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No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:42 am

With most of the merger speculation ending, Continental apparently will expand CLE both domestic and international..With EWR just about maxed out and number 1 in the country for delays...CLE will grow and grow big..Annoucements to come soon from IAH brass.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:52 am

Where are the aircraft, specifically mainline, going to come from? id love to see CLE grow, and right size EWR to a sustainable/stable level, but Co doesnt have that many new a/c comming in for a sizeable hub growth. itd be nice if cities like PVD got to see mainline CLE return....
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:00 am

These will help,

Continental Airlines Converts to More Boeing 737-900ER Aircraft
NEW YORK, Dec. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today said it has converted an additional 12 of its existing Boeing orders into the new Boeing 737-900ER. These are conversions from the airline's previously announced Boeing Next-Generation 737 orders. With this latest conversion, Continental's total commitment to the 737-900ER is now 24 firm aircraft.

The 737-900ER is the latest addition to Boeing's highly successful 737NG family which has delivered over 2,000 737NGs worldwide. Continental was the first U.S. carrier to order this new extended-range aircraft which flies approximately 500 nautical miles farther than the existing 737-900. The 737- 900ER shares the same performance attributes of other Next-Generation 737s currently in Continental's fleet, giving the carrier greater efficiencies in pilot training, crew flexibility, simplified maintenance and savings on spare part inventory costs.

"The new 737-900ER will have among the lowest operating costs in the industry and will allow us to build upon our efficient 737 fleet," said Larry Kellner, chairman and chief executive officer. "In addition, the 737-900ER will be configured with 20 first class seats, providing excellent opportunities for complimentary OnePass frequent flyer upgrades."

Today's announcement for the new Boeing 737-900ER aircraft does not change the quantity of new Boeing 737 aircraft Continental has on order. The carrier still has total firm commitments for 60 Boeing 737s and has the ability to convert more of its existing Boeing 737 orders to the 737-900ER
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:30 am

Speaking of CO and CLE, I'm wondering if FWA will be one of the first CO Connection/CommutAir cities to be upgraded from B1900s to the Q200s that they're leasing from QX.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting CLE757 (Thread starter):
With most of the merger speculation ending, Continental apparently will expand CLE both domestic and international..With EWR just about maxed out and number 1 in the country for delays...CLE will grow and grow big..Annoucements to come soon from IAH brass.

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:51 am

...and they are now going to return 14 older 733's in 2008. 2008 738 and 739 deliveries will net CO only 16 domestic narrowbody aircraft...
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting CLE757 (Thread starter):
Continental apparently will expand CLE both domestic and international...

CLE757,

Thanks for the update  Smile

Does this mean we can look to another international CLE destination via the 752's?

...and if so, will it be a stand alone one or a connection to a SkyTeam hub (i.e. AMS?)
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:49 am

Wonder if AF would move their seasonal CVG flight over to CLE for the summer?
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:51 am

I think they could increase aircraft utilization anf create a 5th bank at CLE. The last eastbound bank leaves at about 7PM. This could easily be 2 hours later. The first westbound bank could be 20-30 minutes earlier too...
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:51 am

CLE757, I believe you were the first one to provide news of the CLE-CDG flight which was formally announced shortly thereafter.

CO announced a profit in 2006, my sources indicate the new City administration is much more hands on and workable than meets the eye. If that's true, nice combination for CLE future right now.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:51 am

CLE757, I believe you were the first one to provide news of the CLE-CDG flight which was formally announced shortly thereafter.

CO announced a profit in 2006, my sources indicate the new City administration is much more hands on and workable than meets the eye. If that's true, nice combination for CLE future right now.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:30 am

Good news to see an expansion from CLE. If CO plays its cards right, CLE could become a very attractive viable connecting point for many East-West flights, skipping the horrid delays at ORD, and to a lesser extent, DTW.

Now, if we could only get some more intl. routes at IAH... I'd be surprised if CO couldn't turn a profit on IAH-FRA, as LH has that market with no competition right now.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:43 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
I'm wondering if FWA will be one of the first CO Connection/CommutAir cities to be upgraded from B1900s to the Q200s that they're leasing from QX.

Based on initial Mar/Apr schedules, it appears the Q200's are all replacing ERJ's to CMH/HPN/JFK/MDT/SYR and not replacing any B1900's The Beeches are even being pressed into service to replace ERJ's to IAD.

CO's schedules after early April are murky at best, at least to the public - so I don't know what happens after that.

[Edited 2007-02-01 01:45:07]
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 11):
Now, if we could only get some more intl. routes at IAH... I'd be surprised if CO couldn't turn a profit on IAH-FRA, as LH has that market with no competition right now.

Which I believe will go to 4x weekly 744 with the A343 3x weekly come March.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 11):
Now, if we could only get some more intl. routes at IAH... I'd be surprised if CO couldn't turn a profit on IAH-FRA, as LH has that market with no competition right now.

I by no means am "in the know" at CO but speculation has certainly seemed to point towards FRA, MAD, FCO and TLV as likely candidates for expansion from IAH.

Regardless, I'm afraid us IAH'ers will have to wait until the 787's get here before we see any new trans-oceanic service.

But in the interim here’s to more service from CLE!  Smile

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:39 am

Is CLE going to finally get widebody services from CO again? CLE must be the most boring place in the world to spot with the majority of traffic being 737s and ERJs...

...And this is coming from a SAN guy!
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:02 am

...and I'm still wishing on star about a CLE-HNL flight. I've only seen a CO 764 at CLE once, and my, what a beautiful compliment to the airport scenery  frown 
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 12):
Based on initial Mar/Apr schedules, it appears the Q200's are all replacing ERJ's to CMH/HPN/JFK/MDT/SYR and not replacing any B1900's The Beeches are even being pressed into service to replace ERJ's to IAD.

So places like CMH, NYC and SYR get the shaft, and places like ROC and BUF (that are closer than SYR, mind you) remain RJs? Wow, another downgrade for Syracuse. Anyone else want to cut mainline? Who's left, NW, B6 and US? Actually, they're the only three carriers to have mainline into Syracuse now, once DL leaves.

A side note, now that I've realized this, I've noticed SYR is the only one of the four Upstate cities not to receive UA mainline. What gives? We're scheduled to get 5/6 CR7s per day to ORD in the near future. What are the chances they actually upgrade one or two of them to a 737 or A319, like BUF, ROC and ALB get?

Sorry about the ranting and off-topic question. I'm just disappointed that SYR gets screwed again.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:20 am

Some rumors, I've heard is that NW moves to concourse A. Then a new customs facility is built under concourse C. Gates 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 all have access to it. As far as routes, I think AMS will be next due to Skyteam.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 17):
We're scheduled to get 5/6 CR7s per day to ORD in the near future

Are these RJs in the ExPlus configuration? If so, the FC seating mitigates, if not negates, the effect of the loss of mainline.

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:57 pm

any guesstimates on how much of the 757 fleet will be flying transatlantic flights by this summer? Until the 787s come, it seems the 757s are the real int'l growth aircraft (via conversion) other than the couple of 777s.

Also, any guess as to what percent of the 787s will be committed to transatlantic vs transpac services - and where they will be used? (I know there has been some speculation but would like to hear the current thinking).
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting San747 (Reply 15):
Is CLE going to finally get widebody services from CO again? CLE must be the most boring place in the world to spot with the majority of traffic being 737s and ERJs...



Quoting N231YE (Reply 16):
...and I'm still wishing on star about a CLE-HNL flight. I've only seen a CO 764 at CLE once, and my, what a beautiful compliment to the airport scenery

I heard that if CLE-HNL comes, it will be 764  Wink

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 18):
Then a new customs facility is built under concourse C. Gates 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 all have access to it. As far as routes, I think AMS will be next due to Skyteam.

sweet  Smile

CO said they'd bring AMS online if they got a customs. but what would they do with the customs in A? USA3000 still needs them.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:07 pm

the only expansion i could see possible would be CLE-PDX/SAN/SLC/MEX....other than that, I dont expect much.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:18 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 22):
CLE-PDX/SAN/SLC/MEX

I thought CO flew CLE-SLC before? I could've sworn that I watched a 73G board for SLC.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting Piercey (Reply 21):
I heard that if CLE-HNL comes, it will be 764  

...if the flight ever did have a possibility, it would probably be another 752  wink 
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:23 pm

I would love to see a CLE-SNA flight but I guess that is pretty wishful thinking huh?
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 17):
So places like CMH, NYC and SYR get the shaft, and places like ROC and BUF (that are closer than SYR, mind you) remain RJs? Wow, another downgrade for Syracuse. Anyone else want to cut mainline? Who's left, NW, B6 and US? Actually, they're the only three carriers to have mainline into Syracuse now, once DL leaves.

well I am kinda surprised at CMH... I thought Chataqua would have grabed that route due to their MX base there...

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 22):
the only expansion i could see possible would be CLE-PDX/SAN/SLC/MEX....other than that, I dont expect much.

I agree, that and increases to cities like LAX, SFO, PHX, DEN and so on...

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 23):
I thought CO flew CLE-SLC before? I could've sworn that I watched a 73G board for SLC.

they havel.. I think it was a 737 like you said downgraded to a EMB...
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:44 pm

Looks to me as if CO is trying to take advantage of UA' and AA's inability to add service at ORD. Expanding at CLE would give CO more traffic on east-west routings and traffic into and out of the eastern Great Lakes region.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 24):
if the flight ever did have a possibility, it would probably be another 752

Not a chance! The 752 doesn't have the legs for that flight. If anything, the biggest aircraft would be a 762. I doubt that they would take a widebody from EWR or IAH. We could only hope it would be seasonal sat only service at best. That won't be until all other intl flights out of EWR and IAH are launched. Amsterdam is pretty much the only other destination CLE will see for a long time, atleast through 2009. CLE will grow to relieve the congestion out of ewr. There are a bunch of things on the table, we'll see if they pan out.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 26):
they havel.. I think it was a 737 like you said downgraded to a EMB...

That was Delta that ran twice daily emb's, now they run an MD-80. It's been a while since we had SLC, it was a 735.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:38 pm

US AIR backing away from Delta by no means can interpreted that future mergers are not going to happen.

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting JEdward (Reply 14):
I by no means am "in the know" at CO but speculation has certainly seemed to point towards FRA, MAD, FCO and TLV as likely candidates for expansion from IAH.

I would really like to see CLE-TLV nonstop.... that would be a dream come true, as i fly this route (currently via EWR) about 6 times a year... but again.. wishful thinking

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
"In addition, the 737-900ER will be configured with 20 first class seats, providing excellent opportunities for complimentary OnePass frequent flyer upgrades."

Completely honest statement by the management, and encouraging to business travelers to hear that CO is appointing their jets with a high number of F for the purpose of making upgrades easier.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 5):
2008 738 and 739 deliveries will net CO only 16 domestic narrowbody aircraft...

True, but also that's more seats in the jets replaced. 733 124 seats. 738 152/157 seats. 739 175 seats.

Losing 1736 seats, but gaining somewhere between 4560 and 5250 seats depending on final breakdown of 738/739 delivered in 2008.

Gaining 45 seats per 733 which gets replaced in the fleet with 739ER,
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:37 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 22):
the only expansion i could see possible would be CLE-PDX/SAN/SLC/MEX....other than that, I dont expect much.

Ahh, a return of CLE-SLC would be heaven for us COheads out here in SLC...
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting San747 (Reply 15):
...And this is coming from a SAN guy!



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 22):
the only expansion i could see possible would be CLE-PDX/SAN/SLC/MEX

SEA could be added to the year-round service list but of course I'm here, as another SAN-guy, to encourage SAN-CLE service for more than 5 days a year! I have not understood why SAN hasn't gotten the same commitment from CO for CLE service as SEA (Summer only.) FareMeasure lists the daily O&D pax between SAN and CLE as 223 and SEA-CLE at 306. When connecting traffic (especially after expansion at CLE) is added in, both routes are thin but still seem doable.

I would love to see CO grow CLE as well as SAN with additional n/s options.

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 20):

Also, any guess as to what percent of the 787s will be committed to transatlantic vs transpac services - and where they will be used?

CO has 30 787s on order, 20 firm 10 options.

From comments I've read from Larry Kellner the first batch of 20 787s will be for new growth, particularly Asia. Some routes that are currently 777s like EWR-HKG and EWR-NRT possibly would switch to 787s allowing for those 777s to be deployed to Trans-Atlantic routes.

The 10 787 options CO has are as of now for 767-200 replacement, CO has 10 767-200s that were new builds the oldest of which is from 2000. How long the 767-200 stays in CO's fleet depends on the price of fuel, the 767-200 with high fuel prices does not have a great CASM.

CO still has not fully scheduled the two new 777-200s they are to receive shortly, one is going to Brussels. They have not scheduled the other 777-200.

With 24 737-900ERs on order CO will continue to dedicate their 757-200 fleet of 41 aircraft to Trans-Atlantic routes, so far this Summer they are adding double daily flights on Lisbon (2 757s) , Madrid (757,767-400), Edinburgh (2 757s) and three daily with London and Paris(2 757s, 1 777).
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:50 am

i never truly understood why our SEA service was so limited to holiday/summer traffic. As others have stated, maybe these new city pairs along with added flights elsewhere are probably the most likely scenario we will see.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting Bucknut (Reply 28):
Not a chance! The 752 doesn't have the legs for that flight.

They could pull a NW, with a stop along the west coast (or just use a 753 instead, if CO's are ETOPS)
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
Speaking of CO and CLE, I'm wondering if FWA will be one of the first CO Connection/CommutAir cities to be upgraded from B1900s to the Q200s that they're leasing from QX.

Eventually. The rumor was the Q200's would be used to open up some new cities, but maybe that will come later, as CO irons out expansion plans.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Wonder if AF would move their seasonal CVG flight over to CLE for the summer?

Doubt it-not with CO starting CLE-CDG next summer.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 17):
So places like CMH, NYC and SYR get the shaft,

JFK doesn't necessarily get the shaft. From what I understand, the Q200 has a lot more bin space for checked baggage than the ERJ-135, and that's a big issue on that flight.

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 23):
I thought CO flew CLE-SLC before? I could've sworn that I watched a 73G board for SLC.

Correct. CO did fly that route at one time.

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 26):
well I am kinda surprised at CMH... I thought Chataqua would have grabed that route due to their MX base there...

Chautauqua picks up CLE-CMH later in the spring/summer.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 31):
I would really like to see CLE-TLV nonstop....

It's a route that has been rumored.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 36):
i never truly understood why our SEA service was so limited to holiday/summer traffic.

Join the club.

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 18):
Some rumors, I've heard is that NW moves to concourse A. Then a new customs facility is built under concourse C. Gates 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 all have access to it. As far as routes, I think AMS will be next due to Skyteam.

Heard all that, too, plus a rumor that CO wants to add some gates off of C Concurse, by taking out C-1/C-2, and making an extension to the west, kind of like a finger. Altho I don't know if that's possible-I think that would interfere with UA/AC operations on B.

Either way, this is sweet music to my ears.   

Think this might stop the "CO To Close CLE" threads?  Big grin

[Edited 2007-02-01 17:19:47]
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 35):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 20):

Also, any guess as to what percent of the 787s will be committed to transatlantic vs transpac services - and where they will be used?

CO has 30 787s on order, 20 firm 10 options

The options have been increased to 20.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:01 am

It's good to see CLE growing. I wish I could say the same for PIT and CVG that just continue to get the axe (Is DL still downsizing CVG or not?) Politics at PIT is screwed up. Sometimes I even wonder how South Korea is interested in that region. I say stay away from any political measures! If they want to know how to corrupt a city, those PIT officials from 5-10 years ago wrote the book pretty much!

Coming back to CLE, besides CDG, what other international routes are they contemplating on starting. I saw a possible Asian route brought up, but I don't think that is realistic.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:07 am

I missed the CO annoucement stating that because we are not merging CLE is set to expand; where can I find it?
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:09 am

thats b/c there is no announcement...........
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 40):
Coming back to CLE, besides CDG, what other international routes are they contemplating on starting.

Routes I've heard were AMS and FCO. I would think AMS, being the major hub for SkyTeam, would be next in line, perhaps for '09 or '10.

Quoting CO767FA (Reply 41):
I missed the CO annoucement stating that because we are not merging CLE is set to expand; where can I find it?



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 42):
thats b/c there is no announcement...........

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 31):
I would really like to see CLE-TLV nonstop.... that would be a dream come true, as i fly this route (currently via EWR) about 6 times a year... but again.. wishful thinking

Maybe not as wishful as you make it out to be.

A friend was talking about the concept of running a CLE-TLV flight and commented that connecting West Coast traffic was taking significant number of revenue F seats (to say nothing of Y) out of CO's transcon market. Moreover, when you combine both the large metropolitan area of NYC and the large cultural ties to the TLV region one finds themselves with strong demand (in both cabins) for seats O/D on the NYC-TLV sector.

...O/D seats which are potentially displaced by strong connecting traffic in from the Western and Southern parts of the states.

The point is this: NYC-TLV is a strong market for CO. It is also the only conduit CO has to send connecting traffic through to TLV. Likewise, CO transcons can also sell out in F as they not only have to accommodate strong O/D demand between the coats but also connecting J traffic being 'gatewayed' though EWR. As such, why bog EWR down further with connecting traffic (which is potentially displacing O/D traffic on both the domestic and international sector) when you can send the west coast/southwest TLV traffic through another less congested intermediary.

Enter CLE and IAH.

If CO had oodles of widebodies sitting around than I think one can make a decent argument for CLE-TLV service.

However, CO does not have oodles of widebodies lying around and I have my doubts at to whether a 752 can make it...perhaps if they installed petals and the passengers (the Y passengers that is) helped supply the plane with power...but I digress.

I do think (and please remember, think = speculate in this case) IAH-TLV will be a candidate up for consideration when the 787's get here to allow CO to capture O/D IAH-TLV traffic - and more importantly - accommodate connections throughout the South and West Coast so EWR flights can be freed up for more O/D traffic.

I'd also guess CLE's best shoot of seeing non-stop TLV service would be from displaced 762's as more and more 787's come online...I really don't see them assigning an Asia reaching bird to this but if they ever should find themselves with an abundance of 762s than I think CLE can make a strong argument.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 38):
Think this might stop the "CO To Close CLE" threads?

This is A.Net, where anythign negative will live on and the positive stuff goes by the wayside in a flash.

Quoting JEdward (Reply 44):
However, CO does not have oodles of widebodies lying around and I have my doubts at to whether a 752 can make it...perhaps if they installed petals and the passengers (the Y passengers that is) helped supply the plane with power...but I digress.

Haha, Ryanair and B6 might try this one, eh?
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:54 am

thanks, STT. I would guess that the 787 would be primarily be a TPac/S. Asia aircraft - and I would guess the majority of those would go to EWR but I can see EWR getting some action.

CLE does have some expansion potential but remember that CO at CLE is overshadowed by ORD and DTW and even CVG when it comes to international flying. Plus, there aren't a whole lot of cities served by CO from CLE that generate int'l traffic that do not also have service to EWR.

However, the fact that CO is now adding 2nd and 3rd frequencies from EWR to some destinations in Europe says it is probably time to diversify their network to include nonstops from other hubs. Assuming two hubs can both support a given flight, there is generally higher revenues to be made by operating two flights from two different hubs than by operating two flights from the same hub - since you should get the local market either way.
 
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:55 am

This is great news if it happens. While I would love CLE-HNL for personal reasons, I think the better use of a 767 would be to Europe as it will attractive high $ cargo and business traffic. As for domestic possibilities, I think we will see CoConnection handle more regional flights and move ERJs /CRJs around so there are more 73NGs available for west and east coast destination. SLC, SEA, SAN and PDX make sense, as does additional frequencies to LAX and SFO (or the Bay Area in general). Internationally, MEX, AMS make sense, FCO would do well from most any city, and perhaps some additional destinations in the Carribean, Mexico and Central America.

If they are going to build something under C in time for the CDG flight they certainly should get the ball rolling soon.
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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 37):
They could pull a NW, with a stop along the west coast (or just use a 753 instead, if CO's are ETOPS)



Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):
I'm here, as another SAN-guy, to encourage SAN-CLE service for more than 5 days a year!

Hey! I've got it!  idea 
CLE-SAN-HNL, something I've mentioned before. Win, win, win situation! CO has flirted with SAN-HNL in the past, a route that currently cries for at least one more serious competitor, and tagged onto the long-awaited SAN-CLE nonstop daily, year-round, well, it almost makes too much sense...  Wink

Just a thought, CO.  stirthepot 

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RE: No Merger/CAL To Expand CLE

Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:21 am

CLE-AMS -probably next, Intenational city
CLE-SAN - should be year round
CLE-PDX- at least seasonal
CLE-SLC - would do well
CLE-MEX- maybe, it is a skyteam hub
CLE-HNL- ya never know
CLE-TLV- has been rumored, would do well
CLE-NRT - maybe..longshot
Customs needs to be fixed and extra 2000 ft to the runway and CLE could go far.
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