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7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:06 am

http://www.airporthaber.com/hb/detay.php?id=12726 (Turkish only, pics)

Well, last week we have seen here at a.net TC-OGO painted in SV colors.
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=584920

So the first of 7 planes starts flying domestic routes for SV today. The number goes up to 7 planes by next week. KK says the planes will be stationed, going back and forth between the two countries.
KK fleet has 16 planes, I know it is slow in Turkey now, but 7 planes leaving?
Anyone with more info on the details of this arrangement, or the duration?
Thanks.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:41 am

yes I read that article as well and was stunning about that great number! 7 planes are very much if you take the whole domestic operations into account. Which planes are leaving for SaudiArabia? Probably all A320's?
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:05 am

Yes I saw them both at Jeddah and in Ýstanbul,once again a dream of a quality domestic airline is gone to waste.Atlas was in the verge of a Bankrupt if they didnt accept this offer from Saudia.I remember the days(months I must say) I had to spend around African deserts,and ex Russian countries because of my charter company needed hot cash.It sucked then and lots of pilot friends from Atlas thinks the same now.

Another thing that when I first said that Atlas was desperate for cash,having financial problems and decided to give up its brand new A319s,one idiot in this forum accused me of jealousy(what was he thinking?) and asked if that was tought to Turkish airlines pilots.That tasteless situation should be the best answer to this stupid theory but for the first time I am really really unhappy of being right at the end,I am thinking of my friends and for their families,they have to seperate for long periods and I know from first hand that its not very nice.
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:49 am

wing some of my friends at KK are also on the list, some just came from Eritrea...it's really sad to see this happening, it wasn't in their contract and they will be away from their families for months...not my ideal style of airline  Smile

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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:52 am

Are they really that close to collapse or just short of business? and I assume Saudi got a good deal and long term contract?
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:11 am

well ill ask what's going on but since it's winter season things arent too hot....other turkish airlines such as SKY aren't doing too well either...
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 5):
well ill ask what's going on but since it's winter season things arent too hot....other turkish airlines such as SKY aren't doing too well either...

Are tourism numbers really low in winter? Is the Antalya area cold this time of year? Cyprus seems to have year-round tourism, and it is not that far away...?
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 6):
Is the Antalya area cold this time of year?

Actually, yesterday it snowed in Antalya for the first time in 10+ years. But yes ,this is the low winter season, generally temps in the upper 50s, lower 60s down south.
Tourism numbers have always been lower in Turkey, Nov-Apr.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 5):
well ill ask what's going on but since it's winter season things arent too hot....other turkish airlines such as SKY aren't doing too well either...

Nobody is doing exceptionally well at the moment in the turkish market.
Seat factors are in the low 60's in general.
I have been in touch with KK, to discuss charter ops, and the guy in charge seemed to be forever in JED. I know now why .....
I know the Int. Relationship mgr quite well, and it is sad to see what is happening. I would love to work more with them but Internationally they are very constraint to bilaterals that are mostly occuppied or controlled through or via TK/CAA.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:50 pm

I saw the first A/C in Saudia colours on Monday morning in IST. The A320 seemed great in Saudia colour scheme. I thought it was rented just for Hajj operations. It is really sad to see AtlasJet in this bad economic situation.

I hope they will find a solution..
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:46 pm

surprising that atlas hasnt ventured into international operations too much, there was talk of New York but guess that not gonna happen in there current situation and but maybe they would have made better money putting on some european routes then concentraiting heavily domesticaly?
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:55 pm

ET has 2 od Atlas's 757 on wet lease as well
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:06 pm

Four out of 7 of these will be getting their paint here in Beirut by MASCO. Two were already painted and left and 2 are expected to arrive.
These planes are getting the full SV colours in real paint and NOT just stickers like the Onur Air planes. This might mean that they may not return back to Atlas in the next few months. But what do we know?

The rest 3 were (or to be) painted elsewhere, Turkish Cyprus maybe?
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:26 pm

Quoting OD720 (Reply 12):
These planes are getting the full SV colours in real paint and NOT just stickers like the Onur Air planes.

Looks like some of those Onur Air planes will be left in SV colors for a few more weeks. According to the news today, Onur completed a three month Hajj leasings to SV carrying a total of 280,000 pax with 8 A300s, and 4 321s. SV extended the lease of 3x321s till the beginning of March to show goodwill.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:12 am

could this lease of A320's to SV open more CRJ900 orders for KK? I heard that they are very pleased with them and could operate the CRJ's very economically.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 6):
Cyprus seems to have year-round tourism, and it is not that far away...?

In terms of weather I think Turkey and Cyprus are comparable.
20mil. tourists visit Turkey each year as opposed to 3mil to Cyprus.
As far as tourist numbers this year:
-AYT got 125,446 tourist Jan 07.
-Turkey total 314,762 in Jan 07, of that 42,547 Germans, 26,597 Russians, 15,086 UK citizens. But as you can see these numbers are a small fraction of the 20mil annual number.
So, Cyrpus can have a year round tourism and can afford it, but for the scale of Turkey it will become unprofitable for smaller carriers, establishments.

Besides all the foreign carriers serving Turkish markets; TK with 104 planes, Atlasjet with 16, Onur with 27, Pegasus with 12, Sunexpress with 10, and smaller fleets of Sky, Freebird, Fly; some of these carriers are going to get hurt financially during these slow months.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:24 am

those A320s will be out there for around 6 months!
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 16):
those A320s will be out there for around 6 months!

Sounds like a good short term lease, but what then? In 6 months it will be Sept. and there they go into another cycle of slow traffic. Too bad.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
Tourism numbers have always been lower in Turkey, Nov-Apr.

That is sad that Turkey hasn't been able to market itself as a year round tourist destination. I'd rather be in IST when it is cooler during fall or spring. The black sea is also beautiful in the winter and the spring. Kayseri, Bursa, Erzurum, and Antalya could be bigger ski resorts. There are other small towns like Safranbolu that would be nice to visit during the fall. I personally think it's too hot during the summer in Turkey but then again it's mostly Europeans that go and they are freezing cold 2/3's of the year.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 18):
That is sad that Turkey hasn't been able to market itself as a year round tourist destination.

Oh no, stop before giving out all the secrets away.
Seriously, being selfish, I am soooo much happier to have the beach to myself during May, and October. The last couple of times I had to go back during Aug. for work, and it is not fun to be fighting the crowds all around.
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:29 pm

I just heard that Atlas is expecting heavy CRJ traffic this coming two weeks, heard from a F/O friend, who is actually sitting next to me lol...

did you know KK flies to Brindisi from Canakkale, on special trips to carry truck drivers?
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:42 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
KK fleet has 16 planes

How many planes left? 2X ET, 1X Eritrean, 7X SAUDI = only 6 planes left? which ones?

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
planes starts flying domestic routes for SV today

Will these birds replace ONUR AIR fleet of A321/A300?

>>>What happened to KK plans to fly transatlantic?
 
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:02 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 20):
I just heard that Atlas is expecting heavy CRJ traffic this coming two weeks, heard from a F/O friend, who is actually sitting next to me lol...

According to www.planespotters.net, the two CRJ700 KK flew are still registered as KK planes, and only one is in storage in Ljubljana. Is one back in service with KK? I understand that the leases for the CRJ700s were a bit steep, but wouldn't it still be worth it having those two in active service? If they are leasing out lots of larger planes, I'm sure 140 extra seats (70 x 2) will allow them to keep at least some presence in the market until the summer season starts again... they already have the type-certified pilots.
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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:22 am

Is Atlasjet looking for more CRJ900's to make up for the loss of the A320's? They took out 2 options when they ordered the 3 CRJ900's in 2006. Maybe they will turn these into a firm commitment.

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RE: 7 Atlasjet Planes To Fly Domestic For Saudia

Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:11 am

I dont konw their actual stand to the CRJ's but I think KK could be a very good operator of them. In my eyes they should order more of them just for their domestic schedule.

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