PHKLM
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:28 am

I never get why some airports uses busses, and others allow you walking over the tarmac.
I've recently been bussed at:
AMS
HAM
CIA
AEP
MXP

Whereas I've been allowed / instructed to walk to the plane from the terminal at:
LHR (down the stairs at the gate and then walk to a KLM F50)
RTM
EIN

Now in particular the bus ride at CIA has been incredibly short, it took ages before a full FR 738 was loaded into busses, they drove 50 meters to the entrance of the terminal and then everybody had to get out. The parking places around the aircraft where taken but none of them had the engines running. It would have been completely safe to walk those 50 m to the terminal entrance, as the bus ride lasted less than 10 seconds.
On the other hand, the walk in RTM was quite considerable, say 5 minutes. I was dry and I got a close-up view of some Transavia 737's but if it had rained cats and dogs I wouldn't have been very pleased.
 
planesarecool
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 50):
Now in particular the bus ride at CIA has been incredibly short, it took ages before a full FR 738 was loaded into busses, they drove 50 meters to the entrance of the terminal and then everybody had to get out. The parking places around the aircraft where taken but none of them had the engines running. It would have been completely safe to walk those 50 m to the terminal entrance, as the bus ride lasted less than 10 seconds.

Had a similar experience in Corfu. We got off the aircraft and onto a bus, which went for about 10 seconds in a semi circle and then the doors opened. It would have been straight walk from the aircraft to the ramp leading up to arrivals, however because we had to cross a vacant stand, they had to use a bus.
 
usair320
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Does Dulles (IAD) still use the busses that connect to the plane like a jetway? I remember those from 1986...

I remember back in 2002 deplaning a US A330 from CDG at PHL we used one of those Busses you speak of. Also everytime Ive boarded an AZ flight(A321,A319) in FCO I have always been bussed to the plane.
 
WJ
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:10 am

LHR uses buses off of T-4, JFK uses buses at their T-4, Delta at JFK uses the planemates as well. Airports cant expand fast enough for growing traffic so they use remote parking. No big deal.
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ultrapig
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:41 am

While we are talking aobut Hard stands

I'm been imprisioned on a jet parked ont he tarmac for 3 hours at least once wwaitng ofrt a gate and we all know about the recent rash of Jet Blue problems.

Can someone explane to me why it is such a big deal to set a bus and stairs over to a plane parked in the bullpen when passengers have been sitting there for more tha a couple hours-Obviously I know its a pain in the rear for the airline but surely after a coupel hours it must be possible>

FGate agents and dispatchers tell me what I am missing?
 
HiJazzey
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:45 am

How about JED ?

A major international airport, with over 15 million passenger movements, and not a single boarding bridge. It's all done by bus. Originally they used mobile lounges, but it's now exclusively bus. The docking ports for the mobile lounges at the south terminal now have escalators that take you downstairs to a bus stop.
 
Electech6299
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 48):
Lets not interject un-informed, inflammatory and incorrect opinions here.

I did not find the referenced post inflammatory or incorrect, and if you consider reading the newspapers as a means of becoming informed, I'd say he was spot-on! Also note, we Americans do not take offense when our litigious society is pointed out, we see it for what it is. Nothing flameworthy about the truth..

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 49):
Or did you fall down a flight of airstairs recently?

But that was absolutely uncalled for!
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rwessel
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:57 pm

Going back about 20 years, before the "new" International Terminal (#4) was built at ORD, most international flights boarded via bus from the international section (aka basement) of terminal 2 or 3 (sorry, don't remember anymore which one it was).

Semi-amusing aside: I was dating a woman in Detroit at the time, and the PanAm flight to/from London stopped there, and was not only well scheduled for weekend visits, but priced right. I discovered that it was easier to get though check-in if I had my passport (this was international check-in, after all). And I got to go through customs on the way back. Not sure what that says about Detroit.  Wink
 
WYG737LVR
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:31 pm

BGI has no jetways. Everybody is loaded by stairs. If you flight is at a distant "gate" they have an air conditioned bus that will take de-planed passengers to the terminal. It is something, walking by a couple of 747's, the odd 777 and a few misplaced 76/757's. The last time I was there, I tried to snap some pics, but security was pretty tight and put a quick stop to it.
 
WesternA318
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:38 pm

The Old Hellenikon Airport in ATH was strictly drive-up. Sometimes I miss that airport. Although the way down from a TWA 747 was a LOT farther than DL's 763's...
 
MCOflyer
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:19 pm

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 52):
I remember back in 2002 deplaning a US A330 from CDG at PHL we used one of those Busses you speak of.

I did that on Air Midwest to ITH from PHL too. I miss those days but it was fun while it lasted.

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InbarD
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:55 pm

Boarding by bus use to be popular in TLV. But after they built the new terminal you almost always board through the terminal gate. Boarding by bus seems to be getting very rare, i haven't boarded by bus for over 7 years!
 
Lite
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting Ultrapig (Reply 54):
Can someone explane to me why it is such a big deal to set a bus and stairs over to a plane parked in the bullpen when passengers have been sitting there for more tha a couple hours-Obviously I know its a pain in the rear for the airline but surely after a coupel hours it must be possible>

It is incredibly frustrating I imagine being stuck onboard the aircraft, but if I can put a British perspective on what would happen, and someone can tell me if this applies in America. Here, the handling agent for a flight, as well as the airport authority, will only be paid once to handle your flight. The airport therefore is only prepared to accommodate you once, as you have only paid the airport once through your ticket price, to use their facilities. Same with the handling agent, we're only expecting to process you once, not have to find the staff to look after and transport you, once we've signed off for the flight and ready to go. Obviously, if the delay is considerable, to the extent where passengers would be extremely uncomfortable, then passengers are offloaded, but there's nothing that airport duty managers and gate agents hate to hear more than "the aircraft is returning to the gate." Practically also, not sure this is the official reason but I imagine, that the airport is beginning to accept passengers for later flights, so otherwise the terminal might become too crowded, and there be too few staff, if we have to start re-accepting delayed passengers who have already boarded.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 47):
Besides, we Americans seem to have lost the ability to climb a simple flight of stairs without tripping/falling and suing somebody... can you imagine how many lawsuits the airlines would see if we had bus/stair boarding here on a larger scale?

Obviously that says a lot about the state of affairs in America, though this corporate blame game is beginning to spread to Europe also. As far as I'm aware, there have been no lawsuits in Europe about passengers tripping up on boarding stairs whilst boarding or deplaning. At some airports in Europe, including my home airport, there are no airbridges whatsoever, so all passengers must board and deplane using steps. We as passenger service agents for boarding passengers, and then the cabin crew for deplaning passengers, will inform passengers as part of the announcements to hold on to the handrail and take caution on the steps as they might be slippy. The elderly, the disabled and those requiring boarding assistance, are offered use of the ambu-lift facilities, to prevent step accidents.
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SkyvanMan
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:37 am

I had to take a bus from a remote gate upon arrival at LAX from BKK on Thai. I think that one of the reasons busses are used less in the U.S. is that jetways are much easier for wheelchairs and most flights have at least a few people who need to utilize a wheelchair and preboard.
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Superfly
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RE: Boarding By Bus...

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:53 am

Several times for me.
Bangkok, Thailand
There was a bus waiting for us at the bottome of the airstairs as we departed a United 747-400.
I never departed a 747 like this.



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Buses were used on both ends of a flight I flew from Istanbul, Turkey to Athens, Greece.


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