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PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:58 am

I was just going thru PIA's website to see where they are flying the 777-300ER to? It shows Europe and N.American as only 777-200 and 747's. Where are the new 777-300ER going to be scheduled to fly to? Are they flying them to JFK now?

Also is there going to be any changes with the summer schedules this year? Any addition of flights as a result of new aircrafts they are adding/
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:03 am

One of the things that would make sense would be to retire their 747s. However this is unlikely because didn't they just get refurbished recently? Other than that, start new routes maybe?
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:07 am

AFAIK the 77W flies currently to MAN and LHR only (I think it is 2 and 3 times respectively weekly)

Today I've waited from 1545 - 1615 near FMO to spot the overflying PK 77W to MAN, but it seems that today's choosen flightroute was farther north Sad
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:04 am

The PK 77Ws operate the twice weekly PK709/710 LHE-MAN-LHE flights on wednesdays and fridays. Not sure how often they operate in to LHR but I did see one whilst I was there last week. PK upgraded today's PK715/6 from MAN to JFK to the 77W, so at the moment AP-BHW is on its way over there.

Hope this helps.

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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 3):
PK upgraded today's PK715/6 from MAN to JFK to the 77W, so at the moment AP-BHW is on its way over there.

I believe AP-BHW flew PK715 today because of the incident with AP-BGY.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:14 am

Manchester, PIAs busiest European airport.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Are the 743s not back yet?

I believe one or two or all of the 747-300 fleet has been refurbished and is now allowed back in Europe. However I believe they are flying to LHR and not MAN.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:28 am

Pakistan should order more 777 and ditch the 743's, they are a disgrace to such a proud national airline. Those 743's having started at Cathay were good second hand planes for a time that has passed.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Pakistan should order more 777 and ditch the 743's, they are a disgrace to such a proud national airline. Those 743's having started at Cathay were good second hand planes for a time that has passed.

The whole point of ordering the 777 is to eventually get rid of the 747-200/300. PIA still has more on order.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:14 am

While I too thought that PK's B742M's and B743's were rustbuckets....this trip report made me think otherwise..

check them out..its certainly worthwhile..


http://www.samchuiphotos.com/PIA74M/TripReport.html
Pakistan Int'l B747-240BM Trip Report (Pics/Video) (by N178UA Feb 11 2007 in Trip Reports)

The B773ER's are used KHI-ISB 2x/weekly, ISB-LHR 3x/weekly, and ISB-MAN 3x/weekly...

Aside from the B772ER's, PK will now have 2-B773ER's and 2-B772LR's in the fleet...

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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:21 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
Aside from the B772ER's, PK will now have 2-B773ER's and 2-B772LR's in the fleet...

Just to add, PIA is taking delivery of the third 777-200ER soon.

3 777-200ER
2 777-200LR
2 777-300ER

Total of 7 Boeing 777 aircraft in their fleet.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 10):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
Aside from the B772ER's, PK will now have 2-B773ER's and 2-B772LR's in the fleet...

Just to add, PIA is taking delivery of the third 777-200ER soon.

3 777-200ER
2 777-200LR
2 777-300ER

Total of 7 Boeing 777 aircraft in their fleet.

Thanks for the update... Smile
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 10):
3 777-200ER
2 777-200LR
2 777-300ER

Is the 777-300ER going to be scheduled to fly any N.American destination on a regular basis? I would imagine JFK would be the main destination for this plane.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 12):

Is the 777-300ER going to be scheduled to fly any N.American destination on a regular basis? I would imagine JFK would be the main destination for this plane.

I'm assuming it will be eventually used on North American routes however I am not quiet sure when we will see it scheduled.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 13):
Quoting Planetime (Reply 12):

Is the 777-300ER going to be scheduled to fly any N.American destination on a regular basis? I would imagine JFK would be the main destination for this plane.

I'm assuming it will be eventually used on North American routes however I am not quiet sure when we will see it scheduled.

PK does fly the B773ER to JFK (only until May 15th)...JFK-MAN-LHE-KHI
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
PK does fly the B773ER to JFK (only until May 15th)...JFK-MAN-LHE-KHI

Do you know when the 777-300ER will start to be scheduled on the JFK route? As far as I can tell today was the first time it visited JFK other then the first delivery flight.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:00 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 10):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
Aside from the B772ER's, PK will now have 2-B773ER's and 2-B772LR's in the fleet...

Just to add, PIA is taking delivery of the third 777-200ER soon.

3 777-200ER
2 777-200LR
2 777-300ER

Total of 7 Boeing 777 aircraft in their fleet.

Hi!

PIA's actual 777 fleet:
3x 772ER + 1 to be delivered soon + 1 leased from MH at the moment
2x 77L
2x 77W + 1 on order

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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
and ISB-MAN 3x/weekly

The 77Ws only operate the LHE flights to MAN. The ISB flights are operated by the 772ERs.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 17):

The 77Ws only operate the LHE flights to MAN. The ISB flights are operated by the 772ERs.

..PK-701 flies ISB-MAN on Mondays/Tuesdays...but only from 17th Feb to 24th March... Wink
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
The B773ER's are used KHI-ISB 2x/weekly,

Got to take KHI-ISB trip when I go to pak in august then. Hopefully the schedule remains the same.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:48 am

Very suspicious if you ask me,how come PK have suddenly acquired all these new aircraft when they have relied on a fleet of shoddy old 742 and 743's for many years!
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:13 am

What configuration does PK have in its various 777s?
And how does it compare to the 747 fleet?
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 19):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
The B773ER's are used KHI-ISB 2x/weekly,

Got to take KHI-ISB trip when I go to pak in august then. Hopefully the schedule remains the same.

Unfortunately its only until 24th of March... Sad

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 20):
Very suspicious if you ask me,how come PK have suddenly acquired all these new aircraft when they have relied on a fleet of shoddy old 742 and 743's for many years!

What's so "very suspicious"?  confused  ...its called "fleet expansion"/"fleet replacement"....

fyi...the B742M (at least one of them), has been redone from the interiour..and as long as they are well maintained, they should be able to fly for quite some time...

take a look at these two links..its got some nice shots (and video) of one of PK's B742M's..

http://www.samchuiphotos.com/PIA74M/TripReport.html
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
What configuration does PK have in its various 777s?
And how does it compare to the 747 fleet?

Good refrence on the following link:

http://www.historyofpia.com/fleet.htm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
Do you know when the 777-300ER will start to be scheduled on the JFK route? As far as I can tell today was the first time it visited JFK other then the first delivery flight.

Not sure it was expected the 77w would be in service by now to JFK as it needs the capacity.

Is there any increase in number of flights to JFK in the upcoming future?
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 23):
Is there any increase in number of flights to JFK in the upcoming future?

Hi Planetime... Smile

Unfortunately, nothing in terms of flight increases to JFK......and nothing in terms of the LAX flight either... Sad
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:00 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 23):
Not sure it was expected the 77w would be in service by now to JFK as it needs the capacity.

I can't see it in the schedule yet, I believe it flew in on Friday due to the incident involving AP-BGY at MAN.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 25):

I can't see it in the schedule yet, I believe it flew in on Friday due to the incident involving AP-BGY at MAN.

..yes it did... Smile
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:54 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):

..PK-701 flies ISB-MAN on Mondays/Tuesdays...but only from 17th Feb to 24th March...

Yep so it does. Hadn't noticed the change in the schedule. AP-BHW is operating todays PK701/2.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
Unfortunately, nothing in terms of flight increases to JFK......and nothing in terms of the LAX flight either...

Hi Jacobin ..... how are you?

PIA has been talking about LAX for ages now and its prime time to introduce service via PVG.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 28):
PIA has been talking about LAX for ages now and its prime time to introduce service via PVG.

Hi Planetime, doing great...yah...would love to see LAX...but I'm not so sure how PVG would work out....Maybe there is enough of a market to tap into the PVG route..

PK does have 1-2 more freedom rights out of MAN...but from what I know, USA-MAN O&D isn't too strong as it is, and BA did unsuccessfully try to run MAN-LAX years ago, of course, this situation is a bit different...and I think PK could possibly make it work..

That being said, this would be the perfect route for a 2-3x/weekly B787-8.....not that they are getting any (anytime soon at least)...

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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
Maybe there is enough of a market to tap into the PVG route..

PVG-LAX would do good and LAX-Pakistan there is enough Pakistani community to make it happen. With the new equipment they are getting they should more aircrafts to open up new routes.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
While I too thought that PK's B742M's and B743's were rustbuckets....this trip report made me think otherwise..

check them out..its certainly worthwhile..

 checkmark 

I'm in the same boat with you. I must admit, that was a great TR, and I now have a completely different outlook regarding the..."rustbuckets..?"

No....regarding PK's jumbos  Smile
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 30):

PVG-LAX would do good and LAX-Pakistan there is enough Pakistani community to make it happen. With the new equipment they are getting they should more aircrafts to open up new routes.

Planetime, right now PK run Pakistan-PEK 3x/weekly with an A310...so maybe they could try something via PVG....but I still think a B772ER would be a bit too big of a plane via PVG....PK does have the -300 version of the A310's (I think), so Pakistan-PVG-LAX is something which is possible...even if its slightly payload/pax restricted...

...time for some B787's for PK.... yes 

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 31):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
While I too thought that PK's B742M's and B743's were rustbuckets....this trip report made me think otherwise..

check them out..its certainly worthwhile..

 checkmark 

I'm in the same boat with you. I must admit, that was a great TR, and I now have a completely different outlook regarding the..."rustbuckets..?"

No....regarding PK's jumbos  Smile

I might have to stop calling them "rustbuckets" myself, but only until PK refurbishes all of them..until then, they will be called "rustbuckets"... Wink
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):

I might have to stop calling them "rustbuckets" myself, but only until PK refurbishes all of them..until then, they will be called "rustbuckets"... Wink

Even with a refurbishment, they'll always be "rustbuckets" due to their age. I don't think that term will leave PK's 742/3's until they're completely phased out.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
...time for some B787's for PK

Agreed but not sure if they are in a situation to buy at this time.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:03 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 30):

PVG-LAX would do good and LAX-Pakistan there is enough Pakistani community to make it happen. With the new equipment they are getting they should more aircrafts to open up new routes.

Why not start KHI-DXB-LAX at first so that PIA may be able to tap into the dubai business market easily. A 3X weekly will do just fine in my opinion with a 772ER althought payload restrictions may be a problem, at least PIA can some money on this route till emirates does not starts its daily service in a year or so.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 35):
Why not start KHI-DXB-LAX at first so that PIA may be able to tap into the dubai business market easily. A 3X weekly will do just fine in my opinion with a 772ER althought payload restrictions may be a problem, at least PIA can some money on this route till emirates does not starts its daily service in a year or so.

7772ER might be a problem but with a 777LR definite possibility. Not sure how the billaterals would really effect this.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 35):
Why not start KHI-DXB-LAX at first so that PIA may be able to tap into the dubai business market easily. A 3X weekly will do just fine in my opinion

I agree. I think the LAX route nonstop to DXB would greatly benefit PK. IMO, PK will eventually start an LAX market.

Quoting Planetime (Reply 36):
7772ER might be a problem but with a 777LR definite possibility.

That is certainly pushing the range of a 77ER, although LY does LAX-TLV with one (but Pakistan is farther from LAX than is Israel..) .
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:08 pm

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 16):
3x 772ER + 1 to be delivered soon + 1 leased from MH at the moment

Interesting I wasn't aware of a 777 leased from MH. I did hear that they were interested in some MH 744's though, although now I learn in this thread that they have upgraded the 747's even the 200's. Hmm.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:48 pm

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 33):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):

I might have to stop calling them "rustbuckets" myself, but only until PK refurbishes all of them..until then, they will be called "rustbuckets"...  Wink

Even with a refurbishment, they'll always be "rustbuckets" due to their age. I don't think that term will leave PK's 742/3's until they're completely phased out.

They may still be "rustbuckets", but at least their aren't "rusty" from the inside... Wink

Quoting Planetime (Reply 34):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
...time for some B787's for PK

Agreed but not sure if they are in a situation to buy at this time.

...yah..that's what I've been saying for a while..not happening this time for now.... no 

Quoting Planetime (Reply 36):
Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 35):
Why not start KHI-DXB-LAX at first so that PIA may be able to tap into the dubai business market easily. A 3X weekly will do just fine in my opinion with a 772ER althought payload restrictions may be a problem, at least PIA can some money on this route till emirates does not starts its daily service in a year or so.

7772ER might be a problem but with a 777LR definite possibility. Not sure how the billaterals would really effect this.

-since PK doesn't have any of the auxiliary tanks on the -200LR, it would still be pusing the limits of the plane..that being said, I think they can get some decent loads for 2-3x/weekly flight...

PK has 5th freedom rights out of DXB, so that shouldn't be a problem....

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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 38):
Interesting I wasn't aware of a 777 leased from MH.

Doesn't look like it anymore. The MH 777 was being used on the ISB-MAN-ISB route but it hasn't been seen since the 4th Feb. For the past couple of days this flight has seen the 773ER AP-BHW. I wouldn't be surprised if PK needed extra capacity on this route.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:58 am

The leased MH 777 (9M-MRE) went back to MH a couple of weeks ago. The 773ERs will go some way to help replace lost capacity that the 747s offered.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:35 am

I believe I saw a PIA 773 at YYZ a while back, although it may well have been subbing for another a/c, I don't think it's ever been assigned to the route on a regular basis.
 
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 42):
I believe I saw a PIA 773 at YYZ a while back, although it may well have been subbing for another a/c, I don't think it's ever been assigned to the route on a regular basis.

You must have confused it was the 777-200LR. The 777-300ER's have only been recently delivered and I don't see any flights to YYZ in the past two months on the 777-300ER.

I'm sure someday soon YYZ and JFK will start to see it on a scheduled basis.
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 43):

You must have confused it was the 777-200LR.

Why the 77LR? Wingtips?

Probably was just a normal 772ER
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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 44):

Why the 77LR? Wingtips?

Probably was just a normal 772ER

AP-GBY and AP-GBZ have made their way to YYZ on quiet a few ocasions:


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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 44):

Why the 77LR? Wingtips?

Probably was just a normal 772ER

AP-GBY and AP-GBZ have made their way to YYZ on quiet a few ocasions:


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RE: PIA 777-300ER Destinations

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 43):
You must have confused it was the 777-200LR. The 777-300ER's have only been recently delivered and I don't see any flights to YYZ in the past two months on the 777-300ER.

Fair enough, but I am certain it was a 773 I saw, it is pretty distinguishable, so where I may have confused it is the livery and it was not PIA but anohter ailine. I did a quick search and it looks like there were some diversions from JFK about time I thought I saw it. As well outisde chance it was an AF sub.

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