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cmb320
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IAH-CDG Price Differences... WOW!

Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:16 am

Greetings!

I was checking first class fares from IAH to CDG departing May 17 and returning May 21. The price difference between Continental and Air France shocked me.

Take a look.

Continental total, First Class, round trip for two people including taxes came to $10,174.40. Non-stop.

Air France total, First Class, round trip for two people including taxes and fees came to $26,636.48. Non-stop.

A price difference of $16,462.08. What gives? Did I do something wrong or am I not taking something into consideration?

Wow.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:18 am

You compared CO's BF which is J, with AF's P which is true first. CO no longer offers int'l first. Only biz
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:20 am

What is the difference for the same flights originating at CDG?

Could it be a code share deal they have? Pay more for the airline that does not have a hub? It encourages people to use their "hometown" airline in a code share/alliance situation?

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cba
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:21 am

Yeah, you're comparing first with business.

$16,000 is still a pretty fat price difference though. Is the gap between Business and First usually $8,000 per ticket?
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:22 am

Who the hell would pay over twenty-six grand for a damn plane ticket?!!?
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting Tpaewr (Reply 1):
You compared CO's BF which is J, with AF's P which is true first. CO no longer offers int'l first. Only biz

Bingo, you've hit the nail on the head.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Who the hell would pay over twenty-six grand for a damn plane ticket?!!?

 cheerful  I have, and will again, only on CO, EOS, AA or BA
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Tpaewr (Reply 1):
You compared CO's BF which is J, with AF's P which is true first. CO no longer offers int'l first. Only biz

So how do they compare? Would CO's BusinessFirst product be more in line amenity-wise with AF's First or Business?
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Who the hell would pay over twenty-six grand for a damn plane ticket?!!?

Actually, it is 2 plane tickets, so it's $13k per ticket. I still agree with you though, that is a bit steep.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:40 am

I got different fares to those:


If you stick to those exact dates, I got a Business Class ticket with AF for $8723.24pp. If you go on the 16th returning the 23rd, it's $3006.24pp. A big difference between those!

CO is looking for $4791pp, or $4642 via EWR. If you move the dates around, you can get it for $3909, or $2868 via EWR.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting CMB320 (Reply 7):
So how do they compare? Would CO's BusinessFirst product be more in line amenity-wise with AF's First or Business?

I was wondering the same thing. Anyone on here able to do a compare and contrast?
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:39 am

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Not worth that large of a price difference in my opinion.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:57 am

I have flown both. (paid for neither). P is clearly better than J. About the money....if you were vactioning in a poor nation, the money you drop on a steak would seem wild and wasteful to a local. But it isn't to you!
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 6):

I have, and will again, only on CO, EOS, AA or BA

I have my doubts about people who feel a need to tell people, unsolicited, about how much they spend for things or how much their possessions are worth. What are you trying to prove?

Regardless, I doubt CO even sells a fare in excess of $10,000, let alone $26,000, and a person who can throw around that kind of money for air travel should be spending it much more wisely, i.e. in the private charter/fractional game. You can set your own schedule, pick your own plane, tailor the service to fit your needs, avoid the hassle of security, no waiting in lines, faster flight times, and enjoy truly personal service (you are the only passenger).

I have been fortunate enough to experience a small number of long haul private flights on the G-IV, G-V, and BBJ, and let me tell you, the total experience blows any commercial product, F/J or otherwise, completely out of the water. If you have the means, it is the ONLY way to fly.

Just my  twocents .
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:02 am

Wellless you forget that most of the AF CDG traffic is oil traffic going onward to mainly africa...and oil companies are awash in cash, then I no they have no problem in paying for those big $$$ tickets....

Alot of oil companies insist that their employees fly first or business, because once they hit the ground they are roughing it.......in fact, my brother works for jsut such a company and they sent him first class...AF.....IAH-CDG-Casablanca-Congo-Angola.....dropped off a package then quicky checked an engineeringg problem and got back on the plane....he literally spent 22 hours at his final destination....

That is why IAH is a very high yielding station for AF.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 6):
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Who the hell would pay over twenty-six grand for a damn plane ticket?!!?

I have, and will again, only on CO, EOS, AA or BA

You would pay USD 26K to fly on American Airlines! Wow. Listen, I need some extra money. Feel free to send me some.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:39 am

Why pay fo first when you can just fly coach, and upgrade using miles  Smile

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Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:18 am

Here's an idea: Endure Y class for 8/10 hours and when you get home, buy a decent brand new car with the 24 grand you saved! You will survive. Also, F class can't possibly be worth it for 13 grand each, unless they load you up with a bunch of free crap (bose headphones, pajamas made from gold, caviar to go, wine bottles to go, etc.).

I know the beginning of this post may sound like I am taking a hit at you, but I am not. Just making a suggestion.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:26 am

Or better... buy Y and use some extra cash for a 5* hotel in Paris. Extend your stay for one more day in order to rest after your Y class trip and enjoy the 24K savings!

Or... buy a Round the world Ticket like IAH-CDG-DXB-NRT-LAX-IAH on C !!!!

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Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
IAH-CDG-DXB-NRT-LAX-IAH on C

 rotfl 
I think we can all agree, F is not worth it in this case!
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:50 am

It just does not sound right to me at all.. I just searhced for the end of Feb First class on IB, DL, CO, BA and UA, to diffrent places and the most expensive was to CPT which was only $6018.00 and leaving out of BQN which is very expensive.. BQN to:

DEL $3956.55
BKK $3888.20
NBO $4001.00
KWA $4220.60
SYD $5433.70
SIN $4553.70
EZE $3899.00
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:53 am

BQN-EWR-AMS-FCO-DXB-PEK-BKK-NRT-HNL-SFO-EWR-BQN: $11,202.50 Coach. All Skyteam. Earn ur Miles Boy!!
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:30 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 13):
Regardless, I doubt CO even sells a fare in excess of $10,000, let alone $26,000, and a person who can throw around that kind of money for air travel should be spending it much more wisely, i.e. in the private charter/fractional game.

They do sell quite a few of those tickets, I have purchased several pairs between 2003-2006.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 13):
You can set your own schedule, pick your own plane, tailor the service to fit your needs, avoid the hassle of security, no waiting in lines, faster flight times, and enjoy truly personal service (you are the only passenger).

Why do that when I can fly on the Proud Bird with the "semi-" golden tail??

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 13):
If you have the means, it is the ONLY way to fly.

No no no doofus, Western and TWA were the ONLY way to fly.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting Bqnco (Reply 20):
It just does not sound right to me at all.. I just searhced for the end of Feb First class on IB, DL, CO, BA and UA, to diffrent places and the most expensive was to CPT which was only $6018.00 and leaving out of BQN which is very expensive.. BQN to:

Unlikely since IB,DL,nor CO offer first class anymore! It was Biz you priced. All of you are shopping with your own wallets. If you were going to close on a 80 million dollar deal 26k isn't anything.


The real question is who offers 3 cabin service to BQN?!? Big grin
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:29 pm

Flying first on AF can be great but most of the A340s and A330s to the US seem to have dropped P class altogether and just have J. However their 777's have P to the US.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:30 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 14):
Wellless you forget that most of the AF CDG traffic is oil traffic going onward to mainly africa...and oil companies are awash in cash, then I no they have no problem in paying for those big $$$ tickets....

Alot of oil companies insist that their employees fly first or business, because once they hit the ground they are roughing it.......in fact, my brother works for jsut such a company and they sent him first class...AF.....IAH-CDG-Casablanca-Congo-Angola.....dropped off a package then quicky checked an engineeringg problem and got back on the plane....he literally spent 22 hours at his final destination....

That is why IAH is a very high yielding station for AF.

Just have to speak my piece here....roughing it is relative. The American GIs flying overseas to fight in the various unpleasentnesses' that are going on right now are 'roughing' it as well; and they fly over (typically) on TZ (L15), Omni (D10), or WOA (D10/M11). With few exceptions on Omni and WOA, the jets are all coach hi-density with 31" pitch and 10-across (3-4-3) seating. Most, if not all, of the flights end up COMPLETELY full (yes, the middles too).

With few exceptions, most of us were very happy to have a normal seat (I was ecstatic to get on the M11, D10, and L15 again), and not end up in the back of a C-130 for 24+ hours.

For the record...I was not roughing it while stationed in Turkey (great country, btw!); the troops going on to further destinations, however, had a far less-pleasent time.
 
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Here's an idea: Endure Y class for 8/10 hours and when you get home, buy a decent brand new car with the 24 grand you saved! You will survive. Also, F class can't possibly be worth it for 13 grand each, unless they load you up with a bunch of free crap (bose headphones, pajamas made from gold, caviar to go, wine bottles to go, etc.).

Although I agree that $26K is a bit steep, I don't agree with your argument. As mentioned above, companies fly their employees in business for them to arrive refreshed at their destination and be ready to go to work (works usually when flying East and arriving at your destination in the early morning).

An example. Me and two of my colleagues flew from SIN to SYD for a three hour meeting with one of our clients south of Sydney. Total cost of the trip for the three of us was around $18K. Pricey for a three hour meeting? Yes. Worth every penny? Totally! The information we got was very valuable for our strategy. FYI, I work for a mining company. Have you seen the nickel price lately? When companies do good, the perks seem to be pretty good as well.

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Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 13):
I have my doubts about people who feel a need to tell people, unsolicited, about how much they spend for things or how much their possessions are worth. What are you trying to prove?

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Quoting Coal (Reply 26):
When companies do good, the perks seem to be pretty good as well.

Yeah, but no need to through it in the faces of those of us that have to pay our own way.

If the goal is to be rested, wouldn't Y plus a day or two in a nice hotel be cheaper? You'll probably hit back with the "our time is too valuable" argument, which may be true in some cases, but in others I suspect is just an attempt at justifying a ridiculously high wage.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:01 pm

I have noticed the same price issue in trying to book coach tickets to CDG from BOS in coach!
Air France always seems to be more expsensive....unless in connect in JFK?

BOS-CDG $1000.00 non-stop
JFK-CDG $735.00 Non-stop

Why such a big difference between NYC and BOS
 
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Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 22):

No no no doofus, Western and TWA were the ONLY way to fly.

Way to sound intelligent...is this 2nd grade recess?

If you want to nitpick, then I'm sure Wally would disagree with your assertion that TWA should be in the company with Western as the only way to fly, don't you think?
 
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Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
Who the hell would pay over twenty-six grand for a damn plane ticket?!!?

HOW MUCH WOULD NETJETS COST?
 
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Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 29):
If you want to nitpick, then I'm sure Wally would disagree with your assertion that TWA should be in the company with Western as the only way to fly, don't you think?

If go back into the history of both airlines, you'll see they both originated as Western Air Express, and when the split happened after Pop Hanshue left T&WA to Jack Frye, he kept the SLC-LAS-LA-SAN routing as Western Air Express.
 
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Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:44 pm

Still, Wally had no affiliation with TWA...
 
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Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting Coal (Reply 26):
Total cost of the trip for the three of us was around $18K. Pricey for a three hour meeting? Yes. Worth every penny? Totally!

But would the trip be worth $78,000 ?
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COEI2007
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:24 am

I aint ever gonna pay that amount of money for an airline ticket! $5000, let alond $10000, is a rediculous amount of money to spend on a seat for a couple of hours. Granted, I'm young, and dont earn that much money, but unless my company was paying for it, I wouldnt splurge on a First Class or Business seat. I guess workin for an airline has spoilt me!
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 33):
But would the trip be worth $78,000 ?

It depends on what your occupation is, and how important that meeting in Barcelona (or wherever) is for your company. There are somewho purchase 1st Class for their own, true, and as CODC10 pointed out, is a very few indeed, but there are some.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 16):
Why pay fo first when you can just fly coach, and upgrade using miles Smile

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Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 28):
Why such a big difference between NYC and BOS

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that AF has a monopoly on the BOS-CDG market, and thus can set the price higher. The NYC-CDG market is served by DL, CO and AF: this added competition drives prices down.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:19 am

Almost all airlines have a wide variety of corporate discount arrangements with major companies that permit travel in business class and often first class at much less than published fares. US carriers in particular, at least from Europe, often have deals that permit travel in first class at the published business class fare. On many flights, and especially on routes with lower premium class demand, the number of passengers in first or business class who are paying the official published fare is probably in the extreme minority. And of course many are using frequent flyer miles.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:15 am

It's all very relative. When the person flying is going straight to work/straight into a meeting and the stakes are high, $26,000 is nothing. If a plant is offline and an engineer needs to be flown in to fix it, the downtime costs can run into the thousands of dollars PER MINUTE considering fixed costs, etc. Likewise, going into a meeting to negotiate a multi-million dollar project is not something you'd want to do after enduring 30 hours in Y. Yes it's done, no it's not ideal. J class nowadays is really good enough, which is why F/P is going away. Also, P fares are generally extortionate. If you're heading to CDG and have to take a nonstop, AF knows it and are going to gouge the hell out of you. They're far worse than BA in this regard. To a beyond point though, AF generally sell F fares that are lower.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 38):
If you're heading to CDG and have to take a nonstop, AF knows it and are going to gouge the hell out of you. They're far worse than BA in this regard. To a beyond point though, AF generally sell F fares that are lower.

Has anyone checked nonstops on AA to LHR from almost ANY US gateway? LOL, amazing.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:55 am

For that kinda money you could get yourself an 07 Honda Civic Si and a Jamaican vacation and still got change. Damn!
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 33):
But would the trip be worth $78,000 ?

I think the $26K were for two people, not just one.

Think of how much more money you could make with crucial market info.

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Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:07 pm

Quoting Coal (Reply 41):
I think the $26K were for two people, not just one.

 checkmark  that's what the thread starter originally said, it was priced for 2 people.
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:33 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 16):
Why pay fo first when you can just fly coach, and upgrade using miles

and we wonder why airlines are loosing money...?  no 
 
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Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:25 pm

Some of the younger members of this forum, don't understand the concept of airfares as an investment.

If you have employees who are going to be completely wasted after 18 hours in Y and they have to negotiate for you a deal with $100 million, and if they stuff it up, then I'd bet that you'd rather have spent $10,000 on a J ticket so that the deal would have gotten through.

I flew SYD-LAX-JFK on QF107 in November. This was a leisure trip, but next to me was a gentleman going to NYC on a business trip. He looked awful when he got off the plane; as did I. If I had to wake up the next morning and get a $100 million deal done - there was no way I could have done it.

Some of you need to consider the fact that in order to earn money, you need to spend it.
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Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Cba (Reply 36):
The NYC-CDG market is served by DL, CO and AF

and AA, AI

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