Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR
Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter): Sounds like JetBlue is throwing in the towel on the entire E190 system |
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4): Obviously they have sold to the public a schedule they cannot operate. |
Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 6): A key problem JetBlue has experienced over and over and over again is that when they run into operational adversity they can't recover in a reasonable fashion. They don't have recipricol agreements with other airlines to send their passengers over when they cancel. So when things cancel or get seriously delayed, all they can do is just keep flying what they can. |
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 20): Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 12): You actually need to move some of the airplanes and crews to get them in position to operate. May as well fly them 121... No...because you can move them Part 91, outside the Part 121 rest requirments.....plus you don't need FA's |
Quoting RobK (Reply 22): Just heard a JetBlue 757-300 on HF SJU-JFK, JBU4121. Wondered what it was but selcal has it down as N550TZ of Amtran. |
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4): The wheels seem to be coming off at B6. I was suprised when folks were posting that B6 was removing seats from their 320's to reduce weight and flt att's, then was chartering 757 and DC10 to give them lift. |
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4): The wheels seem to be coming off at B6. I was suprised when folks were posting that B6 was removing seats from their 320's to reduce weight and flt att's, then was chartering 757 and DC10 to give them lift. Then the storm fiasco. Last night they were throwing out ground stops left and right into JFK for their own aircraft...revising and revising. |
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4): The chartering of aircraft for additional lift is quite puzzling on many points. It almost looks like they were spiraling down desperately chasing a revenue stream at all costs. |
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 24): OK, tell me which other airlines in the past have chartered flights to get the passengers out. DId UA or F9 when DIA was recently hit with bad weather. NO. |
Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 26): Most airlines don't charter aircraft but rather rotate in larger aircraft to add the extra capacity... we saw it with DEN a couple months ago where extra widebodies were flown in... since B6 doesn't have larger aircraft they have to charter them... |
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 21): ut, wouldn't it make sense to run them 121 and earn SOME revenue? |
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 8): but with such big operations at BOS and JFK something was bound to happen sometime. |
Quoting LGA777 (Reply 16): Look at this reposition |
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 25): I think B6 isn't as adept to handling winter storms as probably UA and AA are since those airlines have to deal with ORD. |
Quoting Motopolitico (Reply 27): This comes down to two glaring flaws in B6's business model: 1. 2 fleet types. Them parking the E-jets is proof positive that two fleet types are too many for them. 2. They are not point-to-point operators. JFK is a HUB, not a focus city. |
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 25): I think B6 isn't as adept to handling winter storms as probably UA and AA are since those airlines have to deal with ORD. |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9): So how does WN handle these sorts of situations? Does WN have reciprocal agreements or additional capacity/crews on standby? |
Quoting Motopolitico (Reply 27): This past summer, when HOU had to close due to flooding, the only cancellations on WN were flights to and from HOU. I was flying MHT-BWI-SDF that day, and was shocked at how little pandemonium there actually was. That's because WN truly seems to be a point-to-point carrier, and closing a single station or even more than one does not have nearly the ripple effect of closing a hub. Now I'm sure that there was a lot of scurrying going on behind the scenes to get crews and equipment where they needed to be, and maybe OPNL Guy can let us in on what that's like, but the fact that Wn operates a simple fleet and flies point to point had to have made their job easier. I think the single biggest thing B6 can do to help themselves is, if they can't de-hub JFK, they should at least CONNECT THE DOTS. They could fill jets flying direct BTV-FLL, so why don't they? |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9): So how does WN handle these sorts of situations? Does WN have reciprocal agreements or additional capacity/crews on standby? |
Quoting Motopolitico (Reply 27): two glaring flaws in B6's business model: 1. 2 fleet types. Them parking the E-jets is proof positive that two fleet types are too many for them. |
Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 6): Sure, horrible weather can screw any airline's operations. Denver took days to unwrap in December from being shut down. But that was right before Christmas when all airlines are mostly full in every direction. JetBlue seems to melt down to a greater degree, in less extreme cases, and takes a lot longer to recover. I believe they have to beef up their reserves (aircraft and crews) significantly during peak times. That definitely costs more but they are really wrecking their better-than-average image when they have excessively bad performance that leads to rather public horror stories like those from the past few days and the next couple. |
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4): Obviously they have sold to the public a schedule they cannot operate. |
Quoting Motopolitico (Reply 27): Now I'm sure that there was a lot of scurrying going on behind the scenes to get crews and equipment where they needed to be, and maybe OPNL Guy can let us in on what that's like, but the fact that Wn operates a simple fleet and flies point to point had to have made their job easier. |
Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter): Sounds like JetBlue is throwing in the towel on the entire E190 system for 48 hours with the hopes of starting fresh on Monday. Seems awully drastic to just flat-out park everything for two days during a period of good weather. The President's Day weekend usually marks that start of the heavy spring vacation travel period. |
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 46): Parking planes to rebound your schedule sounds kind of drastic. |
Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter): JetBlue is taking this aggressive, unprecedented action to end rolling delays and cancellations, and to operate a new schedule reliably |