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First B757 For FedEx

Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:48 pm

First of many ........

Quote from Speednews :

FEDEX purchased ex-US Airways 757-200 (27122) with RB211s from BBAM. MAE (ST Aero) will convert to freighter.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:54 pm

Long live the 75! I hope to see them continue flying for decades to come just like the 707, 727, DC-8, etc...
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 1):
Long live the 75! I hope to see them continue flying for decades to come just like the 707, 727, DC-8, etc...

I totally agree. I can't wait to see the 75 with a purple tail now!
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting Lexy (Reply 2):
I can't wait to see the 75 with a purple tail now!

Agreed....it will look awesome Big grin
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:33 am

I'm more surprised it came from US Airways. I thought they were 757 Hungary?
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 4):
I'm more surprised it came from US Airways. I thought they were 757 Hungary?

They are, but this 757 was probably lease rejected as part of their bankruptcy.

The lessor probably wasn't offering attractive lease rates to US Airways, so it got returned to the lessor.

Now, it goes to FedEx.
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 4):
I'm more surprised it came from US Airways. I thought they were 757 Hungary?

What about their 321's? Are they favoring 757's again?
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:17 am

A little preview guys, enjoy.   



We already have firm committments (LOI) for all 87 of the 757F. SIAero will be doing the cargo conversions. You'll see the first of them flying by the end of 2007.

Source: Internal email.

[Edited 2007-02-03 17:24:45]
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 4):
I thought they were 757 Hungary?

Ekk? What do you mean there ?
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:23 am

^ Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! I can't wait! LOL!
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 6):
What about their 321's? Are they favoring 757's again?

They want both for different reasons. They want the 757s for ETOPS European/Hawaii/Potential South American flights. They want the 321s to replace the domestic 757s, since the 321 doesn't have the range of the 757, it fits in nicely to take over the domestic routes (ie: PHL-Florida routes that are all pretty much 757s, etc)
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:36 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 10):
Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 6):
What about their 321's? Are they favoring 757's again?

They want both for different reasons. They want the 757s for ETOPS European/Hawaii/Potential South American flights. They want the 321s to replace the domestic 757s, since the 321 doesn't have the range of the 757, it fits in nicely to take over the domestic routes (ie: PHL-Florida routes that are all pretty much 757s, etc)

This actually was a significant reason HP/US wanted DL since they could then get access to a large 752 fleet. DL uses 752s with P&W engines, and FedEx is going after the RR powered birds. The range of the 752 and lift capability is much greater than the A321, so hence the reason why a now out of production air-frame is doing as well as it is in the used sector.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 11):
FedEx is going after the RR powered birds.

Not just RR powered, but any 757's they can get, its a lot like UPS.
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Not just RR powered, but any 757's they can get, its a lot like UPS.

All I can say is Boeing better get going!  biggrin  Get a comparable high performance replacement model based on 787 technology! It will start doing well as DL, AA, UA start looking at replacing these large fleets of 752s, many of which are now starting reach 20 years of age.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:10 am

Ok...if 757's are still in such high demand, why did Boeing end production??

 Confused
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:24 am

They were not in high demand as new build aircraft.

They are experiencing a renaissance as converted freighters and being reallocated within their existing networks to maximize their profitability.

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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting PennPal (Reply 14):
Ok...if 757's are still in such high demand, why did Boeing end production??

It surprises me, with the new life of 757s that Boeing doesn't look at re-opening the line in a serious manner.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting PennPal (Reply 14):
Ok...if 757's are still in such high demand, why did Boeing end production??

My question exactly... If the dreamliner is an in-between for the 767,and the 777 then why not offer New 757's to the frieght companies? I know the used ones are less expensive, but how long will they last compared to a newly revised model with better performance etc...etc... (BTW I am a HUGE A. fan but I see a lot of 757F's and still they climb like a bat outta hell so I kinda like them)
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 16):
It surprises me, with the new life of 757s that Boeing doesn't look at re-opening the line in a serious manner.

I wouldn't think a line would reopen. I am no expert, but I would think the man power, tooling, machinery, and the like are all working on other projects by now.

Has an aircraft company ever reopened a production line before?
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 16):
Quoting PennPal (Reply 14):
Ok...if 757's are still in such high demand, why did Boeing end production??


It surprises me, with the new life of 757s that Boeing doesn't look at re-opening the line in a serious manner.

Again, the 757 was a very modern plane in the time it was introduced, and it still is. But for airlines who carry pax with it it isn't the best option nowadays, since the 737-900/800 and Airbus A320/21 can carry almost as much people as the 757, but are way more cost friendly and smaller, making it better planes to operate it on Medium haule, with short turn-around times.

However , because of its range and MTOW, it is the No 1 for the Cargo division, and i guess the 757 will still be seen in the sky's for the next 25-30 years.
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 18):
Has an aircraft company ever reopened a production line before

Not that I know of... But the 737 will probably last forever. (I would like to see EMB take some of the smaller market now that B is gonna make the 739ER) But yeah...
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Mauriceb (Reply 19):
Again, the 757 was a very modern plane in the time it was introduced, and it still is. But for airlines who carry pax with it it isn't the best option nowadays, since the 737-900/800 and Airbus A320/21 can carry almost as much people as the 757, but are way more cost friendly and smaller, making it better planes to operate it on Medium haule, with short turn-around times.

Thats for short trips. It would still appear that the 757 is the only aircraft suitable for medium density Eastern USA-Western Europe routes. The 321 simply doesn't have the range, and so far any 737 doesn't have the combination of passenger capacity and range. Granted, it would probably be irrationally expensive to restart the line, so far the 757 is the only aircraft that fits that niche market that a lot of Airlines seemingly want to break into, and the planes are harder and harder to find.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 21):
The 321 simply doesn't have the range

As said before... I love A. But i have been told by more than a few pilots with US that the 757 will be at cruising altitude before the 321. Would that have an effect on range and performance?
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 21):
It would still appear that the 757 is the only aircraft suitable for medium density Eastern USA-Western Europe routes.

With 1000 of them already out there, there are plenty of them to be used for that purpose. Notice how airlines are taking the 757 out of the older role as 1500nm jet and replacing it there with 738/9 and A320/A321. This is because they don't carry much cargo on those routes, and because it allows an airline to have shorthaul/domestic routes covered by 1 type.

US, for example, is looking to move all it's domestic flying to the A320 platform, and move the 757 to international and pseudo international (Hawaii) routes.

CO is looking to make all domestic flying 737NG based, with only specific routes run by 753s (high density) and a few run by 752s due to the premium product (LAX-EWR flights, for example).

Even if the 757 were still available, I really doubt you'd see new build sales at a fast pace. Airlines would still buy the less expensive A321 and 737-900ER, and use their existing 757s in the more specialized roles.

757F sales might be a different story, but again, it is likely more cost effective to convert 300-400 pax models from carriers who don't want to use the 757 as a medium haul jet rather than buy new build freighters. There are plenty of carriers who would rather have A320 or 737NG for all their regional routes, and bump up to widebodies for all medium range routes (A330, 787, 767, A350, etc.)
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 16):
It surprises me, with the new life of 757s that Boeing doesn't look at re-opening the line in a serious manner.

It is literally impossible.

A new build 757 will come as part of the 737RS program. I would also imagine Airbus will try to offer something in the space.

We hear about the exciting introduction of the 757 on European routes, but very little about the large numbers of domestic routes they're being replaced on by A321s and 739s.

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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 4):
I'm more surprised it came from US Airways. I thought they were 757 Hungary?

Wadda?  eyepopping  I don't think there has ever been a Hungarian registered 757, nor have any Hungarian company ever operated one... of course it's a shame, but don't think it ever happened  sorry 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:38 am

Hungary and Hungry are relative homonyms, and the poster likely added the A without even realizing it. I thought it was funny, but seems as if the Hungarians (my ancestors) are confused by the typo...  Smile
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 8):
Ekk? What do you mean there ?



Quoting PEET7G (Reply 25):
Wadda?  eyepopping  I don't think there has ever been a Hungarian registered 757, nor have any Hungarian company ever operated one... of course it's a shame, but don't think it ever happened  sorry 

Probably a typo, I think he wanted to say "757-hungry".
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Not just RR powered, but any 757's they can get, its a lot like UPS.

IIRC, UPS ordered the first group of B-757PFs from Boeing with PW-2040s. When they exercised the options on the second group of B-757PFs, they ordered RR RB-211s.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 13):
Get a comparable high performance replacement model based on 787 technology! It will start doing well as DL, AA, UA start looking at replacing these large fleets of 752s, many of which are now starting reach 20 years of age.

They do offer one, it is called the B-787-3.
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
Hungary and Hungry are relative homonyms, and the poster likely added the A without even realizing it. I thought it was funny, but seems as if the Hungarians (my ancestors) are confused by the typo...



Quoting A342 (Reply 27):
Probably a typo, I think he wanted to say "757-hungry".

Makes way more sense than 757 Hungary Big grin I guess I am a bit too tierd, sorry  Sad
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
Hungary and Hungry are relative homonyms, and the poster likely added the A without even realizing it. I thought it was funny, but seems as if the Hungarians (my ancestors) are confused by the typo...

Guilty as charged. Didn't even realize I added the A until I read this and saw my post quoted a bunch. Even worse Firefox's spellcheck didn't notice it was wrong... well because it wasn't.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):
They do offer one, it is called the B-787-3.

Still a little large for what the mission of the 752 is to accomplish. It could be argued that it would be similar to a 753 however. Keep in mind the 752 was designed for the long trans-con type of flights such as FLL-SEA or SAN-BOS which might only require an aircraft of 175-185 people with a good sized 1st class cabin of 24-28 seats.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 7):

Beautiful. I am thrilled that we'll be seeing these beauties for years to come, AND in a great livery too!

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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting PennPal (Reply 14):
Ok...if 757's are still in such high demand, why did Boeing end production??

When your orders look like this-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#Orders

I'm not so sure it would be wise to keep the line open. Of course, if Boeing would've held off the closing of the line by probably even a year...who knows how many orders may have come in... Oh well...  indifferent 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:39 am

Will we be seeing these in ANC? I think I've only ever seen a A300 once up here, just a lot of MD-11s flying around.
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):
They do offer one, it is called the B-787-3.

The B787-3 seats 100 people more than a 757-300. Hell, the B787-3 will seat as many if not more 2 class passengers as a 767-400.

Seats aside, there are a wide variety of reasons the 757 is a great plane for many missions that you're not going to find the 787-3 on.

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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15):
They are experiencing a renaissance as converted freighters and being reallocated within their existing networks to maximize their profitability.

Well...they are experiencing a renaissance within their existing networks. The freighter thing is an afterthought: 757 conversions have been marketed for years without hardly any takers (except DHL). It's really fuel price that's the driver in replacing cargo fleets, and it's the new focus on thinner, point-to-point international flying -- for which neither the A321 nor the 738 are well-suited -- as well as a recognition, driven by CO's success, that pax will accept a much-more-efficient-than-a-widebody 752 on a transatlantic route, which was widely derided as heresy just a few years ago -- that has fueled its renaissance in pax service. Just a couple of years ago, it was widely believed that a 739 or A321 was all one needed on most 752 routes and that the 752s would just fade away -- like the L1011 much more advanced than the airliner that "replaced" it (the 737NG). No more! (Read what ATA's 757 pilots said about the 738s when they came on property. They were shocked by what crappy, antiquated systems were maintained or merely "update" by Boeing in the name of "commonality". One said that after years of flying the 752, it was hard to believe that the 738 was a Boeing product.)
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 1):
Long live the 75!

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Quoting PennPal (Reply 14):
Ok...if 757's are still in such high demand, why did Boeing end production??

i have no idea..my guess is since there are better more economic aircraft carrying the same amount of people like the 738/9 and A321, it wasnt too much in demand. but that was a great airplane with over 1000 produced.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 37):
i have no idea..

Read post 33...and follow the link...
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:04 am

the 757 looks good in FEDEX livery, its simple and nice. i just hope this plane is around for another 20-25year.


long live the B757


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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Thread starter):
EX purchased ex-US Airways 757-200 (27122) with RB211s

Will this be the first time FedEx operate RR jets? (They have some Darts on F27s operated by Empire and Mountain.)

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Not just RR powered, but any 757's they can get, its a lot like UPS.

UPS aren't adding 757s, are they? They do have both PW and RR 757s but as has been noted...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):
UPS ordered the first group of B-757PFs from Boeing with PW-2040s. When they exercised the options on the second group of B-757PFs, they ordered RR RB-211s.

All UPS 757s were new-build. 35 with PW (1987-1993) and 40 with RR (1994-1999).
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:19 am

so sad to the only airplane that really feels like a "rocket" during take-off being converted from passenger service to cargo! Truely sad!
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 41):
so sad to the only airplane that really feels like a "rocket" during take-off being converted from passenger service to cargo! Truely sad!

Um, I suppose Mojave or Marana is better?
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:15 pm

as someone who remembers a day when domestic widebody service was standard in some markets, i rue the day when i have to spend 6 hours on an airplane the size of an A320, and i think that day is coming sooner rather than later.

If i were boeing and i were smart, i would have worked from day one to develop a smaller, narrowbody version of the 787, maybe rebranded as the 797, i would have launched it simultaneously with the 787 and i would have marketed it as a 757 replacement. And, until that Airplane rolled off the assembly line, i would not have shut down the 757 line. i would not have told my potential customers "sorry, you can either accept the 737 even though it's probably too small for your needs, or you can wait 15-20 years for an airplane that doesn't even exist yet (the 737RS)" that sounds strange, but that is in effect what boeing is telling the airlines who want a new narrowbody to replace their existing, sometimes 15-20 year old 757s and MD-80s, either accept the 737 or wait 20 years for it's replacement. as much as i prefer Boeing, they're basically giving away the market to Airbus by not proactively marketing a 757 replacement today. IMHO, today's boeing should have taken a page from the book written by management in the late 70s, and developed two airplanes at once, the 787 for longhaul and the 797 for medium haul domestic routes.
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:20 pm

Just from what I was told by the Airbus rep who visited FedEx the reason that the 757 is being favoured is the number of them being retired makes them easier and cheaper to acquire than the A320/21 and since the 727 is soon reaching the end of its useful life the 757 is next closest to replace.
Of course I am surprised that they went with a RR powered bird since nothing else in their fleet has RR.
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 7):
A little preview guys, enjoy

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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 44):
Of course I am surprised that they went with a RR powered bird since nothing else in their fleet has RR.

Can you find any PW birds that aren't flying right now? Neither can they...
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 7):
A little preview guys, enjoy.

Thanks for the preview!! I had been scouring the search engines trying to find what you've just posted. Can't wait to see it flying!
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:27 pm

FXramper...You may want to point out to viewers that this is a digitally retouched photo...
 
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RE: First B757 For FedEx

Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:20 pm

While the OP posted the MSN, here's a link to the actual aircraft/reg:


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