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CRJ 1000 Launch?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:00 pm

Bombardier Aerospace Launches 100-Seat CRJ1000 Regional Jet

Montréal, February 19, 2007

Program launched with firm orders, conditional orders and options for more than 60 aircraft


Deliveries to begin in the fourth quarter of calendar year 2009
Bombardier announced today the launch of its CRJ1000 regional jet, the next major step in the evolution of the CRJ Series aircraft family, the world's most successful family of regional aircraft.

Previously designated the CRJ900X jet, the CRJ1000 regional airliner is designed specifically to meet the needs of growing regional airlines for jets of up to 100 seats, with a focus on extremely low operating costs and improvements to cabin comfort.

"We anticipated the need for larger regional aircraft when we introduced the CRJ700 regional jet in 1997 and the CRJ900 regional jet in 2000. These aircraft are now the backbones of many airline fleets worldwide," said Pierre Beaudoin, President and Chief Operating Officer, Bombardier Aerospace. "Today, with the CRJ1000 aircraft, Bombardier continues to build on its ongoing commitment to product innovation. The CRJ1000 regional jet combines the proven platform, reliability and flexible cabin configurations of its predecessors with its closest competitor having up to 15 per cent higher trip cash operating costs."

The CRJ1000 aircraft program is launched with 38 firm orders, 15 of which are CRJ900 conversions, and 23 conditional orders and options. The following three customers have placed these orders.

Brit Air of Morlaix, France, a wholly owned subsidiary of Air France, has placed a firm order for eight CRJ1000 aircraft, and has taken options on eight additional CRJ1000 aircraft. Based on CRJ1000 list price, the value of Brit Air's eight firm ordered aircraft is approximately $371 million US which could rise to $768 million US if the airline exercises its eight options.

With the launch of the CRJ1000 aircraft, My Way Airlines of Italy is converting, as announced in September 2006, 15 of its 19 CRJ900 regional jet orders to CRJ1000 regional jets. The original contract value for the 19 CRJ900 aircraft, based on CRJ900 aircraft list price, was approximately $702 million US. This value will increase to approximately $857 million US for four CRJ900 and 15 CRJ1000 aircraft, based on CRJ900 and CRJ1000 aircraft list prices.

An undisclosed customer has placed a firm order for 15 of the aircraft, with a conditional order for an additional 15. Based on CRJ1000 list price, the contract value for this 15 aircraft firm order is approximately $704 million US, which could increase to $1.5 billion US if the airline's 15 conditional orders are executed.

The new CRJ1000 regional jet is scheduled to enter service in the fourth quarter of calendar year 2009. First flight is scheduled for the summer of 2008. With a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) of 91,800 pounds (41,632 kilograms), the CRJ1000 aircraft will offer a maximum range of 1,691 nautical miles (3,139 kilometres) with 100 passengers, under certain operating conditions. Compared to older generation aircraft of similar passenger capacity currently in operation, the CRJ1000 will also respond to today's environmental needs by providing substantially lower fuel consumption and achieving up to 30 per cent reduced carbon dioxide engine emissions.

About Bombardier
A world-leading manufacturer of innovative transportation solutions, from regional aircraft and business jets to rail transportation equipment, systems and services, Bombardier Inc. is a global corporation headquartered in Canada. Its revenues for the fiscal year ended Jan. 31, 2006, were $14.7 billion US and its shares are traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange (BBD). News and information are available at www.bombardier.com.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:16 pm

Just another stretch of the basic airframe? Bombardier REALLY needs to widen and heighten the cabin by at least 10 inches around.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:19 pm

I presume it won't take much to break even given it is a stretch. But, surely BBD realises that this will not save the company's commercial aircraft division. This is going to be as popular with the airlines as the 767-400 program. I guess it will give existing customers an option for growth. How much bigger is it over the 900? 2 or 3 rows?

Flaws aside, I am sure it will look nice from the outside. CRJ stretches has a tendancy to look very sleek.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting H53Epilot (Thread starter):
Program launched with firm orders, conditional orders and options for more than 60 aircraft

60 aircraft ? Exactly the number rumored to be placed by LH for Embraer aircraft, coincidence ?
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 3):
60 aircraft ? Exactly the number rumored to be placed by LH for Embraer aircraft, coincidence ?

The opening thread mentions Brit Air (now that's a surprise!!) and MyWay Airlines plus one undisclosed customer signing up for 38 firm and 23 options altogether. But, LH may be the undisclosed customer for 15 + 15...

First flight summer 2008 and entry into service in late 2009... that's a long testflight period, isn't it? But I guess they're doing it to get rid of all bugs in one go...
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:17 am

A triple-stretched CRJ...

man, I'm glad that DL won't be getting these due to their scope clauses  Silly .
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:21 am

No big surprise, yet another BBD streatch, but why is it taking so long to enter service !!!

The MYWAY 15 upgrade is no real surprise either.

Brit Air signing for 8+8 that's interesting, but commonality is probably the selection reason.

Mystery 15+15, who knows who that might be, as LH's requirement was for 60 airframes, seems
a low firm order if its them and the delivery date is kinda far off for them too.

Is this development also going to knock the C series on the head or maybe a delay tactic.

Still dont see how the streatch is going to rake in a large order book, bt we will wait and see.

I guess Embraer will not be surpised by this move, though the CRJ 1000 is late on the market and does'nt match the comform of the EMB"s
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:34 am

I do not want to tell to much.
But with 95% LH will receive 40 EMB jets by autumm to replace BAe 146s from EW and EN.
Source is internal and from the 12th feb.
I wouldn't be surprised if the airline behind the 15/15 order is LH CityLine as they are very happy with the CR9
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 7):
I do not want to tell to much.
But with 95% LH will receive 40 EMB jets by autumm to replace BAe 146s from EW and EN.
Source is internal and from the 12th feb.
I wouldn't be surprised if the airline behind the 15/15 order is LH CityLine as they are very happy with the CR9

Interesting, thanks for sharing.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:55 am

Not a terrible idea on BBD's part - it's (should be) pretty inexpensive to develop a stretch, due to the fact that the company has all of the tooling and systems worked out, so if it is going to sell them more airplanes, then it is a good decision. Very much like the B764 - there weren't a lot sold, but there didn't need to be.

I guess my only question is in regards to the CL-6xx airframe's limitations - BBD's getting a lot of flexibility out of what was originally drawn up as the Challenger series of business jets - where is the size that the airframe and engine and systems combination stops being efficient at doing what its asked to do?

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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:15 am

Great news about the CRJ-1000! Has anyone heard anything about the stretch of the Q400?
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:16 am

Does anyone have a picture of what it will look like? Will it be longer than the A346?  Silly
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 6):
Brit Air signing for 8+8 that's interesting



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
The opening thread mentions Brit Air (now that's a surprise!!)

FYI, Brit Air was the launch customer for the CRJ700.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Salomon (Reply 11):
Does anyone have a picture of what it will look like?

Go to www.flightglobal.com, it's their current cover story with some pics.

Congrats to Bombardier. I can definetly see 30 CRJ1000 for LH CityLine and 40 E-jets for LH mainline.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 12):
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
The opening thread mentions Brit Air (now that's a surprise!!)

FYI, Brit Air was the launch customer for the CRJ700.

Yes, but I assumed that their F100 would be replaced by E190. Good to read that the CRJ1000 appeals to them as well  Smile
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 7):
I do not want to tell to much.
But with 95% LH will receive 40 EMB jets by autumm to replace BAe 146s from EW and EN.
Source is internal and from the 12th feb.
I wouldn't be surprised if the airline behind the 15/15 order is LH CityLine as they are very happy with the CR9

I share your thoughts that, as it stands now, LH is very, very seriously considering the Embraer Jets. However, the number of 40 aircraft and the delivery date (by autumn, assuming this year?) are incorrect. Although those planes may eventually replace the BAe 146s (let's face it, those birds are crap!), first and foremost they are currently viewed to substitute similarly sized LH mainline aircraft.

it is very unlikely that CLH is behind the 15/15 order. the CRJ1000 has pretty much been ruled out as unfavorouble: it is simply too long a tube, turnaround times a negatively affected.

still, I think the odds are very good that CLH will eventually opt for an additional CR9s (supplementing a regional aircraft order that may (or may not) come this year by LH) as both CLH and LH are indeed extremely happy with their performance. I believe CLH still holds options for 12 additional frames.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:41 am

Great, we started at 40 and 50 people crammed into a sardine can. Then we moved to 70 and 90, now we will have 100. What an uncomfortable, piece of crap platform to keep stretching and cramming more people into. Next thing you know we will see the CRJ5000, with the same platform stretched to a point where it can replace the 747 and hold 500 people. Seriously, when are we going to stop calling these pieces of crap 'regional jets' and call them what they are morphing into, a mainline jet. For the sake of passenger comfort, I hope this project fails!
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:43 am

But don't touch my $99 round trip fare. LOL.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting CRJpurser (Reply 10):
Great news about the CRJ-1000! Has anyone heard anything about the stretch of the Q400?

During the C-Series conference call on Jan. 31, BBD indicated that the Q400 stretch was a long term projects and was not something that was going to be launched soon.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 16):
Great, we started at 40 and 50 people crammed into a sardine can. Then we moved to 70 and 90, now we will have 100.

i share your opinion regarding the comfort of the CRJ100/200 and, to a lesser extent, of the CRJ700. and granted, it depends on the respective's airlines configuration, but e.g. LH's CRJ900 are an extremely comfortably jet! nice intereriors, sufficent leg and head space, the aisles are not too low. initially, I feared the CRJ900 would be as bad as the others, but it's not, not even close!
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:59 am

So, Bombardier's wing cut a little by Embraer ?  Wink How far can you stretch, really? Will the passengers have comfort sitting in such a tube? Sure the MD-80 series were long, but the cabin was wider and the fuselage more metal.

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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting Salomon (Reply 11):
Does anyone have a picture of what it will look like? Will it be longer than the A346?

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Thanks for the laugh!!! Now that would be something of interest!

I guess it would be similar to the 717, although just a tad smaller...
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:03 am

I take it the 1000 will still have rear mounted engines, but I would like to see the CRJ answer to the ERJ 170. In my opinion, the 170 is the best looking regional aircraft there is. The new "Russian" jet coming in a close second.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:54 am

Looks like there are some cabin improvements coming as well, accordin gto this article in todays YYZ Star:

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/183285

"It is based on the design of the CRJ700 jet introduced 1997 and the bigger CRJ900 that followed in 2000. But the aircraft’s overhead storage bins will be enlarged to handle regular-sized carry-on luggage, the windows will be larger and lighting will be improved."

Can't lower the floor, so how do you put enlarged bins in to handle "regular sized" carry-on luggage?
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 23):
Can't lower the floor, so how do you put enlarged bins in to handle "regular sized" carry-on luggage?

Lie-flat seats so the bins can be lower and people won't complain about lack of head space  Silly .
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 7):
But with 95% LH will receive 40 EMB jets by autumm to replace BAe 146s from EW and EN.

I assume you mean placement of order, I dont think EMB could ramp up production that fast.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:49 am

Can we imagine a super long CRJ-2000 here. 2 X 2 200 seater LOL!
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 24):
Lie-flat seats so the bins can be lower and people won't complain about lack of head space

lol.... that would be quite a stretch to get 100 lie-flat seats into a CRJ!
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:59 am

are there any pictures of this bird anywhere yet? i'm curious!

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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:02 am

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 7):
But with 95% LH will receive 40 EMB jets by autumm to replace BAe 146s from EW and EN.

Plus - likely - another 15 for Swiss, placement of order maybe next week. But well, not the first time this order is talked about...
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Metroliner (Reply 28):
are there any pictures of this bird anywhere yet?

There's a picture attached to this news article from The Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...mbardier0219/BNStory/Business/home

Not the best picture, but its a start!
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 19):
I feared the CRJ900 would be as bad as the others, but it's not, not even close!

Not even close?? How do you define that? The CRJ900 has the exact same cross-section dimensions as the CRJ700 and only 1" better than the CRJ200 while being worse at the floor width by a few inches! By the tape measure the CRJ700/900 is only a marginal improvement.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 23):
Can't lower the floor, so how do you put enlarged bins in to handle "regular sized" carry-on luggage?

The CRJ900 bins already almost carry "regular sized" carry-ons so by reconfiguring the design BBD will be able to do it.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:15 am

This is great news from Bombardier Aerospace. Bombardier's product line did really need a 100-seat airliner to be able to offer a full range of aircraft (CRJ 700, CRJ705, CRJ900, CRJ1000). I know that Atlasjet indicated it would be very interested in a CRJ900X, are they still a likely candidate to place orders?

Do we know of any other potential customers for the CRJ 1000?

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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 23):
"It is based on the design of the CRJ700 jet introduced 1997 and the bigger CRJ900 that followed in 2000. But the aircraft’s overhead storage bins will be enlarged to handle regular-sized carry-on luggage, the windows will be larger and lighting will be improved."

Maybe it will have a bubble on top. Big grin

I hope they engineer in more cargo space, as CRJ (any model) flights up here are notorious for leaving luggage behind.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:21 am

@jhonnybegood

The CR9 was out of any discussion for a long time. Finally they ordered and still hold 12 options.
I know that Bombardier offers LH the CR1000 for the price of a CR7!!!!! Additional they pay a good price to take back the CRJ200. 40EMB replacing all BAe would be well within the 6% of Aircrafts greater 70seats that are allowed to be operated outside LH mainline.

@Dougbr2006

When LH overtook Swiss they also bought the EMB195 Slots ordered by Crossair.
It is a long rumor that these orders as to be taken this year to avoid a huge penalty.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting Multimark (Reply 33):
I hope they engineer in more cargo space, as CRJ (any model) flights up here are notorious for leaving luggage behind.

It's not space that's the issue; it's the amount of weight it can hold.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:47 am

Is Bombardier still considering the C-Series or whatever it's called to compete with the ERJ-170s/190s, or is this that jet?

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 16):
Great, we started at 40 and 50 people crammed into a sardine can. Then we moved to 70 and 90, now we will have 100. What an uncomfortable, piece of crap platform to keep stretching and cramming more people into.

Having flown on both CRJ100s/200s and Embraer 135s/145s I truly believe that the CRJs are far more comfortable. I like the 2 + 2 config much more than the 1 + 2 on the ERJs. But, then again, I'm not a very tall person, so that probably helps. And I've also tended to sit up near the front of the ERJs which I know can be a little more cramped.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:08 am

Haven't seen anything that says exactly how much the -900 fuselage is being stretched to create the -1000 but since they say 3 more seat rows it must be around 10 ft. or a little less, unless some of the extra room comes from other interior rearrangements. I'm curious to see how the -1000's "fineness ratio" (ratio of fuselage length to width) compares to other notable significant stretches, for example DC-8-61/63, 757-300, and MD81/82/83/88 and MD-90.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:09 am

Good lord, another stretched CRJ. Just what we needed.  crowded   crowded   crowded 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
Haven't seen anything that says exactly how much the -900 fuselage is being stretched to create the -1000 but since they say 3 more seat rows it must be around 10 ft. or a little less, unless some of the extra room comes from other interior rearrangements.

According to Flight International, the CR10 will get a two-frame stretch (62 inches/1,58m) ahead of the wing and a one-and-a-half frame (1,37m) stretch behind the wing. That's the equivalent of three seat rows @ 31" pitch plus extra space in the rear cargo hold.

I'm curious if operators will order the rear-cabin service door and relocate most of the galleys to the rear, so that more seats can be put in the front of the cabin so pax can board and deplane quicker...?

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 15):
it is very unlikely that CLH is behind the 15/15 order. the CRJ1000 has pretty much been ruled out as unfavorouble: it is simply too long a tube, turnaround times a negatively affected

If it's not LH, who's the mystery shopper then?
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:47 am

Why does AF need CRJ 1000, don't they have the really good E190's ?


Second, wasn't the CRJ 1000 originally called C-series ?
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 40):
Second, wasn't the CRJ 1000 originally called C-series ?

The C-series is a completely different type that will basically look like and compete with the Embraer 170s/190s. Check it out on the Bombardier website.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:03 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
A triple-stretched CRJ...

man, I'm glad that DL won't be getting these due to their scope clauses .

DL could get these....they'd just have to be flown with DL mainline pilots.

Unless they only had 76 seats, but then you'd have like 60" seat pitch....maybe not so bad then.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 16):
Great, we started at 40 and 50 people crammed into a sardine can. Then we moved to 70 and 90, now we will have 100. What an uncomfortable, piece of crap platform to keep stretching and cramming more people into. Next thing you know we will see the CRJ5000, with the same platform stretched to a point where it can replace the 747 and hold 500 people. Seriously, when are we going to stop calling these pieces of crap 'regional jets' and call them what they are morphing into, a mainline jet. For the sake of passenger comfort, I hope this project fails!

 checkmark 

Exactly my thoughts. But we need to look even a little further in the details, apart from the passenger comfort and the narrow body: Europe is not in the lucky position as America, having about everywhere long and wide runways. Those CRJ's are still considered "regionals" and should as that also fly in to smaller airports. Now I can tell you, that on a runway 30 meters wide we are just about turning and ERJ around, but nothing more. A E190 can't be turned if there are no turnpads. Now looking at this looooooooooong CRJ being from it's design with the rear engines automatically longer than any design having the engines under the wings, I am really wondering what operational flexibility with those will be.  Confused

The good old BAe-146's were just about the opposite, short with a wide cabin and having the gear close to the fuselage, so just excellent for about any mission, regardless what the airport is like.

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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 42):
DL could get these....they'd just have to be flown with DL mainline pilots.

Which is why DL won't get them. If DL would get those, they'd come in a 2-class layout like the CR9s, and as such would only offer around 8-12 more seats, depending on the size of First, and for that small seat plus, DL wouldn't want to "waste" mainline pilots on such planes. If anything, DL would be going for a 100-seater that would actually have around 100 seats in service with a 2-class layout, like the E90 or E95.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:50 am

A lot are complaining about 4 stretches of CRJ. Do you realized how many stretches of 737 there has been? I enjoy the CRJ. I as well as others could be rude as to why more americans complain about them than our European counterparts but I wont. Cant wait to read all the specs on their site. They have nothing listed there about it yet. But back to my comment. Everyone loved the CRJ 200 when they were replacing j31/41 amd EMB-120's. Now you get picky again huh? Just be happy that you get to your destination safely and at a reasonable price. I'll be glad to see this aircraft even though here in the states the scope clauses would have to change or eithe mainline would hav to fly them to fill gaps from a 70 seater and a 130 seater. Just my .02.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:17 am

The CRJ1000? Let's give it a name, the "Cigarillo"!
Looking forward to see some picture of this one!
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 45):
A lot are complaining about 4 stretches of CRJ. Do you realize how many stretches of the 737 there have been?

Not to overlook the DC-9/MD-80/MD-90.
 
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 45):
A lot are complaining about 4 stretches of CRJ. Do you realized how many stretches of 737 there has been?

I sure do. And the two don't even compare in comfort. The 737 is far superior.
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RE: CRJ 1000 Launch?

Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 45):
A lot are complaining about 4 stretches of CRJ.

The CRJ platform is based on a business jet, the Challenger to be specific. It was stretched as a CHEAP alternative to building a new platform that was more conducive for airline use, and its intent was for short stage lengths, where comfort could be sacrificed. It was stretched once for the CRJ200, again for the 700, again for the 705/900, and now for the 1000...that is 5 variants to the platform, including the original Challenger. However, the economics of a CRJ on short stage lengths proved to be very poor, reason one why it is a piece of crap. Now airlines are using them on longer stage lengths, 2 to 3 hours plus, replacing many mainline flights. Thus you now have no distinction between a regional carrier and a mainline carrier....reason number two why it is a piece of crap, it eliminated mainline flying and mainline pilot jobs. The thing was never designed for airline use for longer stage lengths where comfort becomes important, reason number three why it is a piece of crap. When used as a business jet, the Challenger is a fine and spacious jet, but only holds a limited number of people, not the 2 + 2 configuration that the RJ has.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 45):
Everyone loved the CRJ 200 when they were replacing j31/41 amd EMB-120's.

They only loved them when they were used for the same missions that the J31/41 and E-120s did, short stage lengths. Now that the Barbie Jets are flying 2 to 3+ hours, many people hate them.
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