Oasis Hong Kong...

[email protected] · Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:32 pm

Well, not necessarily new news, but a bit of a round-up.

Oasis Hong Kong (08) presently flies daily HKG-LGW-HKG using two ex-SQ 744s in an 81 business and 278 economy layout.

I see that its lowest economy, all-inclusive one-way fare from HKG to LGW has gone down; it's now from 105 GBP (HKG$1619) including everything. Hence, a LGW-HKG-LGW ticket including everything is from about 243 GBP in economy.

It is reported that O8 will begin a non-stop HKG-OAK-HKG service in June, starting at once-daily.

O8 is expecting to gain permission to launch a non-stop HKG-YVR-HKG service within 3 or 4 months; that route is then due to be the airline's third.

Both HKG-OAK-HKG and HKG-YVR-HKG will be priced at around HKD$1000 one-way before tax and charges; hence, a one-way all-inclusive ticket to either Oakland or Vancouver will be from about 105 GBP/US$207.

O8 is expecting to operate about 25 744s within 5 years.

Other proposed routes include Paris, Berlin, Cologne, Milan, Zurich, Toronto, Boston, Chicago, New York and possibly to Hawaii; of these, Raymond Lee Cheuk, Oasis' chairman, has said that they have obtained licenses to fly to Chicago, Milan, Cologne and Berlin.

I can't wait for it to begin its HKG-OAK-HKG service.

sam1987 · Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:34 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Thread starter):
Hence, a LGW-HKG-LGW ticket including everything is from about 243 GBP in economy.

Not bad at all; a good 100 GBP cheaper than BA's lowest fare.

But what is the service like? I've heard mixed opinions.

Quoting [email protected] (Thread starter):
O8 is expecting to operate about 25 744s within 5 years.

Exciting expansion plans. I don't see any reason why this isn't possible.

bwest · Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:35 pm

Does anybody know how they are doing on LGW-HKG ?

QF744ER · Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:40 pm

Oasis are having a problem sourcing 744's at the moment, hence the delay in expansion.

rgds

Tom/WA

[email protected] · Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:41 pm

Quoting Bwest (Reply 2):
Does anybody know how they are doing on LGW-HKG ?

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
But what is the service like?

Here's some customer reviews: http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/oasis.htm

Generally, fine reviews.

Kevin777 · Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Bwest (Reply 2):
Does anybody know how they are doing on LGW-HKG ?

Judging by the fare level they cannot be doing too fine. Okay, maybe they don't sell all the seats for 240 pounds, and maybe we're a bit off-season, but I reckon it's certainly a money-loosing affair as it is right now. Maybe VS, BA, CX and NZ aren't pulling the golden Y-fares either, but at least they got some full-fare paying C/F pax on each flight to subsidize the bargains; doubt that's the case for O8 - which is their Achilles heal.

Hate to be a party-pooper, and no, I am no expert on O8, but still I think they're facing strong headwind.

About the expansion plans: Berlin?????? Come on... nice place, but the city is shrinking and business life is virtually dead; it has two long-hauls (US) daily and limited relations to HKG. The UK-HKG market is huge in both business, leisure and VFR, HKG-BER isn't anywhere near..

Kevin777 Smile

9MMAR · Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 3):
Oasis are having a problem sourcing 744's at the moment

There's rumour that they are eyeing 2 MH's 744s. MH has quite a number of idle 744s.

wedgetail737 · Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Thread starter):
I can't wait for it to begin its HKG-OAK-HKG service.

Neither can I. I'm hoping those flights are during the day.

BA777 · Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:27 pm

What about the ANA ones that they're getting rid of?

Henry

jacobin777 · Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):

Judging by the fare level they cannot be doing too fine. Okay, maybe they don't sell all the seats for 240 pounds, and maybe we're a bit off-season, but I reckon it's certainly a money-loosing affair as it is right now. Maybe VS, BA, CX and NZ aren't pulling the golden Y-fares either, but at least they got some full-fare paying C/F pax on each flight to subsidize the bargains; doubt that's the case for O8 - which is their Achilles heal.

I know load factor doesn't mean profitability, but O8 has had very good load factors....the fact they are trying to expand might be good news...

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
About the expansion plans: Berlin?????? Come on... nice place, but the city is shrinking and business life is virtually dead; it has two long-hauls (US) daily and limited relations to HKG. The UK-HKG market is huge in both business, leisure and VFR, HKG-BER isn't anywhere near..

Before Berlin, I expect them to start OAK and then ORD..those two cities have been on their rader for quite a while...

Regards...

CX Flyboy · Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:37 pm

They are currently in talks with MH, SA and NH. I believe that there is one NH 744 already confirmed.

Candid76 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:48 am

It would be particularly nice if one of these new generation long haul airlines could pick up a batch of 743s, refurbish them and maybe put new two man cockpits into them. There are plenty of these available, and not many 744s, I imagine that if an upgrade was possible the actual purchase price of the airframes would be very low (if the number of 743s I saw in bits at Marana recently is anything to go by).

If airlines like Oasis start to proliferate and succeed then the cargo market may have a problem sourcing enough 744s. This would be good for the prospects of older 747 freighters, and possibly also for the 748F and 777F.

CX747 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:57 am

Is SQ a possible source for 744s? I know that they have been selling/leasing surplus 744s for a few years now.

ZRHnerd · Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:00 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
But what is the service like?

Is there any at all? duck

DfwRevolution · Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting CX747 (Reply 12):
Is SQ a possible source for 744s? I know that they have been selling/leasing surplus 744s for a few years now.

Their current 747-400s are ex-SQ, so it's certainly possible they could get more from Singapore in the future.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 11):
It would be particularly nice if one of these new generation long haul airlines could pick up a batch of 743s, refurbish them and maybe put new two man cockpits into them.

Cockpit refurbishment alone would be very, very costly. Given the relativly small units Oasis is searching for, it would likely be most practical to continue searching for used 744.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 11):
If airlines like Oasis start to proliferate and succeed then the cargo market may have a problem sourcing enough 744s.

Personally, I think it's great to see new 747 passenger airlines thumbsup

CV580Freak · Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:12 am

Doesn't UA have a few 744's sitting in the desert ?

sw733 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
I reckon it's certainly a money-loosing affair as it is right now

Aren't most airlines at first?

Buyantukhaa · Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 14):
Their current 747-400s are ex-SQ, so it's certainly possible they could get more from Singapore in the future.

The were indeed owned by SQ but used by IB until O8 got them. I flew on both last June when they were still with IB (EC-AMA and EC-AMB).

CX747 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:06 am

I would think that as more and more 777-300ERs join SQ's fleet, the 747-400s will be sold/leased/returned to leasors. This would provide Oasis with a common layout of cockpit and engines. Another airline might be British Airways. Over the next few years, BA's oldest 744s will be leaving the fleet. If Oasis makes it that long, BA's RR engined birds might be an option.

BALAX · Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:33 am

These fares seem pretty inexpensive. How do they expect to make decent money on these routes, especially with the price of fuel nowadays. Also, what's the cabin crew pay like. I can't imagine it being that great.

coleplane · Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:22 am

This all seems a little reminiscent of Virgin's early years. Just a thought for my first a.net post.

Rara · Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
About the expansion plans: Berlin?????? Come on... nice place, but the city is shrinking and business life is virtually dead; it has two long-hauls (US) daily and limited relations to HKG. The UK-HKG market is huge in both business, leisure and VFR, HKG-BER isn't anywhere near..

Aircraft handling fees in SXF are relatively low, that's always a factor for an LCC.

In continental Europe, I see them flying to CGN first. A huge LCC hub which would allow budget travelers from HK to connect to virtually all of Europe for a very low price, and vice versa.

It's too bad that the business model of LCCs doesn't allow them to cooperate and codeshare... imagine Oasis could offer 500 EUR roundtrips for a large number of European cities, even the more remote ones... and that on a regular basis... that would mean trouble for established airlines.

ThePRGuy · Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
But what is the service like? I've heard mixed opinions.

non existant?
I've heard there have been HUGE delays out of LGW

I've been twice in the last two months, and both times the OasisHK flights were delayed/cancelled

Troubled start - lets dhope they pick up and really "take off" - excuse the pun...

Alex

LAXdude1023 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:02 am

Would Oasis Hong Kong ever be interested in any of the LA area airports?

centrair · Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:23 am

Wasn't it rumored a few months back that Oasis was also looking for something smaller than the 744...something along the lines of a 772ER?

Would think that 772ERs are kind of hard to get hands on yet. Could they use a non-ER 777-200?

B747-437B · Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:25 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 22):

I've heard there have been HUGE delays out of LGW

Um... I don't think so. They are >90% on-time over the last couple months that I can recall. Their crew layover at the same hotel as mine do, so I keep pretty up-to-date with the going-ons there.

DfwRevolution · Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 24):
Would think that 772ERs are kind of hard to get hands on yet. Could they use a non-ER 777-200?

The 777-200A would require a tech stop for North America or Europe. It could opperate non-stop from HKG to most of the mid-East, India, Asia, and Australia.

Quoting Rara (Reply 21):
It's too bad that the business model of LCCs doesn't allow them to cooperate and codeshare..

Not at all. Herb Keller is not holding a gun to the head of every LCC CEO to follow the Southwest Airlines circa 1971 business model. Several LCC (including Southwest) code-share these days.

IIRC, Oasis is looking for code-share partners.

Quoting Rara (Reply 21):
. and that on a regular basis... that would mean trouble for established airlines.

I doubt Oasis in any form is going to significantly disrupt the major airlines in Asia or Europe. Anything Oasis does will be trivial compared to the expansion EK has in the works.

LTU932 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 17):
The were indeed owned by SQ but used by IB until O8 got them. I flew on both last June when they were still with IB (EC-AMA and EC-AMB).

Make that TF-AMA and TF-AMB. After SQ phased out these two 744s, they were leased to CC. CC then wetleased them to IB.

kevin · Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:14 am

Can't wait to see them in Vancouver. Or may be they would even consider flying to Calgary, Canadian so called "low-cost" hub (Westjet). We are really being ripped off here in Canada (1200 for a flight to Asia , compared to 700 from LAX or SFO). We surely need a break in a form of "Oasis"

centrair · Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 26):
IIRC, Oasis is looking for code-share partners.

I thought I read something about a relationship with Germanwings or some other German LCC. Anyone wanna bet that B6 will knock on their door when they start looking for a US codeshare?

[email protected] · Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 22):
Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
But what is the service like? I've heard mixed opinions.

non existant?

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 13):
Is there any at all?

Perhaps do a bit of research before spouting such drivel. You get food, drink and IFE included in the price with O8. You can update your food to Gourmet standard by paying a supplement.

From its frontpage (I wouldn't expect you to know how to get there):

"Comfortable seats, multiple meals, lots of audio channels and even a personal TV to enjoy our non-stop video entertainment."

Shows how you two - and it's almost always you two - rarely research anything before submitting nonsense.

Now, I'm off to CNX for my next flight: back to BKK. The 747 - perhaps even the 742 - is scheduled as the most likely aircraft for my OX flight. Big grin

[Edited 2007-01-31 03:27:02]

coleplane · Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:35 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Would Oasis Hong Kong ever be interested in any of the LA area airports?

Oasis would be looking at any route that's potentially profitable, which would include LA. Management would also assess each target markets load factor capability.

JetBlueGuy2006 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting Coleplane (Reply 20):
This all seems a little reminiscent of Virgin's early years. Just a thought for my first a.net post.

Welcome to A.net. Enjoy the turbulence that has become of this wonderful site. Wink

centrair · Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 30):
Perhaps do a bit of research before spouting such drivel. You get food, drink and IFE included in the price with O8. You can update your food to Gourmet standard by paying a supplement.

Wanna know what is sad?

O8's 744 in Y sounds better than NW's 744 in Y. At least on O8 you don't have to look over 100 people to see a center screen.

MarshalN · Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 33):
Wanna know what is sad?

O8's 744 in Y sounds better than NW's 744 in Y. At least on O8 you don't have to look over 100 people to see a center screen.

You can probably substitute this for almost any US airlines flying over the Pacific. UA service is also dismal. CO is slightly better, IMO.

coleplane · Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 32):
Welcome to A.net. Enjoy the turbulence that has become of this wonderful site.

Thanks for the welcome JetBlueGuy. I'm having to brush up on my abbreviations, prefixes, etc. Other than that, ready to join the mix once and awhile.

ZRHnerd · Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 30):

Why getting all personal about it? It's just because not everybody is such an LCC lover like you are. Would be nice if you enlightened us about why, because it's simply beyond me.

peterinlisbon · Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:30 pm

I flew on the first flight from Hong Kong to London. I was very impressed with the service and I felt that the delay was dealt with very well (we were given 5 star hotel accomodation, dinner, breakfast and a free return flight to Hong Kong. Those that really had to get to London that day were put on other flights). The president of the company was there and came round to talk to everybody in all classes. The seats were comfortable and had plenty of movie channels. The stewardesses very friendly and very experienced (ex-Cathay Pacific). Overall, I enjoyed flying with them and I would choose them again, especially considering the price. As far as I can see the reviews are very good on http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/oasis.htm

Kevin777 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:47 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 16):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
I reckon it's certainly a money-loosing affair as it is right now

Aren't most airlines at first?

True, guess I wasn't being specific. What I meant was that if it continues like this - and nothing seems to indicate a radical change - it'll be a money-loosing affair in the longer-term.

Quoting Rara (Reply 21):
Aircraft handling fees in SXF are relatively low, that's always a factor for an LCC.

Hardly a significant argument though.. maybe if we're within the same area, but as a sole, significant reason for flying to Berlin, no..

Quoting Rara (Reply 21):
In continental Europe, I see them flying to CGN first. A huge LCC hub which would allow budget travelers from HK to connect to virtually all of Europe for a very low price, and vice versa.

CGN would make much more sense than BER, much more.. but still I doubt if it is enough

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 26):
Not at all. Herb Keller is not holding a gun to the head of every LCC CEO to follow the Southwest Airlines circa 1971 business model. Several LCC (including Southwest) code-share these days.

For a long-haul LCC a codeshare is also more valuable than it is to a short-haul LCC.. but again, for shorthaul LCCs codeshares are at a minimum... The four biggest EU LCCs, FR, U2, AB and NB stay out of code-shares.. WN (AFAIK) only does it on ATA in relation with the merger (or whatever it was) and that they can offer seats to Hawaii

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 30):
. You get food, drink and IFE included in the price with O8.

And what has this got to do with an LCC??? Now I believe that O8 is right on this, LCC FR-style doesn't work on long-haul - but calling it an LCC just because it's not a legacy carrier???...

Kevin777

Comeflywithme · Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:17 pm

The major carriers are starting to match Oasis prices lately from London so it looks as if they may be in for a fight,in fact Air NZ's new service was cheaper the last time I looked.
Hopefully they won't have any inop problems and can be seen to provide a reliable service but for the money I would prefer to travel with BA as they have many daily options on the HKG route.
Only time will tell.

MCOflyer · Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:32 pm

There is a TR for O8 on here. I know O8 can get some from MH and SQ. Hopefully the number of 744's available will rise.

MCOflyer

MCOflyer · Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:34 pm

Oasis Hong Kong: LGW-HKG-LGW (by Raventom Dec 13 2006 in Trip Reports)

Check it out.

MCOflyer

MH017 · Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
About the expansion plans: Berlin?????? Come on... nice place, but the city is shrinking and business life is virtually dead

Do not forget lot's of Poles and Czech people fly from/into one of the Berlin airports; have even seen taxis coming straight from the Szczecin-area to TXL airport to drop-off passengers !

sw733 · Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting MH017 (Reply 42):
Do not forget lot's of Poles and Czech people fly from/into one of the Berlin airports; have even seen taxis coming straight from the Szczecin-area to TXL airport to drop-off passengers !

Two things:

1) How many Poles and Czechs go to Hong Kong? Not enough to fill a 744, I would argue, at least not on any regular basis.

2) They also go to HAM quite often, and I think HAM would be a better pick for Oasis than Berlin.

Buyantukhaa · Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 27):
Make that TF-AMA and TF-AMB. After SQ phased out these two 744s, they were leased to CC. CC then wetleased them to IB.

Ah I didn't know that. I only saw the regs on the nose gear doors saying AMA and AMB and I assumed they had Spanish registries.

[email protected] · Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 36):
just because not everybody is such an LCC lover like you are.

I love Italians - well, one - and certainly not an airline. How would I go to bed with an airline? And a low-cost one at that! What a frightful proposition! The idea of Wal*Mart underwear is really not appealing.

[email protected] · Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:41 pm

I think everyone is forgetting the fact that it has this number of seats in business class:

Quoting [email protected] (Thread starter):
81

That is a huge amount.

Its lead-in all-inclusive business one-way ticket was about 460 GBP from LGW to HKG, but I have just found a special for just 332 GBP. And what is more, I have just found a one-way business ticket, including everything, from HKG to LGW for just 253 GBP. That's amazingly good - at least for the customer.

[Edited 2007-02-01 06:53:09]

Kevin777 · Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 46):
at least for the customer.

You got that right!... But wouldn't wanna be the airline!...

Kevin777 Smile

[email protected] · Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:27 pm

If O8 is expecting to begin HKG-OAK-HKG this June, when might it start to sell tickets? I recall that tickets for HKG-LGW-HKG were only available 1-2 months before its planned first flight. So, sometime in April, perhaps?

[email protected] · Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:50 pm

The minimum all-in return fare for LGW-HKG-LGW if I book using O8's UK website is about 263 GBP. If, however, I use its HKG website, I can get LGW-HKG-LGW for about 243 GBP. But can a Briton, residing in the UK, use its HKG website to book?

I can't wait for 08 to launch its HKG-OAK-HKG service. If it does, I should, I hope, get LGW-HKG-OAK, inclusive of everything, for about 250 GBP.

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