with EgyptAir)

As far as I know, LY decided not to cancel its route to CAI, mainly because of political reasons (the Egyptians strongly opposed the idea, since the route between TLV and CAI is part of the peace agreement signed between Israel and Egypt in 1979). However, from time to time, the usual 737-700/800 gets "downgraded" to a hired (IZ) ATR.

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
Air Sinai (wholly owned subsidiary of EgyptAir)
Fleet: 1x B735

There used to be two "unmarked" MS (Air Sinai) 735's flying the route to TLV (Kalabsha and...errmm...can't remember the second one's name). Now there's only one ? Besides, I flew a few times an also "unmarked" A321 to CAI. Does it still fly the rote to TLV ?

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News....

  • Lufthansa: the airline will upgrade capacity on the FRA-CAI route by turning the 3x weekly FRA-CAI-SAH-CAI-FRA A333 service (LH652/653) into a terminator service (i.e. FRA-CAI-FRA) giving CAI 14x weekly dedicated LH flights. The new schedule will be:

    FRA CAI LH582 1234567 08:55/13:55 4hr00min 0 ABA
    CAI FRA LH583 1234567 15:30/18:50 4hr20min 0 ABA

    FRA CAI LH584 1234567 14:10/19:10 4hr00min 0 A333
    CAI FRA LH585 1234567 05:45/09:05 4hr20min 0 A333


    SAH will be re-routed via RUH.


Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 18):
With good schedule and on-time performance, Egyptian charter airlines could do well here.

Perhaps as the market develops further, but in all honesty there are two other markets Egyptian charter airlines would be targetting first; UK and Russia.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 18):
It should be strange if it wasn't JAT Big grin The last I've heard was that they want to reduce number of destinations and increase frequencies. Something tells me, they will fight with everything they have to keep their monopoly on SSH and HRG charters.

Judging by last year, JU might re-start CAI at little notice ( JAT Relaunch Cairo...Again (by Horus May 1 2006 in Civil Aviation) )

On a side note, JU are operating a charter flight to CAI tonight (02/02) JU7174/7175.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 19):
Where is the MD83 comeing from?

I will let you know, but I think it's from a Ukranian operator.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 19):
What is the a/c doing? some reports says stored in Stockholm, other operating for Jordan Aviation? ANY IDEA?

The aircraft is still operating ad-hoc flights for Luxor Air.

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
Have Saudia quit Sharm El Sheikh? and just to let you know China Southern still have Cairo plans maybe later this year.

SV have yet to finalise their Summer schedule. They usually operate a 2x weekly RUH-JED-SSH-JED-RUH MD-90 Summer service. EgyptAir have a weekly Summer SSH-JED-SSH flight too.

As for CZ, it was disappointing to see LOS launched before CAI however as you said a new service is likely before S08.


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Quoting Horus (Thread starter):



Quoting Horus (Reply 16):
Thanks. After a 5 month break from the forum there was a fair bit to catch up on!

Good to have you back Horus, where have you been hiding? You havn´t composed this report over the last 5 months, haven´t you? Big grin

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Izzayak Horus!

Excellent news report! This has got to be one of the most detailed and professional ones I've ever read on here!

The Egyptian aviation scene is certainly very exciting and is getting more exciting!

About Terminal 3 at CAI, where will it be located? Have any updated renderings been released?

I'd love to see a more detailed and clear rendering of Terminal 3, much like the rendering for the new terminal at Hurghada which by the way looks stunning!
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Excellent post.

Pity about HBE, the old terminal was much more historic.

Incidentally, I was on the coast road being driven past HBE on 13/02/2006.
On display was MIG21MF 8*71. Do you know if it will remain.

When we went into Mersa Metruh later that day and another MIG21MF flew over very low and was apparently landing at the airport. Is it joint use?.

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Any chance to see Egypt Air coming back to Zurich?
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BMI will take over BMed's routes to Egypt from October, Cairo service is also planned bt them.
 
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Does Air Memphis search new planes (A320?) to replace the two A320 which are now in GYR (for scrapping). Never heard of a MD-83 for this airline (as Horus says).

But this is an excellent report! Thank you Horus!
 
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News...

  • Cairo Airport Terminal 4: As work continues on the new Terminal 3, the Minister of Civil Aviation has stated that plans have already began to build a fourth terminal.

  • Cairo International Airport Terminal 1: Ibrahim Manaa, Chairman of EHCAAN, has confirmed that once Terminal 3 opens in early 2008 EgyptAir and most international carriers will relocate to the new building. Terminal 1 (which was renovated in 2003/2004) will then be used by Egypt's private airlines. The latter move allows private carriers to launch competitive scheduled and domestic services as the Ministry of Civil Aviation gradually adopt Open Skies at CAI.

  • Egypt Airports Company, has approved a proposal to allocate £EGP570 million to finance a plan to upgrade 4 Egyptian airports (Sharm El Sheikh, Borg Al Arab, Hurghada and Taba) with information and technology systems installation. £EGP150 million of the fund has been allocated to fulfil the installation through an international bid.

  • Air Traffic Control: Work will begin in March 2007 to manufacture a new Egyptian satellite to control air traffic. The satellite will be put into operation in 2010 to serve the growing number of flights in Egyptian airports. The number of airport passengers increased by 7.2% in Egypt during 2007, which is higher than the world average.

  • Airport Taxes: As detailed in the first post, January 2007 saw passenger taxes increase to $15 on international flights and $3 on domestic flights. This applied to scheduled services. It has now been revealed that charter flights will be subjected to increases from the current $4. This month the charge increases to $7, followed by $11 in May and finally $15 in November. The Egyptian Holding Company for Airports and Air Navigation defended the increases by stating the new fees will bring in revenues of about $90-$100 million this year alone. As the full fees are gradually levied on all flights, an estimated $120-$150 million in revenues is expected every year.


Quoting OHLHD (Reply 23):
Good to have you back Horus, where have you been hiding? You havn´t composed this report over the last 5 months, haven´t you? Big grin

Great report!!!

Kiitos paljon OHLHD. Yeah this post took the best part of 5 months to complete. Glad you found it informative.

Quoting BA (Reply 24):
About Terminal 3 at CAI, where will it be located? Have any updated renderings been released?

I'd love to see a more detailed and clear rendering of Terminal 3, much like the rendering for the new terminal at Hurghada which by the way looks stunning!

Kifak ya zalamah?

I'll try and post some printed computer images of T3 but you'll have to bear with me as I don't have access to a scanner.

As for HRG (3rd busiest Egyptian airport), the new terminal does look very modern. It's interesting to note how the image shows EgyptAir B747s at the gates...

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 25):
Excellent post.

Pity about HBE, the old terminal was much more historic.

Incidentally, I was on the coast road being driven past HBE on 13/02/2006.
On display was MIG21MF 8*71. Do you know if it will remain.

When we went into Mersa Metruh later that day and another MIG21MF flew over very low and was apparently landing at the airport. Is it joint use?.

David

Cheers David. Well HBE needs to expand to cater for all of Alexandria's traffic needs as downtown ALY will eventually close. Unfortunately I am unaware of the fate of the MIG currently on display. As for your final point, almost all Egyptian airports see military activity however these are segregated to a different part of the airfield.

Quoting 717fan (Reply 26):
Any chance to see Egypt Air coming back to Zurich?

Not likely. EgyptAir currently codeshare on Swiss's ZRH-CAI A343 flights and this seems to suffice. Instead MS will focus on the development of its MUC operations which becomes a daily A320 service this summer (compared to 1x weekly flight in S06). In addition with MS's plans to join Star Alliance (which LX recently joined) the two are likely to co-operate rather than compete on the route. On a positive note EgyptAir will increase GVA flights to 5x weekly this summer.

Quoting 777way (Reply 27):
BMI will take over BMed's routes to Egypt from October, Cairo service is also planned bt them.

KJ's sole Egyptian route is LHR-HBE-ADD which is currently served with 4x weekly A321 flights (BA6565/6566). The airline did operate a 1x weekly LHR-HBE-LXR A320 flight during the Summer 2001 season however it was dropped after 5 months.

As for BD's plans to serve CAI, CEO Nigel Turner did state in November 2006 that "the airline's plans to serve Cairo have been put on the back-burner" due to bilateral problems. However with the takeover of KJ and plans to implement open skies at CAI, BD could begin LHR-CAI services in 2008. I should add that in 2006 the number of Britons visiting Egypt increased by 58% to just over 1 million making them the largest source of tourists to Egypt ahead of the Germans and Italians.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 28):
Does Air Memphis search new planes (A320?) to replace the two A320 which are now in GYR (for scrapping).
But this is an excellent report! Thank you Horus!

Both MHS A320s were early builds (SU-PBD c/n:26 and SU-PBE c/n:24) and they had their share share of technical problems. The airline's future plans are unclear (getting accurate information from private carriers can be difficult), however one would assume that both the A320 and B737 are being considered for the future. Their sole DC-9 SU-PBO which is their domestic workhorse is also in need of a replacement. The aircraft was built in 1980 and completed 63,144 cycles and flown 55,964 hours.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 19):
Where is the MD83 comeing from?



Quoting Viasa (Reply 28):
Never heard of a MD-83 for this airline (as Horus says).

The leased MD-83 is SX-BSW with ‘UK Jet’ markings.



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Hello Horus,

Just a bit of info, SSH new terminal is not yet opened in any way, major construction work and interior fitting is still going on however with a very fast pace, last seen yesterday, also the tarmac area in front of it is being completely rebuilt. Salam.
 
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Alf Shoukr Horus
On my last trip to CAI i saw a couple 0f 743 at airport.
Are they still flying ?
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They stopped flying 4 years ago as their engines were in need of overhaul and it was estimated to be extremely expensive, they were withdrawn from service and sold two years ago to a Belgian-Saudi group that will dis-assemble and sell them as spares, they started on the first one, it is now has all its doors, radome, engine pylons removed, would be interesting to see how far they will go.
 
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News...

  • EgyptAir: the airline had its application to increase CAI-DOH services from 7 to 9x weekly flights 'indefinitely postponed' by the Qatari CAA. The 2 new flights were due to start in April with the following schedule:

    CAI DOH MS937 --34--- 20:00/23:00 3hr00min 0 A320
    DOH CAI MS938 --34--- 23:59/03:15+1 3hr16min 0 A320


    Instead the airline will upgrade one of its daily CAI-DOH A320 flights (MS935/936) to an A340 (Thursday).


  • Etihad Airways: the airline will increase flights on the AUH-CAI route from 7 to 10x weekly services. The new schedule is as follows:

    AUH CAI EY651 --34--7 01:10/03:35 3hr25min 0 A332 <--new service
    CAI AUH EY652 --34--7 04:50/09:10 3hr20min 0 A332 <--new service

    AUH CAI EY653 1234567 09:30/12:05 3hr35min 0 EQV*
    CAI AUH EY654 1234567 13:20/17:55 3hr35min 0 EQV
    *
    * EQV = 6x A332 and 1x B77W


Quoting SU184 (Reply 30):
Just a bit of info, SSH new terminal is not yet opened in any way, major construction work and interior fitting is still going on however with a very fast pace, last seen yesterday, also the tarmac area in front of it is being completely rebuilt. Salam.

Well I guess the press release from the ‘Egyptian Holding Company for Airports and Air Navigation’ was a little premature. That's an 8 month delay and counting.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 31):
Alf Shoukr Horus
On my last trip to CAI i saw a couple 0f 743 at airport.
Are they still flying ?
Maa shukry

The 2 B743s (SU-GAL and SU-GAM) were operated by EgyptAir and retired from service in early and mid 2004. SU-GAL amassed 39,736 flying hours (11,242 cycles) and SU-GAM amassed 39,390 hours (10,925 cycles).


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Pending final approval, EgyptAir will announce a new destination shortly.

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Quoting Horus (Reply 34):
Pending final approval, EgyptAir will announce a new destination shortly.

Long or short haul ?
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Great post!
I will be on holiday in Egypt, flying to and from Cairo, between 21 febr. and 2 march and try to pick up some interesting domestic flights.
I'd definitely want to go on a PAS Dash-7. Do you know on which routes they usually fly, and which are more Dash-8 routes?
What is Air Memphis flying to with their DC-9? Would also be a cool flight.
Any other suggestions to fly to within Egypt, typical routings, special prices, I would fly on anything?
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Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 36):
Any other suggestions to fly to within Egypt

something interesting for sure could be

SUN AIR ATR72 http://www.sunair-eg.com/
AMC B737-200 http://www.amcairlines.net/
 
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Thank you Horus. Much appreciated.

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
EgyptAir will focus on the development of its network, building Cairo into a major crossroads linking Africa with Europe and the Middle and Far East,

How much of the traffic is currently connecting through Cairo, as opposed to Cairo being the Origin/Destination? (O/D) Percentage wise.

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
Currently the airline has services to 14 African destinations

I don't want to say I'm surprised, but I'd think MS would serve LAD and DKR....
Is it possible to discuss some of the other African destinations being looked at presently?

A very noticeable hole extends from Iraq through Iran onto Pakistan and India into China....
How much of this is because of bi-lateral constraints, code-share, or just plain inability to make such routes profitable?.....Another couple of routes I'd have assumed MS served would be KHI and DEL....even HKG? (But what do I know!!)

Has MS ever served THR? I have wondered about that route....I understand the peculiarities involved.

When will Alexandria airline operations be consolidated at the one airport? Or is this something undecided?
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From the recent AK's Investor Relations Day, it was announced that Cairo is one of the targeted route for AirAsia X.
 
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Wonderful topic Horus.......... Great  Smile

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
AMC Airlines
Fleet: 2x B738s, 1x B732, 2x MD-88

Can you confirm the 2 MD-88 reg, I can't find any in the data base.

What about Tristar Air, as I know they operate one Boeing 707, one Airbus 300 & one DC-8 . Is there any news for their fleet expansion.

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News...

  • EgyptAir Express: The 'latest' delivery forecast for the 6 ERJ-170 is:

    • 2x May 2007
    • 1x June 2007
    • 1x July 2007
    • 1x August 2007
    • 1x September 2007


    EgyptAir Express Chairman, Mohammed Hassan, stated the company will decide by November/December whether to exercise the 6 aircraft on option.

    With the arrival of the first 2 aircraft in May the airline will launch Cairo-Sharm El Sheikh flights. As further aircraft are delivered new services will begin to Hurghada, Luxor and Aswan.

    Pending approval of the parent company, EgyptAir Express plan to launch new international destinations within a 3 hour flying time of CAI from July. The new destinations will not duplicate any of EgyptAir's current routes and international operations will be limited with focus being on domestic network building.



  • EgyptAir: Services to Barcelona increase from 2 to 3x weekly flights with a new CAI-BCN-CAI Sunday rotation


    CAI BCN MS767 ----5-7 11:00/14:20 4hr20min 0 A320
    BCN CAI MS768 ----5-7 15:20/20:10 3hr50min 0 A320

    CAI BCN MS763 1------ 11:00/14:20 4hr20min 0 A320
    BCN CAI MS764 1------ 15:10/22:30 6hr20min 1 A320 via LXR



  • Lotus Air: In a move reflecting the eventual deregulation in the market private carrier, Lotus Air, recently applied for a regular license for domestic and international routes from the Ministry of Civil Aviation. Currently the airline operates 4 A320s (1 wet leased to Libya) on charter flights between Egypt and Europe. If the licence is approved the airline will split its fleet evenly between charter and scheduled services. The airline would initially launch 12x weekly flights from Cairo to Dubai, Kuwait, Jeddah and Doha, all timed to connect with the carriers Cairo-Sharm El Sheikh/Alexandria/Luxor flights.



  • AMC Airlines: Similar to Lotus Air, Egypt's largest private carrier hope to start scheduled services. According to a recent company conference Chairman, El Sayed Saber, is confident that there is sufficient demand for scheduled service, though he admits it could take some time for the market to respond. He says AMC's strategy is to provide flights at more convenient times to and from Europe than EgyptAir, allowing passengers to arrive ready to work or enjoy their trip. He acknowledges the airline may initially operate at half capacity, however Saber is optimistic that business will pick up within one or two years. "[Our planes] will be full once you know that you can go to Luxor, stay, do some business or visit temples, and come back after six hours, knowing there is a flight," he says. "But now, you can't do it because there are no flights except in the morning or evening. If I'd like to go to Hurghada tomorrow, [for instance], I'd have to wake up at four o'clock to reach the airport at six."



  • SunAir: Having evaluated present market conditions, the airline will remain a charter operator offering flights to OHD resorts in Taba and El Gouna along with other Egyptian tourist destinations. The airline operates 1 ATR72, with a further 2 on order.

    As the youngest Egyptian airline (launched in early 2006) the airline achieved an average loadfactor of 65% since launch which is still lower the 80% break even loadfactor needed. Even though the launch of regular services could spur demand in the long term, the airline cannot withstand operating losses in the short term.



  • Tarom: a third weekly flight will be added routing OPT-CAI-OTP (the two other services route OTP-AMM-CAI-OTP)



  • Lufthansa: the airline will downgrade the daily LH582/583 from an A330-300 to an A300-600R (ABA). Therefore all 14x weekly FRA-CAI flights will be on the A300, quite a downgrade on last summer's 2x daily A333 service even though all CAI flights become terminator services this summer.


Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 35):

Long or short haul ?

The destination being looked at is in Asia.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 36):
Great post!
I will be on holiday in Egypt, flying to and from Cairo, between 21 febr. and 2 march and try to pick up some interesting domestic flights.

Thank you MEA707, first time in Egypt?

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 36):
I'd definitely want to go on a PAS Dash-7. Do you know on which routes they usually fly, and which are more Dash-8 routes?

PAS operations are split between passenger charters and (oil) company charters. The Dash 8-300s are mainly used on the passenger services but there is no guarantee. The 5th Dash-8 (SU-CBN) was delivered in November 2006.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 36):
What is Air Memphis flying to with their DC-9? Would also be a cool flight.

DC-9 (SU-PBO) is mainly used on the ASW-ABS-ASW route and to Iraq.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 36):
Any other suggestions to fly to within Egypt, typical routings, special prices, I would fly on anything?

EgyptAir has a monopoly on the domestic market. If you were travelling to Egypt a couple of months later you could have sampled EgyptAir Express who launch Embraer ERJ-170 services this May.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 37):
something interesting for sure could be

SUN AIR ATR72 http://www.sunair-eg.com/
AMC B737-200 http://www.amcairlines.net/

Unfortunately most (if not all) airlines in Egypt have outdated websites, so its advisable to contact the airline directly for their timetable and fares.

Here is PAS's website:
http://www.pas.com.eg/

Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):

How much of the traffic is currently connecting through Cairo, as opposed to Cairo being the Origin/Destination? (O/D) Percentage wise.

In 2006 134,031 passengers used CAI as a transfer airport (less than 1.3% of total passenger numbers). However CAC, Fraport, and EgyptAir will implement the transfer hub strategy once T3 opens early next year.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):
I don't want to say I'm surprised, but I'd think MS would serve LAD and DKR....
Is it possible to discuss some of the other African destinations being looked at presently?

EgyptAir served ABJ until 2005 however flights were terminated due to the civil unrest in the Ivory Coast. The Yamoussoukro Decision was to create an open market within Africa however due to the usual bureaucracy no one (including EgyptAir) are holding their breath. As for possible new destinations; Douala, Dakar and Juba are being assessed.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):
A very noticeable hole extends from Iraq through Iran onto Pakistan and India into China....

The CAI-BGW route is served by Iraqi Airways (B737), Air Memphis (DC-9) and Tigris Airways (B727). EgyptAir will only serve the Iraqi capital once stability is achieved in the country.

China is a growing market and expect new services to this market soon. EgyptAir relaunched CAI-PEK (via BKK) in 2005 and China Southern are expected to launch PEK-CAI flights.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):
Another couple of routes I'd have assumed MS served would be KHI and DEL....even HKG? (But what do I know!!)

Pakistan is not on the radar. EgyptAir terminated their 2x weekly CAI-DXB-KHI-DXB-CAI A320 service in 2004 due to growing financial losses. The Egypt-Pakistan market is adequately served by the Gulf carriers via their respective hubs.

As for India, the Foreign Ministers of both Egypt and India are currently revising the bilateral air service agreement between both countries allowing EgyptAir access to more airports (DEL and HYD topping the list).

Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):
Has MS ever served THR? I have wondered about that route....I understand the peculiarities involved.

Due to the political situation between Egypt and Iran, a CAI-THR service is highly unlikely in the foreseeable future.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 38):
When will Alexandria airline operations be consolidated at the one airport? Or is this something undecided?

HBE will become the sole Alexandria airport in early 2009. ALY will either be closed completely or remain open for G.A.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 39):
From the recent AK's Investor Relations Day, it was announced that Cairo is one of the targeted route for AirAsia X.

With a lower cost base than MH, AKX are in a better position to serve Cairo, however I personally can't see the airline launching this route.

Quoting Fly707 (Reply 40):
Wonderful topic Horus.......... Great Smile

Can you confirm the 2 MD-88 reg, I can't find any in the data base.

AMC Airlines have 1 owned MD-83 in operation, SU-BOY. They leased a second one between December 2006 and January 2007. The airline had a 2nd MD-83 (SU-BOZ) but it was written off in a landing accident in JUB last year.

The airline should receive 2 more B738s from GECAS this year, and plan to operate a fleet of 7 B738s by late 2008.

The MD-83 (SU-BOY) and B732 (SU-AYK) have amassed 24,840 hours/10649 cycles and 57,244 hours/44150 cycles respectively. Both aircraft will be retired by year-end.

Quoting Fly707 (Reply 40):
What about Tristar Air, as I know they operate one Boeing 707, one Airbus 300 & one DC-8 . Is there any news for their fleet expansion.

I'm surprised you asked as few people know about this airline. Their sole aircraft, A300B4-200F (SU-BMZ) continues to operate regular services to AMS and other charter ad-hoc flights.

The B707-300C (SU-APD) retired from service several years a go having amassed an impressive 63,467 hours since it was built in 1970.


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Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:39 am

News...

  • EgyptAir Website: The new airline website http://www.egyptair.com/ was finally launched today. The website allows online bookings and easy to navigate. The site is still basic but will gradually be updated with more information.


  • EgyptAir: The airline will increase Bangkok services to daily with the addition of 3 new B777 flights (MS958/959). The new flights start 02JUN07.

    CAI BKK MS958 1-3--6- 23:15/11:55 1 8hr40min 0 B777 <--new service
    BKK CAI MS959 1-3-5-- 00:45/05:55 1 9hr10min 0 B777 <--new service

    CAI BKK MS960 -2-45-7 23:15/11:55 1 8hr40min 0 B777 (continues to PEK)
    BKK CAI MS961 -2-4-67 00:45/05:55 1 9hr10min 0 B777 (continues to PEK)



  • Air Sinai: The airline will increase CAI-TLV flights to 5x weekly this summer (originally only 4 flights were planned).



  • Egypt-India Market: The bilateral air service agreement between both countries has been rectified, allowing EgyptAir a daily service to India. This will be reflected in the airline's schedule in due course. Negotiations have already began with Air India and Jet Airways to launch their own services to Cairo.





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Quoting Horus (Reply 42):
EgyptAir: The airline will increase Bangkok services to daily with the addition of 3 new B777 flights

Wow , i didn't know that this route is doing that good to grant a daily T7 service . I believe it is mainly a transit market rather than O&D and i would also assume that MS carries a lot of cargo from Thailand .

Quoting Horus (Reply 42):
Egypt-India Market: The bilateral air service agreement between both countries has been rectified, allowing EgyptAir a daily service to India

Good news , i hope MS can tap into the JFK-LHR/India market .
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:05 am

Hey abo horus ezayak ya gamil.

Quoting Horus (Reply 41):
The destination being looked at is in Asia.



Quoting Horus (Reply 42):
EgyptAir Website: The new airline website http://www.egyptair.com/ was finally launched today. The website allows online bookings and easy to navigate. The site is still basic but will gradually be updated with more information.

Yea finally, although it's still basic but it's much better than what it was, i also tried the online booking and it seems not working. did any one have any luck?

Quoting Horus (Reply 42):
EgyptAir: The airline will increase Bangkok services to daily with the addition of 3 new B777 flights (MS958/959). The new flights start 02JUN07

that's good news, i had a friend of mine who works for Egyptair and he said that the latest news that they were going to add another service to another city in China but i can't remember the name, also they will be adding 2 extra flights to JFK starting this summer.

Now he mentioned that Egyptair is not happy with the B738 performance and they are thinking of changing the order and go for the 777, does anyone have any news about that?

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 43):
Good news , i hope MS can tap into the JFK-LHR/India market .

MS 7abybi a7'barak eh.
that will be of a great addition the India market is huge and i believe it can accommodate more service.
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Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 44):
Quoting Horus (Reply 42):
EgyptAir Website: The new airline website http://www.egyptair.com/ was finally launched today. The website allows online bookings and easy to navigate. The site is still basic but will gradually be updated with more information.

Yea finally, although it's still basic but it's much better than what it was, i also tried the online booking and it seems not working. did any one have any luck?

I checked the new website out , it is an improvement compared to the old one , here is my impression :

Pros :

1) You can book online ( but only if you are leaving from an Egyptian airport ) .
2) Looks much nicer and more user friendly than the old website .
3) You can chose your seat using the A/C seating map .
4) The online timetable has greatly improved giving you the weekly schedule and the A/C type.

Cons :

1) No more destinations map ( although in the old website it was outdated but still a good feature to have )
2) No more fleet details and pictures .

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 44):
MS 7abybi a7'barak eh.
that will be of a great addition the India market is huge and i believe it can accommodate more service.

Tamam Abou el cabaten ...
Although the Indian market is big but it is a tough market . Air Canada has just pulled out of the YYZ-DEL market citing that it's a very seasonal market ( I am not sure about BOM though ) , Alitalia may be pulling out as well . Having said that , it is also a price sensitive market ( which plays out to the benefit of MS ) . But MS would not be able to be a competitive player in BOM before having a daily CAI-BOM flight .
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News...


  • Oman Air: The Omani carrier will increase their MCT-CAI service to daily this summer (usually 5x weekly in summer and 3x weekly in the winter). 5 weekly services will be on the B738 and 2 with the B73G.

    EgyptAir will continue to operate their 3x weekly CAI-MCT A320 service (MS930/931). Incidentally Gulf Air have for the past 3 Summers operated 5x weekly MCT-CAI B763 services, so it'll be interesting to see if it's bought back.


  • KLM: the carrier's plan to increase AMS-CAI flights to 10x weekly services have been postponed due to the airline's long haul aircraft shortage. Instead the airline will upgrade their daily service from 5x B777 and 2x MD11 to 4x B777 and 3x B74M.



Izzayak MSYYZ. 3amel eh? Eh ra2yak 3ala il website il gideedah?

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 43):
Wow , i didn't know that this route is doing that good to grant a daily T7 service . I believe it is mainly a transit market rather than O&D and i would also assume that MS carries a lot of cargo from Thailand .

Indeed a daily B777 is a testament to the market size. However it's important to note that 4 flights continue to PEK (MS960/961), and the 3 new flights (MS958/959) will (pending final approval) continue to a new Asian destination. In other words, BKK is a hub for EgyptAir (MNL and NRT previously routed via the Thai capital too).

The B777 currently used on 5 LHR flights will be redeployed on MS958/959. CAI-LHR will be served using an A330 from 24MAR07 (bar the Wednesday red-eye A320 service).

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 43):
Good news , i hope MS can tap into the JFK-LHR/India market .

It'll be interesting to see how they utilise the new frequencies; either on an increased BOM service or the introduction of a new Indian destination (or perhaps a mixture of both).

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 44):
Hey abo horus ezayak ya gamil.

Tamaam. Inta 3amel eh?

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 44):
Yea finally, although it's still basic but it's much better than what it was, i also tried the online booking and it seems not working. did any one have any luck?

As MSYYZ stated, the booking engine seems to only allow flights ex-Egypt, however when it went online yesterday you were able to book any flight. I assume it's only a temporary glitch.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 44):
that's good news, i had a friend of mine who works for Egyptair and he said that the latest news that they were going to add another service to another city in China but i can't remember the name, also they will be adding 2 extra flights to JFK starting this summer.

Now he mentioned that Egyptair is not happy with the B738 performance and they are thinking of changing the order and go for the 777, does anyone have any news about that?

Regarding the new destination, all I can say is that it is in China but I can't reveal more than that yet (ma3lish).

Regarding the B777, at least one is due for heavy maintenance work in late April. With the new MS958/959 service the B777 fleet utilisation will be at its highest since introduction into service however it's still possible to add new long haul flights (particularly since YUL is now an A342 destination).

As for the B738, their dispatch reliability has been relatively high (considering it is a new type). The next one is due in June. I have not heard about a B738/B777 order swap.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 45):
Although the Indian market is big but it is a tough market . Air Canada has just pulled out of the YYZ-DEL market citing that it's a very seasonal market ( I am not sure about BOM though ) , Alitalia may be pulling out as well . Having said that , it is also a price sensitive market ( which plays out to the benefit of MS ) . But MS would not be able to be a competitive player in BOM before having a daily CAI-BOM flight .

The Egypt-India market is expanding fast, and the new services will cater for this market with the transfer market being an added bonus. Incidentally EgyptAir is considering the relaunch of CAI-SHJ-India flights.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 45):
I checked the new website out , it is an improvement compared to the old one , here is my impression :

The website is still to be officially launched so more changes will occur.



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RE: Ahlan! Egyptian Aviation Thread + EgyptAir S07 Schedule

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 45):
You can book online ( but only if you are leaving from an Egyptian airport )

Yup i did try it and it did work fine, i actually did try the CAI-JFK and the offer the e-ticket option to, which is a great addition, hope they will fix it so you can book also from outside Egypt.

Quoting Horus (Reply 46):
Tamaam. Inta 3amel eh?

Tamam el7amd llah

Quoting Horus (Reply 46):
As MSYYZ stated, the booking engine seems to only allow flights ex-Egypt, however when it went online yesterday you were able to book any flight. I assume it's only a temporary glitch.

Yup and its working Now.

Quoting Horus (Reply 46):
Regarding the new destination, all I can say is that it is in China but I can't reveal more than that yet (ma3lish).

No worries, like i said he told me i just forgot the name, the only thing that came to my mind though, why MS is not looking to HKG?
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RE: Ahlan! Egyptian Aviation Thread + EgyptAir S07 Schedule

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:35 am

News...

As of Yesterday Feb 20th EgyptAir announced the increase in domestic fare up to 20%-45% for Economy, and 45%-80% for business class.
Now all the fares will be the same for Egyptians and foreigners.
They announced the reconstruction of the ticketing system to apply the new ticket rules and refunds.
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RE: Ahlan! Egyptian Aviation Thread + EgyptAir S07 Schedule

Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:42 am

As of Yesterday Feb 20th EgyptAir announced the increase in domestic fare up to 20%-45% for Economy, and 45%-80% for business class.

Is that in anticipation of the launch of Egyptair Express when ( as MS officials said ) fares are expected to be slashed by about 25% ?
So they pump up the fare by 45% before its launch then will slash it by 25% after starting operation , how bizzare !!
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