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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:58 am

My vote is for a LH 343. If you look closely at the picture, the third contrail from the bottom, slightly to the left of that you'll notice a "sun"-shaped object on the tail. Hence, it must be LH.


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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting FLLspoter (Reply 13):
That only leaves Candaian and Thai Orinet Airways

Canadian's been gone for some time.

I'm going with LH340 as well
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:14 am

It's a UA 744 in old livery. It looks pretty clear to me.

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting An-225 (Reply 52):
It's a UA 744 in old livery. It looks pretty clear to me.

That was my initial guess, but it seems pretty clear that it's not. The yellow ball on the tail automatically eliminates UA from contention, and I don't even think it's a 744..

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:22 am

My vote goes to UA's old livery. I originally thought it was Malaysia.
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 50):
My vote is for a LH 343

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:33 am

I got another one!

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:51 am

No its BA.

The defining point actually is the underbelly, the colors on it are BA Blue. So might say Oriental Thai but the tail from what I see of it is not as closely designed to it as a BA plane.

It is also a 744, you can tell by closely looking at the bulb on top with the winglets accompanying it.
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:01 am

I zoomed it to 600 the original size and that shade of blue look like a Ba..
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:04 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 57):
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Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 58):
JetJeanes

I beg to differ..

Does anyone else see the yellow on the tail? Maybe my eyes are going..  sarcastic 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:26 am

How could it be a LH340 when the pic shows blue engines and the LH340's have gray.
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 53):
The yellow ball on the tail automatically eliminates UA from contention, and I don't even think it's a 744..

How can you tell there is a yellow ball on the tail for sure?

Quoting Katwspotter (Reply 60):
How could it be a LH340 when the pic shows blue engines and the LH340's have gray.

Totally Agree

IMHO: UA 744 in the old colors, my reasons have already been given in everyone else's replies.

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:27 am

Thanks guys... that will be all! Thanks and have a good one!
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:30 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 61):
How can you tell there is a yellow ball on the tail for sure?

Look to the left of the third contrail from the bottom
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:53 am

Looks a little like Uniteds Old Livery
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:24 am

I hate to burst anyone's bubbles but it could not be BA, LH, UA, Varig every one is looking at the nose and tail but it doesn't have dark coloured engines for BA,UA or Varig and it can't be LH for the fact it has a dark belly and UA the blue reaches the windows. AC doesn't have a blue belly. Aeroflot the blue sweeps up to the tail and the engines are blue front grey back. I do however concur about it being something like a 340 not a Jumbo
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:39 am

Could it possily be the 707 i've linked

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/1160675/L/
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting Skytony (Reply 8):
looks like United's old paint job.

I'd have to agree. Pretty much the only color the bottom could be is blue. Instead of white, the fuselage is probably overexposed grey, and we can tell that the tail is also blue, and with a small reddish logo on it (like the United Tulip).
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:21 pm

By looking only at the originally posted pic, I'd say the wing form and absence of an extended tailcone lean more to B747, not A340. Two major problems (apart from distance/resolution): 1) The overhead sun hides the engines entirely, you can only see shadows 2)The contrast between the sunlit upper fuselage and the shadowed wings and belly make color judgements impossible.

However, I think it will be easier to tell the answer in this pic...


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What I don't understand now is why the OP was sure it wasn't UA? Maybe relying on a flight tracker or timetable? Could have been a ferry flight?

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:52 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 43):
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 42):
This is just rubbish, seeing as UA's logo is not even a "U", but more of a filled in "U". This argument can go on forever, no one will really know what it is and whose it is without more info. I still say it is an A340. I do not know why it took such an idiot like me to say that 35 replies into the thread.

Plus, that a/c is white, and if it was UA's new livery, than the tail would not even have anything that remotely looks anything like a "U".

Dude, why do you have to trash other people's opinions as rubbish just be cause you don't agree with them? Was that really necessary?

Maybe I needed to be more specific. I put the "U" in quotes to symbolize the old UA tulip U. Also, I thought I could make out the red, orange and blue in the old U against a dark blue tail.

Also, since everyone is not looking at this picture through the same monitor, there is definitely going to be a debate over the color of the fuselage.

I'm also surprised this thread didn't morph into yet another A vs. B session  Smile
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 69):
I'm also surprised this thread didn't morph into yet another A vs. B session

Hmmm, for that to happen we'd have to be able to tell the difference between the two.  Wink
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:59 pm

Quoting Mav75 (Reply 69):
Dude, why do you have to trash other people's opinions as rubbish just be cause you don't agree with them? Was that really necessary?

No, it was not, and I do apologize. I did not in any means intend to trash your opinion to make mine more valid. Unless your monitor is the best in the world, I don't think anyone can make out anything on that picture. Sorry again.

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:04 pm

Just looking at it I know that's a Canadian Airlines 747. The date of the picture would confirm my answer, but I'd say that definitely is Canadian Airlines.
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:25 pm

Hmmm...Would we be able to see the red on the winglets? Probably not, so I guess it's possible. It could also be the "new" (1999) livery, which doesn't have the red arrow on the winglets, but also doesn't have the red on the tail.


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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:30 pm

Just by looking at the photo, you can see a gold logo on the tail. I am still sticking with my guess of a LH A343.
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:47 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 74):
Just by looking at the photo, you can see a gold logo on the tail. I am still sticking with my guess of a LH A343.

Hmmm, I'm not at my home PC with photo software, but it looks to me just using paint and MS picture manager that the "sun" has an awful lot of red pixels in it. And that aircraft belly sure is dark compared to the clear blue sky, while the wings are distinctly lighter. That's not an all-white fuselage, IMHO. And for the engines, they could be in shadow, but they still seem far too dark to be LH gray. And the Airbus tailcone, where's that? It should be just below your red setting sun. And the distortion of the nose? Any LH 340s suffer an in-flight break-up? Or is that just camera-induced distortion in the image. Or perhaps it could be an upper deck...how manyLH 340s have those?

Going by the similarities between this image and this one, I am still more convinced than not it's a UA 744, just not one the OP was expecting. I guess my confidence is about 60%, just because of the similarities between the OP photo and the other I just linked to. Without that I'd be well under 50%. I don't think anyone can get better confidence than that with the OP photo quality, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

edit: I'm lowering my confidence...the more I look, even 50% is pushing it. Looking at this view of BA livery, it could be BA- especially since the leading edge of engines 1&2 have a glitter, suggesting a large polished intake like on BA's livery, but not UA's. (Although this could be a difference in engines, which I am admittedly unfamiliar with...Do all of UA's 744 have the same engines?)

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:52 pm

Electech6299 post give the proof. I'd definately say United.
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:42 pm

Look at how wide the wings are near the fuselage. It couldn't be anything but a 747.
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:20 pm

May be it's UN 742?

Picture is too small...
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 74):
Just by looking at the photo, you can see a gold logo on the tail. I am still sticking with my guess of a LH A343.

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I don't think there's much of a doubt that it's a LH 744..
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 27):
LH leaves the engines grey so I also tend to UA



Quoting Katwspotter (Reply 60):
How could it be a LH340 when the pic shows blue engines and the LH340's have gray.

No way could it be LH. Staying with UA on this one.
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:01 am

Orient Thai? Maybe Transaero
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:03 am

Sorry for my earlier comment that it couldn't be LH after having done some serious zooming of this image, what appears as blue is in fact shaddowed grey as are the engines and so I would say beyond a doubt it is LH 744 if you check, it is wider in front and has a blue and gold tail. If i were able to down load a 1GB image file I could show it but can't do that.
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 79):

I don't think there's much of a doubt that it's a LH 744..

Wow...correction: LH 343...although it could be a 744..
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:36 am

I still have serious doubts about a white/gray fuselage and engines.

Why would engines 1&2 be more in shadow than engines 3&4? But they are definitely darker. I would think the left wing would be in more light and sharper contrast than the shadowed right wing. The left engines look sharply dark, the right engines are hazy and indistinguishable.

The dark coloring at the wing root seems too well defined to be a shadow. Why would the "shadow" be consistent at the leading and trailing edge? And why would the center of the fuselage show a dark shadow but not the expanded wing root? Typically, shadows follow the shape and dissipate at the leading and trailing edges of the wing.

I still can't get past how many people believe their eyes and call the logo on the tail "gold". Hmm, the upper fuselage is overexposed, the rest of the tail is overexposed, but the logo is magically perfectly rendered by the camera as a bright gold? And how to explain the red pixellation in the gold? IMHO, the tail logo is an overexposed red with sun glare.

As to the 340vs744, please zoom on the nose and explain the shape. Overall impression may resemble a 340, but I would say that if this image is a 340 then it was either seriously distorted at the front 1/4 of the fuselage or it was undergoing inflight breakup.
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:56 am

It is not possible to be completely conclusive with this TYPE and AIRLINE although trying has been good fun.

I live under the main transatlantic routes from Europe to USA/Canada and have watched overflights for many years (up to 100 per day). I dare say I have looked at tens of thousands of flights over the years with binoculars and have also photographed some. I am very unlikely to mix up a LH 747-400 with a United 747-400 or an Airbus A340 with a 747.

I think I can say that I have experience in this field.

Having enlarged the shot and taken measurements, the fuselage forward of the wings is substantially thicker than that behind the wings.

ONLY the 747 has an extended upper deck forward of the wings - how can it therefore be an Airbus A340?

However there is a strange effect taking place in the photo due to the low resolution. The far two engines disappear completely whereas they should protrude below the wings at the angle the plane is viewed at. This could be caused by lack of contrast with the blue sky suggesting that the engines may be blue on this plane.

Also, on enlargement, the under body behind the wing has been chopped in three "circles" like the shot had been interfered with by software such as photoshop but I am sure this is not the case (hopefully).

A glint from winglets is clearly visible.

The contrast between the upper and lower body is too high to be caused by contrast/shadow alone. The lower body therefore must be coloured dark, and it looks like dark blue / navy to me.

The vertical stabilizer does indeed on it's own look very like Lufthansa however the dark lower body conflicts with this.

Perhaps it is closest to United 747-400 (previous colours) or if the shot was taken some time ago, Canadian 747-400. I know there are small bits of red on Canadian, but these areas are much to small to be visible on this level of resolution.
The upper body grey on these two airlines becomes much lighter when in the sky and lit by sun. In fact I have seen the grey almost look white on occasions.

It truly is a mystery and indeed without a further shot or more information, not possible to conclude.
 
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:20 am

A lot of you guys are trippin'! That is a 747, no ifs, ands, or buts about it! Those are 100% positively 747 wings on that aircraft. Those of you suggesting an A340 or DC8, have you not seen their wings?? Every aircraft, even though might appear similar due to things like having 4 engines, have their own distinct characteristic wing shapes. THAT is a 747.

My first reaction was a UA 744 (in the grey colors). Not saying I am perfect, but I am quite used to spotting aircraft in the distance with the naked eye and having my first reaction be correct.
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Awthompson (Reply 85):
Perhaps it is closest to United 747-400 (previous colours) or if the shot was taken some time ago, Canadian 747-400.

Interesting and thorough analysis, but I wonder why you discount the possibility of BA? I disagree that the red tailcone would be visible, it is barely visible in this aircraft.

My guess is this is a cell phone picture, which puts it most likely beyond the life of Canadian. I remain at about 50% confidence that it is either UA or BA B747. The other 50% belongs to low resolution, excessive contrast, poor angle (hiding identifying markers), and possibility of image manipulation (unlikely IMHO).
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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:54 pm

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:56 pm

Quoting Awthompson (Reply 85):
It is not possible to be completely conclusive with this TYPE and AIRLINE although trying has been good fun.

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There is no possible way to be conclisive unless someone has a nifty photoshop to clean up the image and zoom a gizillion times. Had a lot of fun trying to find out tho!!

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 82):
what appears as blue is in fact shaddowed grey as are the engines and so I would say beyond a doubt it is LH 744

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RE: What Airline On This Picture?

Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Electech6299 (Reply 87):
Interesting and thorough analysis, but I wonder why you discount the possibility of BA? I disagree that the red tailcone would be visible, it is barely visible in this aircraft.

Yes, BA is of course possible taking it that the vapour stream from the number two engine could really be hiding most of the vertical stabilizer. I could not rule that out, although on enlargement I would have liked to have seen at least a little spec of red.

A fresh look at the pic today looks exactly how United (previous colours) 747s look to me through binoculars when in the cruise above me. Since I am slightly south of a track, that is the same angle exactly that I get. The brightness up there exaggerates both the upper body grey and the little tail logo and it looks just like the one in the photo.

I think it is very close to image below but taken perhaps 20 or 30 seconds later when the vertical stabilizer has came into view behind the tail wing. The effect of the engines on the far wing blending into the sky is even happening slightly on the following shot just like the one we have been discussing.


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I doubt however that this is a mobile phone pic. I have had digital cameras which achieved 10X zoom and with further digital enlargement barely even achieved this type of image. It is actually quite good for around 7 or 8 miles away. A pretty high optical zoom has been used for that shot along with some digital zoom afterwards perhaps.

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