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columba
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LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:07 pm

Yesterday I found an article that LTU is growing on long haul routes and will getting two new long haul aircraft. They will receive one in May 2007 and the other one in May 2008.
Article in German

So my question is will that be the long talked A340s or some more A330s ?
A330s seems hard to get also LTU once said they would prefer A340 because of the lower lease rates.

My other question Tuifly announced a huge Boeing order but was not naming specific aircraft it was just said that they have bought short and long haul aircraft mainly 737s.
Are there more news on that order now ? Any indications apart from the mentioning of long haul aircraft that this order contains 787s ?
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Yesterday I found an article that LTU is growing on long haul routes and will getting two new long haul aircraft. They will receive one in May 2007 and the other one in May 2008.

Two new A330-200, one for delivery in March 2008 (according to ILFC) for 8 years, the other one on 10-year lease for delivery in April 2007 as far as I understand.
Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A343/346, A359, A380,AT4,AT7,B712, B732/3/4/5/7/8/9,B742/4,B752/3, B762/763,B772/77W,CR2/7/9/K,ER3/4,E70/75/90/95, F50/70/100,M11,L15,SF3,S20, AR8/1, 142/143,... 330.860 miles and counting.
 
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:50 pm

LTU is getting a new A330-223 next year.

c/n 828 LTU leased from ILFC.


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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:02 pm

I just found the second one:

A330-223 also from ILFC for delivery 2008.


http://209.51.142.90/%7Eilfc01/viewArticle.php?id=93



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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:40 pm

The A340-300 purchase/ lease was just an unsubstantiated rumor.
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:41 pm

The TUI group has announced a large 787 order not so long ago (about 40 aircraft).

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:53 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 4):
The A340-300 purchase/ lease was just an unsubstantiated rumor.

It was a bit more than a rumor as far as I know.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
The TUI group has announced a large 787 order not so long ago (about 40 aircraft).

Do you have a link ?

Thanks for the replies !!
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
The TUI group has announced a large 787 order not so long ago (about 40 aircraft).

That's an a.net rumor. Boeing has no orders for 40 787 by TUI on his list. The last order was more likely for 737s.

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:37 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
The TUI group has announced a large 787 order not so long ago (about 40 aircraft).

A388

They did announce a huge order, but never specified the actual breakdown... most will be 737NG's for sure and "some" long haulers... but the actual breakdown is mystified. However not to mention that the order is not even in Boeing's order book.
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 7):
That's an a.net rumor. Boeing has no orders for 40 787 by TUI on his list. The last order was more likely for 737s.

Axel

It is way more than an a.net rumor: Boeing Statement on TUI Group Announcement

Edited: Sorry Axel, I taught you meant that the order was only a rumor! Yes the 787's in that order is just a rumor, however I do not know where, but I did read somewhere a line from TUI, that some long haulers are indeed in this order... but do not quote me on that, I don't remember where that line is.

[Edited 2007-02-03 13:45:38]
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 9):
I did read somewhere a line from TUI, that some long haulers are indeed in this order..

That was the reuters article about the TUI announcement which can be found in the original thread.
My question was if there is more news about it by now. After all the order was announced in early December.
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
They did announce a huge order, but never specified the actual breakdown... most will be 737NG's for sure and "some" long haulers... but the actual breakdown is mystified. However not to mention that the order is not even in Boeing's order book

I'm guessing it will be for 20 787's. The rest will probaly be for 737's.

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:23 am

Here is the quote from Reuters that mentioned long haul aircraft:

Quote:
TUI said it had ordered 65 Boeing (BA.N: Quote, Profile , Research) short- and long-haul planes, mostly 737s

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...5433468_RTRIDST_0_TUI-UPDATE-1.XML
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 7):

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Quoting A388 (Reply 5):

No, and it isnt even an a.net rumour.

TUI ordered 65 Boeing aircraft and had not disclosed types etc, although they said a lot were 737s

No mention of 787s officially, but its most likely they are. And I wouldnt be surprised if there were a few 777/747s to replace the ageing PW Corsairfly ones.
 
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
They did announce a huge order, but never specified the actual breakdown... most will be 737NG's for sure and "some" long haulers... but the actual breakdown is mystified. However not to mention that the order is not even in Boeing's order book.

Okay so the big TUI order is for the 738 most likely but is there an official link because when looking at the posts here even the 738 seems to be based on a "rumor".

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 13):
And I wouldnt be surprised if there were a few 777/747s to replace the ageing PW Corsairfly ones.

I don't see TUI or any other tour operator/charter airline ordering the 777 or 747 as they are just not popular with charter airlines. Aircraft the size of the 767/A330 and 787 are perfect fits for todays charter airlines. Besides, Corsair's 744's are not even old as in old in their fleet. I don't see them disposing of these aircraft so soon and definately don't see TUI order any other 747 aircraft type for that matter. The 787 will fit their needs just fine.

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
They did announce a huge order, but never specified the actual breakdown... most will be 737NG's for sure and "some" long haulers... but the actual breakdown is mystified. However not to mention that the order is not even in Boeing's order book.

Okay so the big TUI order is for the 738 most likely but is there an official link because when looking at the posts here even the 738 seems to be based on a "rumor".

A388

Well, I guess only a booked order could be more official, did you check the link in my reply no.9? :

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 9):
It is way more than an a.net rumor: Boeing Statement on TUI Group Announcement

Here it is again from Boeings newsreleases: Boeing Statement on TUI Group Announcement

but I agree, most likely it is mainly for 738's
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 16):
it is mainly for 738's

Some 737-700s are supposed to be in it as well as mentioned in the previous thread.
Hapagfly/Hapag Lloyd also was brought up when it came to possible candidates for the 737-900ER. Would be nice if they would indeed have ordered some.
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 16):
Here it is again from Boeings newsreleases: Boeing Statement on TUI Group Announcement

I know that link, it doesn't state any aircraft breakdown for the additional 41 aircraft ordered. I assume the order involves the 787 and 737NG.

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
Some 737-700s are supposed to be in it as well as mentioned in the previous thread.
Hapagfly/Hapag Lloyd also was brought up when it came to possible candidates for the 737-900ER. Would be nice if they would indeed have ordered some.

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:16 am

The combined airlines of the TUI Group have plenty of classic generation short and medium haul aircraft that will need to be replaced over the next few years, and obviously the German and British units will also be looking at expansion to counter the growth into their markets made by the low-cost airlines. That said, Thomsonfly and Corsairfly have significant longhaul operations which would benefit from the 787.
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting Lite (Reply 20):
That said, Thomsonfly and Corsairfly have significant longhaul operations which would benefit from the 787.

Agreed  checkmark 

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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:30 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 4):
The A340-300 purchase/ lease was just an unsubstantiated rumor.

That was definately NOT an unsubstantiated rumour. Internal briefings from senior management within LTU quite clearly stated that the Airline was in negotiations to lease 2 A340s. The reason they did not come into the Airline was the unavailability to find A340s in a suitable condition.
 
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:55 pm

The recent TUI order was for 41 Boeing aircraft as 24 737NGs had already been ordered but yet to be delivered. It is my strong belief this order is mainly for 737s , but a 787 component is included. Looking at Boeing's Orders page for last year and then looking at the various 787 UFO orders, might be of some help.
 
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
Besides, Corsair's 744's are not even old as in old in their fleet

Maybe not that old in the fleet, but they arent new aircraft, they are UAs hand me downs.
 
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RE: LTU And TUIFly LongHaul Aircraft

Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 24):
Maybe not that old in the fleet, but they arent new aircraft, they are UAs hand me downs.

Correct, but as I have mentioned already they are not old in Corsair's fleet. Corsair would not have bought or leased these aircraft if they wanted to dispose of them so soon already. Corsair's 747s will remain in their fleet for a long time to come. If they will be replaced it will most likely not be another 747 but rather something in the range of the 787 or A330.

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