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AA Commited With MDE.

Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:43 pm

During the following 3 months AA will highlight Medellin, and Cartagena in Colombia on their in flight magazine NEXOS.
AA Vice-president for Latin America and the Caribbean, presented the edition to the governor of Antioquia, showing him the commitment from AA to promote MDE and Antioquia around the world.
Very good photography, and a very nice article.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:28 pm

Since when did they start flying to CTG?
I knew AV flew CTG-MIA, but AA does too?

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 1):
Since when did they start flying to CTG?
I knew AV flew CTG-MIA, but AA does too?

AA does not fly to Cartagena, but is closely studying flying to Cartagena and Pereira next year.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
AA does not fly to Cartagena, but is closely studying flying to Cartagena and Pereira next year.

I was misled. I didn't think they flew there. AA at CTG could probably do very well.
Thanks.

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:35 pm

I don't think an airline has to fly to a destination in order to promote it. Long as it serves the country in question I guess.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
Very good photography, and a very nice article

That is nice to hear. Is NEXOS available online?

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 1):
I knew AV flew CTG-MIA, but AA does too?

PEI-CTG-MIA seems to be doing well for AV, judging by the fact that it will be increased to 5 x weekly, at the expense of PEI-BAQ-JFK that will be reduced to 2 x weekly.
It would be good to have further presence of AA in Colombia.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:45 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 5):
That is nice to hear. Is NEXOS available online?

good question, sounds very intresting!


A question, is it foreseeable that AA would upgrade the MDE route to a double daily route? would be much nicer to see daily 2 738 instead of a daily 767 or A300 ...
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:48 pm

AA will be adding two weekly flights to Medellin this summer operating on Mondays and Saturdays during July and August, also a 738.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
SA)">AA will be adding two weekly flights to Medellin this summer

Great. Let's see if Avianca also adds seasonal flights like they did this past winter.

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:13 am

And, I'll ask again...

When are we getting DFW-BOG ????  Smile
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting SABE (Reply 9):
When are we getting DFW-BOG ????

Not happening. USA-Colombia traffic is extemely centered on the East Coast. There is no reson for it. You will see more MIA-BOG service or JFK-BOG before DFW-BOG.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:33 am

AA does NOT fly wide-body's (763/AB6) to MDE. For now, just 738...used to fly 757 on that route.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Not happening. USA-Colombia traffic is extemely centered on the East Coast. There is no reson for it. You will see more MIA-BOG service or JFK-BOG before DFW-BOG.

I am still waiting a DFW-BOG flight.... as mentioned in other treats, the DFW flight could be used beside texas for the complete west-coast and some mid-west destinations. LAX and CHI have bigger colombian comunitys...
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):

I am still waiting a DFW-BOG flight.... as mentioned in other treats, the DFW flight could be used beside texas for the complete west-coast and some mid-west destinations. LAX and CHI have bigger colombian comunitys...

You'll be waiting a very long time. American's Dallas-Latin America flights, outside of Sao Paulo and Mexico, are not stellar performers in the first place. Their main purpose is to divert lower-yielding connecting traffic off of the Miami/New York City flights. Dallas-Caracas has never been a strong route, for example, but it is good yield protection. Bogota does not need the yield protection, and won't be getting a Dallas flight.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:29 am

Whatever happened to poor barranquilla ? Since AA quit there Avianca has DOWNSIZED to an MD-83 from a 757. My poor mother keeps getting abused by Avianca every time she goes to BAQ. AA operated that route for 12 years, why is it now toxic to fly to BAQ ? AA the coast of Colombia needs youas mush as the interior.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 14):
Whatever happened to poor barranquilla ? Since AA quit there Avianca has DOWNSIZED to an MD-83 from a 757. My poor mother keeps getting abused by Avianca every time she goes to BAQ. AA operated that route for 12 years, why is it now toxic to fly to BAQ ? AA the coast of Colombia needs youas mush as the interior.

How many millions of time are you going to ask this when you very well know the answer. American Airlines had to give up Barranquilla in order to fly to Medellin. Simple as that.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:52 am

What about JFK-BOG? And how strong is the possibility of Cartagena and Pereira?
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:36 am

MAH4546,

I was born in Barranquilla and have flown there many times in 707, 720, 727-100, 727-200, A300, 747-100 and Md-83, almost every plane since the jet age. Miami to Barranquilla is the most important international route from there, period. Its like LHR to JFK from London or HKG to LHR or SIN to LHR or Sydney. You can be an expert on the local traffic patterns in Scandanavia, I won't pretend to know as much as you do about it but leave the Barranquilla-Miami debate to those of us who have a vested interest in getting a second airline on the route, and AA is the most obvious US candidate for it, I don't see BAQ to any other US city working.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17):
but leave the Barranquilla-Miami debate to those of us who have a vested interest in getting a second airline on the route, and AA is the most obvious US candidate for it, I don't see BAQ to any other US city working.

There is no debate. Americans Airlines cannot fly to Baranquilla right now, it is that simple. They gave it up to fly to Medellin. You ask about MIA-BAQ on a more than weekly basis, you get an answer as to why AA doesn't fly to BAQ, yet you still continue to ask and ask. The reason is simple: American Airlines gave up authority to fly to Barranquilla in exchange for Medellin. Maybe if they ask for BAQ again, the Colombian government will be nice and give it back, but seeing how protective they are, I doubt it.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
AA does not fly to Cartagena, but is closely studying flying to Cartagena and Pereira next year.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Americans Airlines cannot fly to Baranquilla right now, it is that simple. They gave it up to fly to Medellin.

So would AA have to give up MDE or CLO to begin a flights to PEI and CTG?

Is there a limit on the number of flights, US gaitways and/or seats AA can put on to BOG, CLO and MDE?

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:10 am

Any words on the schedules of the extra AA flights to MDE?
Maybe I'll be able to get some shots of AA metal in an hour different than 8am.
I'm glad to see we're being promoted on NEXOS.


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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 20):

So would AA have to give up MDE or CLO to begin a flights to PEI and CTG?

No. A more liberal Colombia-USA air treaty went into effect in January 2006 that would allow AA to fly to CTG and PEI. CTG especially is not heavily protected and Colombia is very willing to allow new services to the city, since it is a huge benefit for the local tourism industry. The Colombian government subsidises losses on Avianca's MIA-CTG flight, although the flight is now profitable again.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 20):
Is there a limit on the number of flights, US gaitways and/or seats AA can put on to BOG, CLO and MDE?

AFAIK, no, there are no limits on frequency or capacity.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 21):
Any words on the schedules of the extra AA flights to MDE?

AA 919 MIA 1005-1220 MDE 738 MoSa
AA 910 MDE 1310-1425 MIA 738 MoSa
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17):
Miami to Barranquilla



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17):
Its like LHR to JFK from London or HKG to LHR or SIN to LHR or Sydney

Pass the doobie, brother Big grin WTF are you smokin'? Comparing MIA-BAQ to JFK-LHR? I've flown this route, and the MD-83 seemed like the right plane for it. I think a daily 752 would be too big. Plus, with the move of Cerrejon to Bogota there is much less business traffic ex-BAQ.

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Not happening. USA-Colombia traffic is extemely centered on the East Coast. There is no reson for it. You will see more MIA-BOG service or JFK-BOG before DFW-BOG

You never know. The demographics are moving constantly. Colombian in the US are distributed as follows:

- L.A: 11%
- San Fco: 3%
- D.C.: 4%
- Miami: 18%
- Orlando: 2%
- Tampa: 5%
- Chicago: 3%
- New Jersey: 14%
- New York: 9%
- Houston: 5%
- Rest of the U.S.: 26% --> (Dallas will be about 1.8% but it was 1.2% in October 2006.)

(Date of Analysis: January 2007)

Quoting Coal (Reply 22):
with the move of Cerrejon to Bogota there is much less business traffic ex-BAQ.

Hey Coal, con you please elaborate on this? I am very interested. Does this mean that if you need to go to "El Cerrejon" you will fly from BOG? Which aircraft? Last time I went it was from BAQ an it was on a Dash-8. I thought it was given to Satena this year but also from BAQ...

Note: ("El Cerrejon" is the biggest coal mine / villa in Colombia-, located in the north coast of Colombia, on the tip of South America)
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 23):
Hey Coal, con you please elaborate on this? I

I think he meant administrative offices, which are now loceted in a brand new building by Calle 100 and 19th Ave.
So probably not too many executives from Cerrejon in the BAQ flights these days.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
The Colombian government subsidises losses on Avianca's MIA-CTG flight

How does this happens?? Please do elaborate on this issue.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 14):
Whatever happened to poor barranquilla ?

I have a better idea: if you're so sure on how profitable a second BAQ-MIA would be for AA, or in that case, anyone who serves it, why don't we start collecting a few bucks, lease a 734 and lets do all of us the route. how's that for some competition to AV in the route???

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 24):
How does this happens?? Please do elaborate on this issue.

If the route loses money, the government pays Avianca however much it loses. Colombia thinks the route is very important because they consider Cartagena their "paradise mecca", so having a non-stop link to the US is key to tourism, even though the route is still mainly VFR and the only Americans who know Cartagena exists are South Americans living in Miami. The route makes money now, though. Back in 2002-2003, Avianca/ACES were planning on discontinuing the route. The Colombian government stepped in to save it.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:03 am

Coal,

Everything in proportion, to BAQ Miami is the most important international route. JFK to LHR is a far different animal but for JFK it is the biggest international route. And since you asked I like to smoke H. Upman cigars from the Dominican Republic.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
American's Dallas-Latin America flights, outside of Sao Paulo and Mexico, are not stellar performers in the first place. Their main purpose is to divert lower-yielding connecting traffic off of the Miami/New York City flights. Dallas-Caracas has never been a strong route, for example, but it is good yield protection. Bogota does not need the yield protection

Thanks for your insight, Mark, it is always appreciated. So, to make sure I understand your point: prior to starting DFW-EZE or DFW-SCL, AA looked at the statistics of all the passengers flying from the US to those destinations, most of which were connecting through MIA, and decided to start the DFW flights to divert the schmucks like me from TUS-DFW-MIA-EZE into TUS-DFW-EZE so that they could sell my seat to someone flying just MIA-EZE for a higher yield?

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 23):
You never know. The demographics are moving constantly. Colombian in the US are distributed as follows:

Ricardo, thanks for the humbers. Does this explain why CO can run IAH-BOG and IAH-CLO (presumably at a profit) while it would be harder for AA to the same out of DFW?
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting SABE (Reply 27):
So, to make sure I understand your point: prior to starting DFW-EZE or DFW-SCL, AA looked at the statistics of all the passengers flying from the US to those destinations, most of which were connecting through MIA, and decided to start the DFW flights to divert the schmucks like me from TUS-DFW-MIA-EZE into TUS-DFW-EZE so that they could sell my seat to someone flying just MIA-EZE for a higher yield?

Yes, pretty much. That is the purpose for AA's DFW-SCL/GRU/EZE/CCS routes, and former DFW-PTY/LIM routes. In time, Dallas-Sao Paulo has grown to become a strong performer on it's own, but the others still fluctuate greatly. Dallas-Buenos Aires does well thanks to limited US-Argentina service in general; Dallas-Santiago relies on cargo to make it profitable; Dallas-Caracas hasn't performed well for nearly half a decade, but AA continues it because Caracas is such an important market for them with a large FF base.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):

Thanks. Honestly, didn't knew about this special deal diven by our govt.

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting SABE (Reply 27):
Does this explain why CO can run IAH-BOG and IAH-CLO (presumably at a profit) while it would be harder for AA to the same out of DFW?

Well, sounds right, plenty of Colombians in the Great Houston area although I understand that many Colombian travelers use IAH as an entry point to then connect to other cities in the U.S.

Quoting SABE (Reply 27):
Ricardo, thanks for the humbers.

My pleasure. BTW, these are the numbers about Argentinians  Wink

- L.A.: 20%
- San Fco.: 7%
- D.C.: 3%
- Miami: 12%
- Tampa: 4%
- New Jersey: 11%
- New York: 8%
- Houston: 4%
- Rest of the U.S.: 31%
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 30):

My pleasure. BTW, these are the numbers about Argentinians Wink

- L.A.: 20%
- San Fco.: 7%
- D.C.: 3%
- Miami: 12%
- Tampa: 4%
- New Jersey: 11%
- New York: 8%
- Houston: 4%
- Rest of the U.S.: 31%

Which is highly inaccurate, since South Florida has seen an influx of over 100,000 Argentines since 2000 and has the largest Argentine community in the United States.
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Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
Which is highly inaccurate, since South Florida has seen an influx of over 100,000 Argentines since 2000 and has the largest Argentine community in the United States

And what is your source for this? Mine come from the U.S. Hispanic Report, PEW research and my own company's information (I work for the largest telecom company for U.S. Hispanics).
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Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 32):
And what is your source for this? Mine come from the U.S. Hispanic Report, PEW research and my own company's information (I work for the largest telecom company for U.S. Hispanics).

It is a pretty well known fact among Argentines, and you'd only have to visit South Florida, particularly Miami Beach's Little Buenos Aires, to see it. Unfortunately, getting accurate immigrant information is extremely difficult, especially for Latin Americans, since many are illegal.

US Census results:
Miami-Ft. Lauderdale: 36,541 Argentines
Los Angeles-Ontario: 25,749 Argentines
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...results=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en

Now, those numbers are not entirely accurate because they are self-reported by individuals. It does not include non-residents, of which Miami is estimated to have 90,000+ non-resident Argentines.

LA's Argentine population is nowhere near as large as South Florida's.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:38 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 23):
Hey Coal, con you please elaborate on this? I am very interested. Does this mean that if you need to go to "El Cerrejon" you will fly from BOG? Which aircraft? Last time I went it was from BAQ an it was on a Dash-8. I thought it was given to Satena this year but also from BAQ...

Note: ("El Cerrejon" is the biggest coal mine / villa in Colombia-, located in the north coast of Colombia, on the tip of South America)

Actually, Cerrejon Coal is in itself a coal mining company owned by BHP Billiton, Anglo American, and Xstrata. The mines themselves have been consolidated into CZN and CZS (Cerrejon Zona Norte and Sur).

The corporate offices themselves have been moved from Barranquilla to Bogota, but the mine remains where it is . I believe they still have the Dash-7 service twice daily between BAQ and La Mina and Puerto Bolivar for those who commute to work at the mine. I also heard rumors they might acquire some kind of bizjet to fly executives from BOG to La Mina.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 26):
Everything in proportion, to BAQ Miami is the most important international route. JFK to LHR is a far different animal but for JFK it is the biggest international route.

That is differently worded and makes a bit more sense. In any case, seems like Mark has explained ad nauseam why AA does not fly to BAQ anymore.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 26):
And since you asked I like to smoke H. Upman cigars from the Dominican Republic.

No Cohibas???

Cheers,
Coal

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:41 am

Hello to all my awesome Colombian friends! I can't wait to come back down to BOG or MDE. I miss the beautiful scenery...although I am really looking forward to reading the NEXOS article.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 30):
My pleasure. BTW, these are the numbers about Argentinians

- L.A.: 20%

20% of the US population ???

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
LA's Argentine population is nowhere near as large as South Florida's.

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As we know LA's Hispanic population is heavily Mexican and Central American.
For South America I would say the population has more from closer and West Coast South America countries such as Peru. Not Argentina.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 35):
Hello to all my awesome Colombian friends! I can't wait to come back down to BOG or MDE. I miss the beautiful scenery...although I am really looking forward to reading the NEXOS article

Wow western, I did not know you have been to a Latin American country before.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 36):
20% of the US population ???

20% of Argentinians living in the US are living in LAX.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
It is a pretty well known fact among Argentines,



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
Now, those numbers are not entirely accurate because they are self-reported by individuals.

Sorry, you can't measure demographics by word of mouth. I am giving you statistics from renown research center, statistics from Argentinian consulates, etc. No doubt that the majority of Argentinians enter the US by MIA, but that doesn't mean that they stay in MIA. As I said before, the demographics change every month specially within Hispanics.
The only thing that will put more Argentinians in Miami than L.A. is that the research centers don't measure illegals, but the Argentinian population in the U.S. are one of the least Hispanic populations with immigrations problems, so I don't think that would change much in these numbers.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 36):
20% of the US population ???

no, no, that means, that from the total of recorded Argentinians in the US, about 20% are in the Greater Los Angeles. (Dont Forget that we are talking about Greater Los Angeles).
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 39):

Sorry, you can't measure demographics by word of mouth. I am giving you statistics from renown research center, statistics from Argentinian consulates, etc. No doubt that the majority of Argentinians enter the US by MIA, but that doesn't mean that they stay in MIA. As I said before, the demographics change every month specially within Hispanics.
The only thing that will put more Argentinians in Miami than L.A. is that the research centers don't measure illegals, but the Argentinian population in the U.S. are one of the least Hispanic populations with immigrations problems, so I don't think that would change much in these numbers.

No, you can't measure them by word of mouth, but you can by the US census. Miami has an Argentine population larger than LA according to the census. I don't know what data your company is using, but it is wrong.

While it is true that Argentines don't have major illegal issues, because until recently, they did not need a visa to move to the United States, which made it very difficult to track Argentine immigration to the United States. Here's a good article:

The Argentine exodus seems to have caught immigration officials unaware. Although local immigration lawyers say they are swamped with new clients from Argentina, the Immigration and Naturalization Service says it has no up-to-date figures.

Unlike other Latin Americans, Argentines do not require a visa to enter the United States, beneficiaries of a visa waiver program offered to countries with strong economies and low emigration.

No reliable statistics exist on how many have come. But press reports in Buenos Aires estimate as many as 100,000 Argentines might be living in South Florida.


target=_blank>http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/New...nation/_Little_Buenos_Aires_.shtml

Good CNN article on the Argentine exodus to Miami:
http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2002/f.../10/argentines.resettle/index.html

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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
But press reports in Buenos Aires estimate as many as 100,000 Argentines might be living in South Florida.

OK, you are entitled to believe whatever pleases you. I will stop with this topic. Is non-aviation related.  wave 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 37):
Wow western, I did not know you have been to a Latin American country before.

Just to Colombia, Brasil, Ecuador and Honduras. Not much by any standards. For some reason though, Colombia was the best trip of all these. Must've been all those beautiful people.

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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 41):
you are entitled to believe whatever pleases you. I will stop with this topic. Is non-aviation related

It does not take a rocket scientist to know that South Florida has a larger Argentine population than southern California. All you have to do is walk down a street in Miami to know and compare. I should know I have lived in both Miami and Los Angeles.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 42):
Just to Colombia, Brasil, Ecuador and Honduras. Not much by any standards. For some reason though, Colombia was the best trip of all these. Must've been all those beautiful people

Well I am glad you have passed your sugarcane statement from the past.  Wink

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Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 43):
JFK-BOG was short lived back in the early 90s, but can it make a come back?

Doesn't Avianca fly this? Or is this AA's routing? Geez, last time I was in BOG I came in on the Big Alcoa 747 AV leased from AA. No, I correct that, last time was on a CO 757 from EWR...I just remember the 747 flight becasue I was onlya kid then and the photos helped as well.
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 43):
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that South Florida has a larger Argentine population than southern California. All you have to do is walk down a street in Miami to know and compare. I should know I have lived in both Miami and Los Angeles

I have sent you a private message.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 44):
Doesn't Avianca fly this? Or is this AA's routing? Geez, last time I was in BOG I came in on the Big Alcoa 747 AV leased from AA. No, I correct that, last time was on a CO 757 from EWR...I just remember the 747 flight becasue I was onlya kid then and the photos helped as well.

Yes, Avianca flies it daily with a 767-300.
Continental still flies BOG - EWR but the flight has been downgraded to a 73G (and the extended leg to Quito transferred to some other city or dropped altogether if I'm not mistaken).
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 46):
Yes, Avianca flies it daily with a 767-300.
Continental still flies BOG - EWR but the flight has been downgraded to a 73G

Hmm, I'm gunna have to try it our one of these days. How is Avianca's service after the bankruptcy?
 
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:07 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 47):
Hmm, I'm gunna have to try it our one of these days. How is Avianca's service after the bankruptcy?

Better than ever and still improving. There are several trip reports, take a look.
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RE: AA Commited With MDE.

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:38 am

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I have sent you a private message.

No message here.  boggled 
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