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Quoting Positiverate (Reply 6): I always viewed this merger as AirTran's response to the US/DL proposal, believeing that AirTran felt they needed to do this deal to increase their relative size to a combined US/DL at ATL. I wonder if AirTran 's committment to the deal will wane now that US/DL is dead. |
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 5): I wonder if a F9/FL merger has ever been considered seriously. I know the old argument about the fleet types not matching up, but look how well USAir is doing with numerous fleet types. Maybe it doesn't matter as much as thought |
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 5): I wonder if a F9/FL merger has ever been considered seriously. I know the old argument about the fleet types not matching up, but look how well USAir is doing with numerous fleet types. Maybe it doesn't matter as much as thought. |
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 6): I always viewed this merger as AirTran's response to the US/DL proposal, believeing that AirTran felt they needed to do this deal to increase their relative size to a combined US/DL at ATL. I wonder if AirTran's committment to the deal will wane now that US/DL is dead. |
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12): Quoting Positiverate (Reply 6): I always viewed this merger as AirTran's response to the US/DL proposal, believeing that AirTran felt they needed to do this deal to increase their relative size to a combined US/DL at ATL. I wonder if AirTran's committment to the deal will wane now that US/DL is dead. Considering that the original offer made to Midwest was made in October of 2006 (And the offer was made public after the US buyout offer to DL), and US Airways' bid wasn't made public until November 15th, that's probably not the case. So unless FL had some insider info on the buyout deal, I doubt it played any role in their decision to go after YX. AirTran is pursuing Midwest in order to gain a midwestern hub in which to grow from. For the foreseeable future, their operations @ ATL is getting close to being maxed out. Even if US/DL were to have merged, it probably would have only led to a small increase in service at ATL, presumably to cities in the region that DL (or DL Connection) didn't fly to out of ATL. |
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 13): Perhaps, but their December announcement of a hostile takeover came after the US/DL news, which gives me the impression that the need to acquire Midwest became more urgent in their minds once US/DL announced. |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 11): If, and if the FL appointed folks were elected to the BOD, what real impact would it have? Is there any filibustering that the three FL appointees could carry out to help persuade the rest of the BOD or shareholders? If elected could they call for the termination of Tim Hoeksema or others on the board? Also, could they move for a termination of the poison pill? |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 11): The only problem though is that F9 is strapped for gate space at DEN just like FL at ATL. |
Quoting Mainland (Reply 1): only 38,966 Midwest shares have been tendered as of Jan 31 |
Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 17): I dont know much about stocks and stuff, so is that a lot or not really at this point for FL to pull this off? |
Quoting Mainland (Reply 19):
38,966 shares out of 18,604,442 is less than 1% of the total outstanding shares. So AirTran has a long way to go to say the least. |
Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 18): It is less than 1% of the outstanding shares of YX. Not good if that is all they can get but I'm sure that will change |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 14): I believe the urgency is to find a hub airport that they can grow that is not on the East coast and has plenty of gate space for incoming 737's. The fact that YX has some extra 717 lying around doesn't hurt either. |
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 23): So what about a merger with AS? Too expensive? |
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Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 24): One thing that keep thinking about is that everyone talks about the fact that the current offer of $13.25 per share is lower than the current trading value of MEH stock of aroune $13.50. If you look at the historical value of MEH stock it has never been this high. |
Quoting Mainland (Reply 27): Not true, MEH traded higher than $13.50 back in the late 90's. |
Quoting Sideflare75 (Reply 29): You can't just look at last year. |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 30): I enjoy the flights, I like the 2x2 seating and I would miss that compared to FL. However, I am just saying that YX's stock increase in the last 4-5 months is attributed to the tender from FL. That's all. |
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 31): I would also add that 2x2 seating on a 717 is nice, but 2x2 on those 15 or so crj200s coming is something else. Absolutely nothing to rave about at all. The crj70s are much nicer. |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 32): CRJ's are God's cruel joke to the airlines and it's customers. They are uncomfortable and the seats are too narrow. I like the fact that YX flew the FRJ's because they offered some reasonable level of comfort as compared to the CRJ's. |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 32): This is a move I don't understand YX making. If they are touting the Signature Service so much to investors and in response to FL's offer, why push new CRJ service as a plus for expansion. If the majority of YX customers are used to paying a little more for the YX experience/comfort then why not step up to a E170/75/90 and get a truly comfortable 2x2 that could be configured with real Signature Service? CRJ's are God's cruel joke to the airlines and it's customers. They are uncomfortable and the seats are too narrow. I like the fact that YX flew the FRJ's because they offered some reasonable level of comfort as compared to the CRJ's. |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 30): I'm not, look back over the last five years. Look, I am not bashing YX, I fly them to MKE and CWA appx. once per month. I enjoy the flights, I like the 2x2 seating and I would miss that compared to FL. However, I am just saying that YX's stock increase in the last 4-5 months is attributed to the tender from FL. That's all. |
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 31): but 2x2 on those 15 or so crj200s coming is something else. Absolutely nothing to rave about at all. The crj70s are much nicer. |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 32): This is a move I don't understand YX making. If they are touting the Signature Service so much to investors and in response to FL's offer, why push new CRJ service as a plus for expansion. If the majority of YX customers are used to paying a little more for the YX experience/comfort then why not step up to a E170/75/90 and get a truly comfortable 2x2 that could be configured with real Signature Service? |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 32): CRJ's are God's cruel joke to the airlines and it's customers. They are uncomfortable and the seats are too narrow. I like the fact that YX flew the FRJ's because they offered some reasonable level of comfort as compared to the CRJ's. I still believe the expansion with CRJ's was only due to the oncoming FL offer. A reactionary decision, not proactive. |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 32): I like the fact that YX flew the FRJ' |
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 37): Did they get rid of the FRJ? I thought they were still operating. |
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 22):
And a lot or almost all of those shares are probably controlled by...Airtran. |
Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 40): i dont get it.......if an airline does not want to be taken over, then why cant they just say no? |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 24): One thing that keep thinking about is that everyone talks about the fact that the current offer of $13.25 per share is lower than the current trading value of MEH stock of aroune $13.50. If you look at the historical value of MEH stock it has never been this high. I believe you can attribute the rise in the stock to the proposed buyout only. If FL withdraws its tender I believe you will see the stock fall back to below $10 easily and then the shareholders are going to be screaming "Where's my value Tim?" "Where's AirTran, come back AirTran, please!" |
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 30): I am just saying that YX's stock increase in the last 4-5 months is attributed to the tender from FL. That's all. |
Quoting Mainland (Reply 39): New SEC filing out. AirTran only owns 200 shares of Midwest, and I'd presume they were part of the 38,966 tendered |