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Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:17 am

This aircraft was featured on the homepage of A.Net.

Did this every fly or was it just a concept. I can't see where the propulsion is on it either.

Can someone shed some light on this Cair-craft or similar types.

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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:22 am

I'd have to venture to say no as it doesn't look as if it has any propulsion system to pull it through the air.
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:22 am

My opinion is that there is no obvious air propulsion system. It might be able to get momentarily into ground effect, but once the front wheels are airborne, all bets are off  Smile
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:22 am

In the movie "The Man With The Golden Gun", Christopher Plummer and Herve Villachaise escaped from James Bond back to the island lair in an AMC Hornet or Concord that converted into an airplane...similar to this one.

However, considering the size of the car (is it a Yugo or a Ford Fiesta?), its engine size (I mean, come on...), and the fact that the rear suspension looks pressed to its breaking point, I think this is more a statue or a piece of artwork than a serious attempt to fly through the air...

It does make one look twice!!  rotfl 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:23 am

Thats what happens when a bunch of German engineers get stranded at an airport, are board, and get drunk.  Smile
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 1):

D'oh! Beat me by 3 seconds  Wink
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
However, considering the size of the car (is it a Yugo or a Ford Fiesta?), its engine size (I mean, come on...), and the fact that the rear suspension looks pressed to its breaking point, I think this is more a statue or a piece of artwork than a serious attempt to fly through the air...

I would agree 100% with you. I think it used to be a VW Polo, by the way, but it had clearly seen better days by the time somebody decided to marry the car up to wings and fuselage of a 152. Not only did this beast never fly, I'd be curious if it ever turned a wheel by itself! Was it a stunt for a movie or TV show? Pretty lame anyway....
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:04 am

The car from "The Man With The Golden Gun" (one of the best bond films), there was a huge jet engine on that wing. A vitange 70's engine, no less. Yet the car had no sound protection, and Goodnight was in the trunk behind it and popped it open, not burning her hands, hair, etc...  Wink
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
The car from "The Man With The Golden Gun" (one of the best bond films), there was a huge jet engine on that wing. A vitange 70's engine, no less. Yet the car had no sound protection, and Goodnight was in the trunk behind it and popped it open, not burning her hands, hair, etc... Wink

You should submit that one to "Mythbusters"  Wink
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 8):
You should submit that one to "Mythbusters" Wink

The fact that the car flew or Goodnight didn't go deaf and get burn?

Either way I wanna see Jamie and Adam pull that one off.  Smile
 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
and the fact that the rear suspension looks pressed to its breaking point, I think this is more a statue or a piece of artwork than a serious attempt to fly through the air...

Wonder why the rear suspension looks so stressed? The Cessna 150 that I soloed in only weighed 960 lbs. empty, and this one has many of the heavier pieces (engine and cabin) cut away...

BTW, if you google this registration, you will find out that it now belongs to a Mooney wearing the almost identical colors. I found a couple of German sites with pictures of both the Mooney and the Cessna/Volkswagen Polo/Commuter II on them, but I don't read German so I have no idea what they were saying.
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
but I don't read German so I have no idea what they were saying.

Thanks - thats helpful......only joking!
 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:45 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
Wonder why the rear suspension looks so stressed? The Cessna 150 that I soloed in only weighed 960 lbs. empty, and this one has many of the heavier pieces (engine and cabin) cut away...

Leverage/torque. The tail extends way behind the car, and has a cinder block hanging from it to boot.

Now I'm thinking of buying my ex's old junker Dodge Neon and finding a wrecked pusher-type plane. Big grin
 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
The Cessna 150 that I soloed in only weighed 960 lbs. empty, and this one has many of the heavier pieces (engine and cabin) cut away...

Think "moment arm".

As far as I know the Aerocar is the only airplane/car hybrid that was ever built as more than a one-off and ever had any degree of success. There's still one flying, owned by a guy who's expressed interest in building and selling a new version, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:33 am

Don't they have actual little cars the you can put a propeller and wings on? I remember seeing it somewhere, but it was on tv and looked like something in the 60's or 70's with a minicooper or something. But what I saw on tv did look real.
 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
In the movie "The Man With The Golden Gun", Christopher Plummer and Herve Villachaise escaped from James Bond back to the island lair in an AMC Hornet or Concord that converted into an airplane...similar to this one.

I do beleive the actor was Christopher Lee (he starred in several Dracula films)
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
In the movie "The Man With The Golden Gun", Christopher Plummer and Herve Villachaise escaped from James Bond back to the island lair in an AMC Hornet or Concord that converted into an airplane...similar to this one.

It was the mighty AMC Matador!
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:52 am

How the hell can the engine in an old Polo be enough to lift that thing. It barely make the car go forward.
 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:38 am

 kiss 

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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 17):
How the hell can the engine in an old Polo be enough to lift that thing. It barely make the car go forward.

It can't, even if it was a corvette engine, as you can't make a plane fly by driving the wheels. Without a jet, propeller or some other device like that, the most you could hope for would be to drive really fast with the wings trimmed for downforce, then quickly retrim them for lift and glide a little bit.

But, what people may be ignoring is this aircraft needs no motive force at all. It could be a glider, towed into the air by a larger plane and then released...
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting SlimChance (Reply 12):
and finding a wrecked pusher-type plane.

Unfortunately, Raytheon Aircraft had destroyed most and donated some of the Starships in their possession. Although I think they saved the engines, avionics and landing gears.
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:27 am

Well one of the photos was taken at EDFV and the other at EDGS - I make those two airports 66 NM apart.

The plot thickens!
 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:00 am

Tonyban is right about the name of the actor in The Man With the Golden Gun. It was Christopher Lee, who is also Ian Fleming's nephew I believe. In pretty much any Bond movie there seems to be something to do with aviation.
As a side note, my Dad and I just aquired a C150 fuselage for a restoration project, but we need a good set if wings. I wonder if this guy delivers.  Smile
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 21):
Well one of the photos was taken at EDFV and the other at EDGS - I make those two airports 66 NM apart.

The plot thickens!

Interesting point.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
But, what people may be ignoring is this aircraft needs no motive force at all. It could be a glider, towed into the air by a larger plane and then released...

Also a good point, but the VW has all of the aerodynamic qualities of a brick. This vehicle doesn't look airworthy to me.
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:57 am

Quote:
I do beleive the actor was Christopher Lee (he starred in several Dracula films.

Thank you!! I was mistaken...wrong Christopher...

Christopher Lee was also the unfortunate soul married to Lee Grant in "Airport '77" and drowned when clobbered with the opening cargo door of the submerged Stevens Corporation 747. How did his body manage to drift out of the cargo hold? And remarkably start to rise RIGHT in front of his drunken hysterical wife?
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 24):
"Airport '77"

Thanks PanAM747........weren't those Airport films the most sillest ever made. The first one was good. The others were disasters in themselves. The one with the Concorde was almost shameful.
 
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:33 pm

I can't find pictures but, the winged Ford Pinto from 1972 and a winged 1962
Chevy Corvair never got anywhere near off the ground. The Pinto featured that exploding gas tank and fireworks are not safe in the crowded skies and Ralph Nader decreed the Corvair unsafe at any speed whether on the ground or up in the air. As they say shit happens.

Couldn't resist with this thread.
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting Richierich (Reply 23):
Also a good point, but the VW has all of the aerodynamic qualities of a brick. This vehicle doesn't look airworthy to me.

So do a ton of other planes throughout history. At low speeds, the aerodynamics of the fuselage aren't critical as long as the wings are massive...  Wink
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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:19 pm

There was the Aerobile built and flown by Waldo Waterman



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RE: Did This Ever Fly? Or Was It Just A Concept?

Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:47 pm

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This is the Taylor Aerocar 3. it actually flew. The Museum of Flight at BFI has one.

http://www.museumofflight.org/Collec...9138F6-8220-4A29-9B33-4C9A264D67FB
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