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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 49):
Yankee trivia quiz.... Who lived at 1313 Mocking Bird Lane...

Wayne Gretzky?  Confused


 Wink
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 12):
Well Row 13 was sucked out of a 737 in HNL when the top of the fuselage was ripped off,,, who was that aloha airlines..

I thought the only thing to be sucked out was an FA.
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 23):
Also, CLE has no gate C13 or D13 (both are skipped).

GLA does not have a gate 13 either!
it would be rude not to!
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Jpax (Reply 50):
Wayne Gretzky?

Think 60's TV show...  angel   devil 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 36):
Every AZ 77 i've seen at MXP and FCO have been irish registered

Not all. Most of them in fact have Italian registrations (I-DISA -DISB, -DISD, -DISE, -DISO, -DISU). Only the four 777s leased from GECAS have Irish registrations (EI-DBK, -DBL, DBM, -DDH).

Quoting Leskova (Reply 38):
Why not? What's wrong about the 5050?

We should ask those who flew FRA-RSW on DE. DE5050 used to be the flight number for the inbound to RSW if memory serves me correctly.
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 17):
i'm pretty sure all chinese carrier have row 13 on their aircraft, since the number 13 is actaully a Lucky number for Chinese.

I thought Cathay Pacific had no row 13 in any planes

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 51):
I thought the only thing to be sucked out was an FA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243

You're correct.
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 43):
Columbus may be different, mainly because buildings of that height didn't appear in Ohio until later in the skyscraper game

That was the theory that I had entertained. I was trying to figure out an easy way to see if buildings in Cleveland had a 13th floor--since Cleveland's downtown and its skyscrapers are much older than most of Columbus'.

It appears that the oldest skyscraper in Columbus, built in the 1930s, (basically a shorter version of the Empire State building) does have a 13th numbered floor. A law firm claims Suite 1300 as home.

Nevertheless, it wouldn't surprise me if Cleveland and Cincinnati, much older cities, avoided the 13th floor, but newer Columbus just didn't care.
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 51):
I thought the only thing to be sucked out was an FA.

Yes....I clarified in Post 28....I don't know where he got that Row 13 was sucked out.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 28):
The Aloha 737 (N73711, flying as AQ 243) was flying from Hilo to Honolulu, but diverted to Maui. Row 13 was NOT sucked out....the only person sucked out was F/A C. B. Lansing who was standing at Row 5.

The only F/A in that incident who was not iunjured was Michelle Honda who was standing near Row 13.

NO Rows were sucked out in this incident. All passenger seats landed with the aircraft and all passengers survived.

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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:11 am

DL's 764 have a row 13. Rows 13 and 14 are acutally the best to snag if you fly HNL-LAX, SFO, SLC. These 2 rows are disignated as crew rest seats so the leg room is huge.!
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:37 am

I might call it unlucky if this were to occur

Flight: NW1313
Dep: 1313
Arr: 2300
Seat 13A
Date: April 13, 2007

Oh, and if the call sign were Apollo! LOL!
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:48 am

Ah, it's just baseless superstition. Emergency exit rows are contraversial too. I sat in seat F on the exit row (15?) when UA squeezed me in on one of their 752's a while back. I actually like it, there's more leg room and besides, I'd be one of the first off the plane in the event of an event.  

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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onbo

Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
It's also very rare to find a 13th floor in a hotel in Europe, and many other parts of the world.

I'm pretty sure in Italy this "law" doesn't apply...
IMHO, how stupid is that.. even if you name if 14 it will always remain the 13th floor.. May be we should leave the 13th floor empty  Wink
In Italy the 17 is the unlucky number anyways, because XVII can be written as VIXI which in Latin is the past of "live"
Typical superstitious, BS if you ask me. And i never saw a number skipped.

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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 25):
Fairly common thing for airports to skip gate 13. LAS does not have an A13, B13, C13 or D13. I think more airports tend to skip gate 13 than there are airlines that will skip row 13.

ya know i just noticed that....thanx for pointing that out!! those gate numbers just dont sound right for some odd reason......
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 55):
I thought Cathay Pacific had no row 13 in any planes

Cathay is not a 100% chinese carrier, you have to learn more about Hong Kong's History, CX was a British owned airlines. it is still pro-western until today. it gets politcal when u get into it.
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 37):

But you start with floor 1, not floor 0 (Ground Floor, rez-de-chaussée). Your floor 13 (if you had one) is actually floor 12.

not really. ive been to LAS 4 times recently, and stayed in different hotels each time. while in the elevator you would see the following buttons



G (for ground) or L (for lobby)

1
2
3
4
5
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7
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so on...
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:59 pm

Wouldn't worry me either way - my house number is '13' !!!

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 49):
Yankee trivia quiz.... Who lived at 1313 Mocking Bird Lane...

Not so much a Yankee trivia quiz, the show was on around the world - "The Munsters"
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
Very few buildings in the USA have a floor 13, or atleast numbered as 13.

Spot on. All buildings with a story height or 13 floors or more have a 13th floor, regardless how its numbered. Same with airplanes. All airplanes with more than 13 rows have a 13th row. It is all semantics on the number system or how you want to look at it.
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:41 pm

Many hotels in Japan have a 13th floor but don't have a 4th floor. If the hotel is western owned, it might not have 4th and 13th floor.

ANA has neither a row 4 or 13 on their 744s or 773s. They do have a row 4 on their 772s but no row 13.

Can't find JLs but I wonder if they have a 4th or 13th.

4 in Japanese "Shi" and Chinese "Si" are unlucky. In Japanese Shinu means "to die" and the kanji by itself is "death". If you use the wrong tone on the chinese word "si" for "four" you are saying "si" meaning "to die" or "death".

In some countries the number 7 is not lucky yet for Boeing 777 is a good plane. It would be very unlucky in another part of the world.

If international airlines were to take out rows based on the unluckiness, they would be very unlucky in their business model.
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 65):
the show was on around the world - "The Munsters"

It was??  boggled 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:06 pm

I was sat in 13G with EI flying ORD-DUB a few years ago. I know most hotels dont have a 13th floor.
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting OkAY (Reply 27):
Finnair has row 13 on its aircraft and it has the famous devil's number as a flight number. This flight is a return service from Copenhagen to Helsinki as AY666. In Finland, as one can see, superstition does not play a role in the business life.

Hehe row 13 on flight AY666 to HEL Big grin


For me 13 is one of my lucky numbers. Along with 17, 5, 6 and 24.

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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting Airman99o (Reply 6):
Cannot say that 13 is the unlucky row in my 320 fleet. as that is the row that has the most room and reclines, As 12 and 13 are the Emergency Exit Rows

On AC 320's row 13 is the second row behind J class. This section is reserved for FF's and I, despite of being a lowly Prestige, book a window seat in this row very often. Emergency exit rows are 15 and 16.
BTW, does anybody know why AC WB's (and many NB's as well) don't have B seats?
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:17 pm

Here in england a lot of roads do not have the house number 13 .
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:28 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 71):
BTW, does anybody know why AC WB's (and many NB's as well) don't have B seats?

It's so the aisle seat always has the same letter designator, e.g. the narrowbody A319/320/321 has seats numbered AC DF in the 4-abreast J cabin, and ABC DEF in the 6-abreast Y cabin. The C and D seats are thus always aisle seats regardless of class or number of seats abreast.

EMB-175/190 are A DF in the 3-abreast J cabin and AC DF in the 2-2 Y cabin. Again, D is always the aisle seat on the right hand side, as it is on the Airbus narrowbodies.

The same holds true in the widebodies. For example, on AC's new 777s, seats in the 4-across J cabin (flat beds) are A DG K, and seats in the 3-3-3 Y cabin are ABC DEG HJK A and K are thus always window seats, D and G are always aisle seats in the center section, and in Y class, C and H are always aisle seats in the outboard sections nearest the windows.

The same applies on the A330/340 where the 2-2-2 J cabin is AC DG HK, and the 2-4-2 Y cabin is AC DEFG HK. C and H again always aisle seats in the outboard sections and D and G always aisle seats in the center section regardless of class.

AC 767s follow the above pattern for the other widebodies except for the center section where the aisle seats are always D and F instead of D and G as on the A330/340/777. e.g. the 762 with domestic J cabin (2-2-2) is AC DF HK. The 763 with the international J cabin (the old J product, not the new flat bed seats now being introduced) is either AC DF K or A DF HK depending whether it's an original AC aircraft (2-2-1) or an ex-CP aircraft (1-2-2).

Y class on all AC 767s (2-3-2) is AC DEF HK. Again, like all other widebodies, C and H are always the aisle seats in the sections adjacent to the windows. Only inconsistency on the widebodies seems to be that the F seat is an aisle seat in the center section on 767s but a middle seat in the center section on A330/340.

Many other carriers follow similar practices of trying to use similar letters for equivalent seats on different types, thus the missing letters on some types and in certain classes. If AC still had 747s, with the standard 747 10-abreast Y configuration (3-4-3), the seats would be ABC DEFG HJK. Again, C and H always aisle seats in the outboard window sections, and D and G always aisles in the center section. The letter I isn't used as it looks too much like the number 1. Basically, the widebody seat numbering system started with the 747 (the first widebody) and the missing letters on other types reflect the fewer seats abreast, but with other seats bearing equivalent letters to identify their location as aisles/windows and in either the window or center sections.

Hope that helps.
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:38 pm

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 63):
Cathay is not a 100% chinese carrier, you have to learn more about Hong Kong's History, CX was a British owned airlines. it is still pro-western until today. it gets politcal when u get into it.

I majored in Chinese politics and am almost fluent in Mandarin Chinese...I know China about as well as possible considering I am not Chinese nor have a PhD in a China related field (maybe someday). My question more referred to the fact that culturally, Hong Kong is Chinese, and since the #13 is a cultural thing, as even you said, I was curious...
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:51 am

SpiceJet in India has it. While booking that was the only window available. So "luckily" I took it. LOL
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:21 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 73):

I guess I learned something again. Thanks!
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:16 pm

What about the European Charter and LCC's?

Any of these use row 13?
 
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RE: Unlucky Row13 -which Airlines Have Row 13 Onboard?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 55):
You're correct.



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 57):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 51):
I thought the only thing to be sucked out was an FA.

Yes....I clarified in Post 28....I don't know where he got that Row 13 was sucked out.

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 28):
The Aloha 737 (N73711, flying as AQ 243) was flying from Hilo to Honolulu, but diverted to Maui. Row 13 was NOT sucked out....the only person sucked out was F/A C. B. Lansing who was standing at Row 5.

The only F/A in that incident who was not iunjured was Michelle Honda who was standing near Row 13.

NO Rows were sucked out in this incident. All passenger seats landed with the aircraft and all passengers survived.

-Aloha!

Yes. Sorry I didn't see your post. I actually had a business lunch with Michelle last month and am honored. She currently flies on a private aircraft that my company is associated with. She is an intelligent, brave, and beautiful person.

Buy according to the story that she told, one FA was stuck halfway out a window and Michelle was trying to hold onto her, one was departed, and the other was fine.
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