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Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:37 am

Does anyone have a clue if Jetblue has considered tackling the Hawaiian market? I would think if they can handle the distance between JFK-LGB and OAK-JFK...then naturally the Hawaiian market out of Long Beach/Oakland should be within reach....

Additionally, with the new code share with Aer Lingus...I would think that Hawaii would follow the natural progression of the airline?
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:43 am

This has been discussed many times on here... the simple answer is 'no'.
Just because JetBlue can fly JFK-LGB & OAK (and BOS too!) doesn't mean it can fly across the oceans to HNL.
In addition, the Hawai'i market is traditionally low yielding, so I would say that HNL or OGG will not be on JetBlue's website anytime soon, unless it is through a codesharing agreement with another carrier.

Do you really think there are a lot of people traveling between DUB and HNL?
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:43 am

No we aren't going to Hawaii anytime soon. Our 320s can't make it transcon with out stopping for fuel, so Hawaii would be out of the question unless we get mid air refuling capabilities.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:55 am

According to webflyer.com--

LGB-JFK is 2,460 Miles
LGB-BOS is 2,590 Miles
OAK-JFK is 2,570 Miles


and the one in question......LGB to HNL is 2,560 Miles.......am I missing something?

Now I am not a pilot and I am not familiar with aircraft range and winds over the pacific....but if logic serves, this seems like something Jet Blue could handle without breaking a sweat.

(I apologize by the way for me not catching this previously discussed thread)
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:59 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be the first Airbus service to Hawaii?
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:02 am

I thought that to fly to Hawaii planes need to be ETOPS certified. I don't that is the case with any of jetBLue' planes.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Crberkley (Reply 3):
LGB-JFK is 2,460 Miles
LGB-BOS is 2,590 Miles
OAK-JFK is 2,570 Miles


and the one in question......LGB to HNL is 2,560 Miles.......am I missing something?

Yes.
99% of the time, JetBlue operates BOS & JFK to OAK/LGB without any problems. Occasionally, especially during the winter, tech stops are needed for fuel because a fully laden A320 doesn't always have the legs to safely make LGB or OAK. It is rare but it does happen. If they fly across the Pacific to Hawai'i, not much chance for a refueling stop, is there???!

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 5):
I thought that to fly to Hawaii planes need to be ETOPS certified. I don't that is the case with any of jetBLue' planes.

Correct, although the certification could be initiated if they decided to fly this route. Which they won't.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 5):
I thought that to fly to Hawaii planes need to be ETOPS certified. I don't that is the case with any of jetBLue' planes.

I dont think that any are ETOPS certified, but they are all certified for extended overwater flying, IIRC. So it should not be too big of a deal to get them ETPOS'ed up?

That is of course in the unlikely situation that B6 would ever serve Hawaii.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be the first Airbus service to Hawaii?

No, ever since NW retired their DC-10s, NW now flies A330s on MSP-HNL.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:36 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
No, ever since NW retired their DC-10s, NW now flies A330s on MSP-HNL.

No narrowbody service though.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:50 am

As mentioned here already, B6 has to make fuel stops during certain times of the year on its existing routes. They are rare, but regular enough that it could be a concern on a route with no feasible places to refuel.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be the first Airbus service to Hawaii?

No. My old neighbor was a A-320 F/O for UA & used A-320's in the off season on SFO-HNL. It could have been an A-319.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:47 am

OAK-Hilo is 2328nm. When it is not legal to dispatch to HNL due to winds or alternate considerations, 99% of the time it would be possible to dispatch to Hilo, then redispatch to HNL when getting close or tech stop in Hilo. Assuming getting ETOPS certified.

On those rare occasions where the forecast winds give the slightest hint of a problem making Hilo with adaquate fuel reserves, the flight would be cancelled. This would obviously be undesirable, but it doesn't stop Jetblue from serving Bermuda, where several flights have been cancelled in the past due to strong crosswind forecasts for the single runway.

That being said, there are many more lucrative markets for JetBlue to serve before Hawaii, and I would be really surprised to see such service.

[Edited 2007-02-12 23:10:29]
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 1):
In addition, the Hawai'i market is traditionally low yielding

That's an oft-repeated myth. Hawaii routes generate outstanding yields. That's why airlines such as NW have been adding 'disjoint' non-hub flights such as SFO-HNL into their mix. The cheapest fare even published (and as you know, getting the cheapest fare is always tough) typically has a 7.5 cent/mile yield.

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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 11):
No. My old neighbor was a A-320 F/O for UA & used A-320's in the off season on SFO-HNL. It could have been an A-319.

As far as I know, UA's A319s or A320s have never been certified for ETOPS.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 13):
That's an oft-repeated myth. Hawaii routes generate outstanding yields. That's why airlines such as NW have been adding 'disjoint' non-hub flights such as SFO-HNL into their mix. The cheapest fare even published (and as you know, getting the cheapest fare is always tough) typically has a 7.5 cent/mile yield.

NWA has been flying SFO-HNL probably close to the time you have been alive. I do not consider 7.5 cent/mile a good yield and Hawaii routes are considered low yield.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be the first Airbus service to Hawaii?

As the two other posters wrote. UA 319 and NW 330. But also AC with the 343 and 333. The 343 served AC 33/34 (which I am going to fly this coming week  Smile) quite regularly down to SYD, before this was converted to the 763, also my roommate has taken a 333 on AC 43/44 though this might not have been regular.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 15):
NWA has been flying SFO-HNL probably close to the time you have been alive. I do not consider 7.5 cent/mile a good yield and Hawaii routes are considered low yield.

For Q3 2006 NW's SFO-HNL average o/w fare (net of taxes) was $235 per passenger or 9.7c per mile. There are cheap fares advertised but generally speaking it's not a bad route since there is good walk-up business. In comparison for Q3 2006 B6's average net fare LGB-BOS was $197 or 7.6c per mile.

The real problem is range and ETOPS 180 -- get some A319s and endure 18 months of certification and they're in business. But there are better opportunities out there for B6 that don't require either (e.g. Caribbean, South America).
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:28 am

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Quoting RwSEA (Reply 10):
As mentioned here already, B6 has to make fuel stops during certain times of the year on its existing routes. They are rare, but regular enough that it could be a concern on a route with no feasible places to refuel.

Although JetBlue does have fuel stops on some of hte BOS-LGB, or BOS-OAK flights in the winter, very rarely is the jet stream that south near the latitudes of Hawaii. Regardless they may have problems because the CO flight from EWR to HNL had to stop at LAX to refuel because of the strong Jet stream.

I Guess JetBlue needs some A319's.  Smile
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 11):
No. My old neighbor was a A-320 F/O for UA & used A-320's in the off season on SFO-HNL. It could have been an A-319.



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 16):
As the two other posters wrote. UA 319 and NW 330.

I don't believe United has ever sent an Airbus to Hawaii. Back in the 90s, UA sent a few 737s to HNL with the intent to start interisland, but that ultimately never occured.

I think the only Airbus equipment we're going to see in Hawaii are NW's A330 and PR's A340 service to MNL.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be the first Airbus service to Hawaii?

The first Airbus service was by LH in the early 1990's when they flew nonstop between FRA and HNL on A340-200s. We currently have PR and CI flying A340s and JQ and NW with A330s. AC also uses the A340 a couple months during the winter on their YVR-HNL-SYD flight. In the past we've had A330s from AC, EVA, and Canada 3000.

Quoting N770WD (Reply 17):
The real problem is range and ETOPS 180

I would think the fuel reserves needed for ETOPS would be the limiting factor for B6's A320s.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:10 am

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be the first Airbus service to Hawaii?

Perhaps he ment first narrowbody airbus service to Hawaii.

Again to put this to rest, the answer is no, mark my words, you won't see us in Hawai'i anytime in the next 10 years.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 20):
The first Airbus service was by LH in the early 1990's when they flew nonstop between FRA and HNL on A340-200s.

Does anyone have any more information about this flight? This is quite interesting.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting Kjet12 (Reply 22):
Quoting Ha763 (Reply 20):
The first Airbus service was by LH in the early 1990's when they flew nonstop between FRA and HNL on A340-200s.

Does anyone have any more information about this flight? This is quite interesting.

Kjet12, I am not aware that LH ever served HNL. What is your source for this information in case I am missing something?
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
What is your source for this information in case I am missing something?

Ha763 in reply 20.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 15):
NWA has been flying SFO-HNL probably close to the time you have been alive. I do not consider 7.5 cent/mile a good yield and Hawaii routes are considered low yield.

NWA cut its SFO route in the 90s and brought it back within the last 3-4 years. The prices quoted are the LOWEST fares on the route...if the lowest fare is providing over 9 cents per mile yield....its sounds like a profitable route to me.

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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting Kjet12 (Reply 22):
Does anyone have any more information about this flight?

I would have to go to the library to research it more, but from my recollection, the first flight was in 1993. I remember watching the news and seeing the flight being greeted by the Governor and a hula group with all pax receiving a lei. This was the first non-stop flight to Hawaii from Europe. I believe LH flew this route twice a week for 2 years.


Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
What is your source for this information in case I am missing something?

Just go to the link below and search for Lufthansa. You will find that it returns 2 article titles. I would have to go the library to actually pull up the full text of the article, but the titles give you the picture.

http://ipac2.librarieshawaii.org:81/
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:14 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 26):

Interesting! Never knew LH even flew here before, and never knew an airline had scheduled services with an A342.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:03 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 26):
Quoting Kjet12 (Reply 22):
Does anyone have any more information about this flight?

I would have to go to the library to research it more, but from my recollection, the first flight was in 1993. I remember watching the news and seeing the flight being greeted by the Governor and a hula group with all pax receiving a lei. This was the first non-stop flight to Hawaii from Europe. I believe LH flew this route twice a week for 2 years.


Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
What is your source for this information in case I am missing something?

Just go to the link below and search for Lufthansa. You will find that it returns 2 article titles. I would have to go the library to actually pull up the full text of the article, but the titles give you the picture.

Thanks for your information. I had forgotten about that brief LH service to HNL.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):
As far as I know, UA's A319s or A320s have never been certified for ETOPS.

That is very disappointing if he was bullshitting me. No discredit to you, FoxBravo, can someone clear this up?
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:40 pm

Somewhere in a box in storage, I have a LH timetable and I distinctly remember service from FRA to HNL. I have the recollection that it was operated on behalf of a German tour operator. The flight number was a four digit number long before LH went to four digits.

I'll try to dig it up - lots of boxes, though!

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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:45 pm

Would love to see the A330 flying out of LGB. This is the only way B6 could fly LGB to HNL. But since I have read about no orders from B6 for 330's, this will never happen. But then the next question is there a market for flights from LGB to HNL?
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 5):
I thought that to fly to Hawaii planes need to be ETOPS certified. I don't that is the case with any of jetBLue' planes.

i thought they were ETOPS certified......
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:47 pm

Then-Governor Ben Cayetano was trying to lure more tourists from Europe by working with LH to fly directly from FRA to HNL via the polar route. The flight was supposed to be about 14-15 hours coming here to HNL using an A340, but I'm not sure how long the return flight would have been, or where they would have stopped for fuel. Cayetano's term lasted during the mid to late 90s. IIRC, LH thought the flight would not be feasible.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 11):

He didn't go SFO-HNL flying an A320/19. No UA A32X are ETOPS

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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:36 pm

Quoting Crberkley (Reply 3):
According to webflyer.com--

LGB-JFK is 2,460 Miles
LGB-BOS is 2,590 Miles
OAK-JFK is 2,570 Miles


and the one in question......LGB to HNL is 2,560 Miles.......am I missing something?

If B6 had any A-319s or B-737-700/800, they might consider HNL service from the left coast. It has the range and the required fuel reserve. The A-320 could make it if the weather and other conditions were garanteed for their arrival time. Of course they cannot be. Hawaii is considered an "island base", therefore you need to carry two hours of additional fuel to hold until any Hawaiian airport (that can handle you) opens up. ETOPS is another issue that must be addressed.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 11):
No. My old neighbor was a A-320 F/O for UA & used A-320's in the off season on SFO-HNL. It could have been an A-319.

I don't think so. UA does not have any ETOPS A-319s. He may have flown it in a B-757-200.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting Richierich (Reply 1):
the Hawai'i market is traditionally low yielding

Which explains why it is so heavily served  sarcastic 

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 2):
Our 320s can't make it transcon with out stopping for fuel,

Yes they can and do all the time. Off the 10,000 foot runways at LGB and OAK it would be even easier.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 5):

I thought that to fly to Hawaii planes need to be ETOPS certified.

Correct. ETOPS 180 rules for 737s, A32S, 767s and PW2037 powered 757s. ETOPS 138 for PW2040/RB211 powered 757s, 747s and 777s.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 5):
I don't that is the case with any of jetBLue' planes.

Correct again

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 11):
A-320's in the off season on SFO-HNL. It could have been an A-319.

It didn't happen.

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 13):
That's an oft-repeated myth. Hawaii routes generate outstanding yields

Precisely. Why do you think Bob Crandall often stated that he would rather throw on another Hawai'i service then he would go into a marginal, untested international market?

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):
As far as I know, UA's A319s or A320s have never been certified for ETOPS.

Correct

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 15):
I do not consider 7.5 cent/mile a good yield

For the very lowest fare, that is excellent.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 15):
Hawaii routes are considered low yield.

By who I don't know. If they were so low yield, the airlines wouldn't throw the massive amount of capacity at the routes that they do, nor would they have such strong FF capacity controls. Not only is Hawai'i a solid yielding market, it is also a major mileage dump for airlines.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 18):
Regardless they may have problems because the CO flight from EWR to HNL had to stop at LAX to refuel because of the strong Jet stream.

Well, that is partially attributable to the questionable range of the 764ER

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 29):
That is very disappointing if he was bullshitting me. No discredit to you, FoxBravo, can someone clear this up?

Sorry that you are disappointed but FoxBravo is absolutely right. None of United's A320 Family aircraft are ETOPS rated and none of them have ever flown to Hawai'i, at least with revenue passengers on board. The smallest plane they have operated there since the high bypass turbofan was invented is the 757-200.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:50 pm

I couldn't help but pass this post up. The A320 family doesn't have the range to go to Hawaii. You can argue distance, and winds, endurance, tank capacity all day long but the facts are:

If it was economical/possible to send an A320 family aircraft over to the islands.... somebody would be doing it.

The A319 wouldn't make it from LAX to HNL with more than 70-80 pax with standard tanks, an A320 wouldn't ne any different. Sure, you can play on your FS2000whatever version it is on, but no airline is going to send a flight over the largest stretch of ocean with no place to stop without getting the aircraft wet on minimum fuel.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:57 pm

Quoting Hpnonrev99 (Reply 37):
The A320 family doesn't have the range to go to Hawaii.

Um, you are completely and totally wrong.

Quoting Hpnonrev99 (Reply 37):
The A319 wouldn't make it from LAX to HNL with more than 70-80 pax with standard tanks

You are kidding me, right? The A319 can get off of SNA and make it non-stop to IAD, and does so on a daily basis. That is a 5700 foot runway. Further, jetBlue flies what are probably the heaviest A320-200s in the sky non-stop on a regular basis from BOS to LGB, a longer distance than LGB/LAX-HNL. Further, United flies BOS-LAX daily with an A319, completely full, another flight longer than LAX-HNL.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:14 pm

FYI,

There are better routes for JetBlue to explorer than the Hawaii island, with BWIA and Caribbean Sun out of the picture JetBlue can use their Fleet better to explorer the Caribbeans Market, adding more flight to DR, PR, St. Thomas and sister island. Both ERJ-190 and A320 have the fuel reach to make this happen from JFK and FLL and if they get the 90's gates from MCO, Mexico will not be to far to come along...
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 9):
No narrowbody service though

United has used 757's from HNL to SFO. Flown it. I realize the range of that plane is adequate, but I was referring to the comment about narrow bodied service. The 757 is most definitely a narrow body.

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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:59 pm

Flew last August to Hawaii on NWA MSP-HNL on an A330 and had to stop in PDX for fuel.

Eastbound was on one of NWA's DC-10's. Nice flight and even though a 20+ year old plane, still way more comfortable than the A330.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Call911mfc (Reply 41):
Flew last August to Hawaii on NWA MSP-HNL on an A330 and had to stop in PDX for fuel.

I'm surprised that a A330 had to stop for fuel from MSP-HNL. Are you sure it didn't stop for some other reason, crew change, weather, pick up pax etc.?
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:21 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 38):
You are kidding me, right? The A319 can get off of SNA and make it non-stop to IAD, and does so on a daily basis. That is a 5700 foot runway. Further, jetBlue flies what are probably the heaviest A320-200s in the sky non-stop on a regular basis from BOS to LGB, a longer distance than LGB/LAX-HNL. Further, United flies BOS-LAX daily with an A319, completely full, another flight longer than LAX-HNL.

I think you're missing the point here...when winds are blowing hard during the winter, the A319/20 may make it eastbound nonstop, but will have to refuel coming west. There are no opportunities for fuel stops when crossing the Pacific. Anyway, wasn't it last winter when a.net was all lit up about all the B6 tech stops going to the west coast?
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 43):
There's a reason why the 757 is the only narrowbody crossing the pacific on a regular basis.

Aloha's 737-700s also fly from the mainland to Hawaii daily.
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting AirportPlan (Reply 44):
Aloha's 737-700s also fly from the mainland to Hawaii daily.

Of course...how could I forget that?  Wink
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 15):
NWA has been flying SFO-HNL probably close to the time you have been alive. I do not consider 7.5 cent/mile a good yield and Hawaii routes are considered low yield.

That is actually a good yield for Hawaii, many Hawaii-Mainland markets have yields in the 5 cent range
 
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 43):
I think you're missing the point here...when winds are blowing hard during the winter, the A319/20 may make it eastbound nonstop, but will have to refuel coming west.

You are wrong, particularly about the A319. The A319 has longer range than the 738, and that aircraft goes to Hawai'i every day.

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 43):
Anyway, wasn't it last winter when a.net was all lit up about all the B6 tech stops going to the west coast?

B6 were pretty much the only ones it was happenning to on a wide basis and the reason was two-fold. JetBlue flies what are pretty much the heaviest A320s flying in that they have provisions in the hold for the failed ACT. Second, they planned poorly, not weight restricting when they should have. Either that or they made the conscious decision to take fuel stops in order to keep all the PAX on the aircraft.

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 43):
There's a reason why the 757 is the only narrowbody crossing the pacific on a regular basis.

Not only do AQ's 73Ws fly daily, they do so off of SNA's runway and formerly did so off of BUR's. Further, ATA's 738s fly across to Hawai'i daily as well.
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:10 am

I don't think B6 has the right plane, or the right West Coast presence to compete effectively to Hawaii. Same goes for F9, since I know that's another thread that shows up regularly. Wink
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RE: Jetblue To Hawaii?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 11):
No. My old neighbor was a A-320 F/O for UA & used A-320's in the off season on SFO-HNL. It could have been an A-319.


i don't think UA has ever flown an airbus from the mainland to hawaii!! they can't even fly that far, i think you may be confused with the use of the 757.



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