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keny156
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AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:02 am

My aunt is actually comming in on this flight and said that they are stopping in HNL for unknown reasons. Its a full flight, It would be funny if they sent everyone back to NRT like they did the MIA-GIG flight that was diverted. Also i flew AA 61 DFW to NRT in the summer and we were diverted to alaska due to an engine oil leak indicator. They had so sent an another 777 and we stayed overnight there. What is going on with the maintance at AA and the 777 its only what 7-9 years old? Anyone have any info as the the cause of the diversion?


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL176

[Edited 2007-02-09 19:08:40]
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:22 am

I think this might be an error. HNL is WAY south of a DFW-NRT-DFW flight plan.



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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Keny156 (Thread starter):
What is going on with the maintance at AA and the 777 its only what 7-9 years old?

Nothing adverse--it's first-rate. Any aircraft (even a brand new one) is capable of having a technical issue, and when they happen, they're dealt with, and that sometimes involves a diversion to the nearest airport. Should they have happened at all? In a "perfect" world, they wouldn't, but we all know it's not a perfect world out there.

It's a little hard to consider two different flights almost a year apart and conclude there's some kind of "trend" going on, let alone that there's something afoot with AA's MX or the 777. It might seem that way to you since "100%" of the flights (2 of 2) you/your aunt have flown have had problems, but if there have been, say, 1000 flights (that you haven't flown) in that year and only 2 problems, that 100% percentage drops to 0.2%.

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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Keny156 (Thread starter):
What is going on with the maintance at AA and the 777 its only what 7-9 years old? Anyone have any info as the the cause of the diversion?

well, that's 2 diversions out of how many flights? it's pretty low... I wouldn't think it was cause for concern...
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Ual747 (Reply 1):
I think this might be an error. HNL is WAY south of a DFW-NRT-DFW flight plan.

Aren't you assuming that the Great Circle route at that site was the one actually planned and filed? Great Circle doesn't account for the winds, and the flight was probably routed to take advantage of the jetstream's tailwinds.

It's all a moot point anyways; I don't think think there's any doubt amongst the HNL employees that there's an "extra" AA 777 there...  Wink
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keny156
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:45 am

its not an error she called to say that we dont need to pick her up from the airport bc they landed in HNL for some reason, and they told her that they expect at least an 8 hour delay.
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this is a pic of AA 70 NRT-LAX flight i took 12/30/06.

the flight numbers are pretty heavy too with 15/15 in f 35/35 in c and 153/193 in y, i guess not bad in y but still alot of ppl to ferry back to DFW.
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Ual747 (Reply 1):
I think this might be an error. HNL is WAY south of a DFW-NRT-DFW flight plan.

Generally, the eastbound flights take a minimum time track. That track, especially this time of year, isn't even close to the great circle route. It rides the jetstream across the pacific.
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
Quoting Keny156 (Thread starter):
What is going on with the maintance at AA and the 777 its only what 7-9 years old?

Nothing adverse--it's first-rate. Any aircraft (even a brand new one) is capable of having a technical issue, and when they happen, they're dealt with, and that sometimes involves a diversion to the nearest airport. Should they have happened at all? In a "perfect" world, they wouldn't, but we all know it's not a perfect world out there.

And why do we assume it was a maintenance issue? It could have been a medical emergency.

In this case the aircraft is presently OTS in HNL because of a squirrel in the cockpit.

They are sending a field trip from LAX search and remove said squirrel.....



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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting Dc10hound (Reply 7):
the aircraft is presently OTS in HNL because of a squirrel in the cockpit

Are you serious? An actual rodent? I guess that the greatest threat would be squirrels propensity to chew wiring? Would that be the reasoning behind teh diversion?

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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting Ual747 (Reply 1):
I think this might be an error. HNL is WAY south of a DFW-NRT-DFW flight plan.



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 6):
Generally, the eastbound flights take a minimum time track. That track, especially this time of year, isn't even close to the great circle route. It rides the jetstream across the pacific.

 checkmark  When I took AA NRT-DFW, we tracked considerably South of the GC route, and made landfall btwn SFO and LAX. This was in 10/2005.
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:17 am

The squirrel was also seen on the same aircraft N7AJ on the 4th in JFK. It was seen running around in the First Class Galley. It was decided that since they could not find it without delaying the flight to go ahead and let the flight go.

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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting Keny156 (Thread starter):
It would be funny if they sent everyone back to NRT like they did the MIA-GIG flight that was diverted.

Well that was a different case. The MIA-GIG flight was diverted to an airport where AA does not have many flights or other ways to accommodate passengers. The easiest thing was to send them back to MIA.

In this case though, there are many ways to get the passengers back to the mainland because AA has many flights to Hawaii. And Hawaii is in the United States, nothing like landing in your own country.
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 9):
When I took AA NRT-DFW, we tracked considerably South of the GC route, and made landfall btwn SFO and LAX. This was in 10/2005.

The westbound flight always tracks northward over Wyoming then Alaska.

The eastbound flight always shoots straight across.

Pretty good tailwinds going eastbound. Longer track. Shorter flight time.
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Keny156 (Thread starter):
What is going on with the maintance at AA and the 777 its only what 7-9 years old? Anyone have any info as the the cause of the diversion?

So much for it being a maintenance issue. Try to be more open minded.
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:26 am

My Guess is that with a choice to rerout to ANC or HNL (for whatever reason) HNL was chosen because it had more avaialble flights to re-route passengers on (if needed) than ANC has.

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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:31 am

Look at what is published on the site the OP posted as its last planned route (the flight that was diverted to HNL):

CHOSH2 GUPPY OTR13 SEALS 3600N 15000E
3600N 16000E 3500N 17000E 3400N 18000E
3300N 17000W 3300N 16000W 3500N 15000W
3800N 14000W 3900N 13000W DACEM SUPER
LIDAT J92 BLD J72 TXO UKW9

obviously that is waaaay south of the great circle route, and not that far from HNL (a lot closer than any airport in alaska). Obviously it was following the jetstream.
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:51 am

I am sure the spotters at HNL are loving seeing a AA 777 on the ground instead of AA's 763's and 752's
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:43 am

Gee...first the 767 last spring with supposedly 1000 mice onboard and now a squirrel on the 777. Worse...the rodent was seen in the galley area 4-5 days earlier and the aircraft still flew!! First thing that comes to mind is the animal had to eat so guess what was on the dinner plate??? At least the squirrel went after the first class stuff..no dummy there!
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 16):
I am sure the spotters at HNL are loving seeing a AA 777 on the ground instead of AA's 763's and 752's

Yep. It is parked on the North Ramp as of now, 23:13 HST.
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:38 pm

Did they ferry in a plane or just reroute everyone on other carriers?
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:46 pm

It is scheduled to reposition back to DFW at 0630 HST (Feb10th), assuming the passenger without a ticket is removed in the proper timeframe. That would put it in DFW at 1700ish. I'm sure these times are just a guess. The remarks I read said they were protecting all pax on the first available flights.
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting DFW13L (Reply 20):
It is scheduled to reposition back to DFW at 0630 HST (Feb10th), assuming the passenger without a ticket is removed in the proper timeframe. That would put it in DFW at 1700ish. I'm sure these times are just a guess. The remarks I read said they were protecting all pax on the first available flights.

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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:26 pm

I have flown on the AA DFW NRT route for years and have only been delayed or diverted once and that was on one of the old MD-11's
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 12):
The westbound flight always tracks northward over Wyoming then Alaska.

The eastbound flight always shoots straight across.

Not true. I have flown the route on AA every six to eight weeks for about ten years.

Westbound I have gone as far north as Edmonton before heading toward Alaska, and as far south as SFO. About 85% of my fllights go across SEA/YVR area, skirt BC and southeastern Alaska, south of ANC, skirt the Aleutians and straight to Japan.

Eastbound normally heads back toward ANC on a slightly more southerly route...but by no means a straight line normally, and often re-enters US just north of SFO, but have hit the SEA/YVR route, also. As others have said, this time of year with tailwinds, it does a more 'straight across' route, but that is not the norm.
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:56 am

Why would AA take such a southernly routing for a Narita to DFW flight ? Seems Seattle would have been a better stop.
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting BALAX (Reply 13):
So much for it being a maintenance issue. Try to be more open minded

Yeah, really! Please consider all possibilities such as snakes on a plane, a woman giving birth to quintuplets, space aliens and of course, persistent smoking in the lavatory despite warning.

It is so narrow minded -- and unfair to all mankind-- to assume a plane is being diverted for a highly unlikely mechanical issue. Jeez guy!
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):
Yeah, really! Please consider all possibilities such as snakes on a plane, a woman giving birth to quintuplets, space aliens and of course, persistent smoking in the lavatory despite warning.

Exactly. It wasn't a maintenance diversion as shown. It was merely an assumption that it was related to mtc. when it wasn't just because of his previous experience.
 
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RE: AA 176(NRT-DFW) Diversion To HNL

Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:34 am

Any snakes? I heard they grounded a few flights.

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