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BA Citiflyer

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:15 pm

I was reading in a magazine that BA are to resurrect the BA Cityflyer brand for flights out of LCY

Anyone have any further info?

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RE: BA Citiflyer

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:28 pm

Thats about the long and short of it really.

The Cityflyer name is still registered to BA and is to be used to cover all ops ex LCY to differenciate those from the services operated by mainline from the other London airports.

The whole operation is headed up by some of the current BAConnect management.
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:36 pm

Am I right in thinking the BA 763 service to JFK from MAN will also operate under the "CitiFlyer" brand??
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 2):
Am I right in thinking the BA 763 service to JFK from MAN will also operate under the "CitiFlyer" brand??

No this will be operated as a mainline service using LHR crews.

Also guys just to be picky, its Cityflyer not Citiflyer, the 'citi' was only used for BA Citiexpress.

[Edited 2007-02-19 15:48:09]
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 3):
No this will be operated as a mainline service using LHR crews.

Will they fly up to MAN from LHR to operate the service or will they do LHR-JFK-MAN-JFK-LHR?
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 4):
Will they fly up to MAN from LHR to operate the service or will they do LHR-JFK-MAN-JFK-LHR?

Im not entirely sure on that one Sam. Certianly the flight deck crew passenger up to MAN, at present they are still using Manchester Cabin Crew, but this will end at the end of March. Perhaps a LHR crew member could clarify.
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:14 am

As there are no other BA 767 flights into JFK, I would have thought they would position up to operate.
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 6):
As there are no other BA 767 flights into JFK, I would have thought they would position up to operate.

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Most usually they position up (LHR-MAN) using shuttle flight BA1382 and position back using shuttle flight BA1387 although other flights - mainly BA1384 and BA1389 - are also used. So if you are on one of these flights there is a long odds chance of being allocated a Club World seat particularly if you're an Exec Club Member!

BA originally indicated that the LCY fleet of RJ100s - that is what is apparently going to be the new BA CityFlyer operation - would be based at EDI as there is hardly any apron space and no significant maintenance facilities at LCY. However I hear that in addition to the current five weekday EDI-LCY-EDI rotations that they currently operate they plan to operate (a similar frequency?) GLA-LCY-GLA service. If this is correct and as BA already have an engineering facility at GLA it would seem more logical to base the RJ100 fleet there.
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
If this is correct and as BA already have an engineering facility at GLA it would seem more logical to base the RJ100 fleet there

I thought that this was where the A320 family engineering work was carried out?
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:19 am

Nobody knows the crew rotation yet but as the 767 does fly into EWR they may do LHR-EWR/JFK-MAN etc. Positioning 2 flight crew up every day doesnt take too many seats but 9 cabin crew does. The MAN-JFK aircraft doesnt position to LHR very often.
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
BA originally indicated that the LCY fleet of RJ100s

Are these aircraft any different to the other RJ100s operated?

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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:28 am

Actually, part of the BA/flyBe deal is that the flyBe crews will operate the MAN-JFK services, AFAIK
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
Actually, part of the BA/flyBe deal is that the flyBe crews will operate the MAN-JFK services, AFAIK

On teh flybe new generation website I thought it said they wouldn't be. Seems odd for flybe to take over this operation! The aircraft isn't theirs and they will have to train crew to operate a random a/c type.
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
Actually, part of the BA/flyBe deal is that the flyBe crews will operate the MAN-JFK services, AFAIK

BA have confirmed MAN-JFK will be operated by LHR (Worldwide Fleet) cabin crew. It is rumored they will work LHR-EWR-JFK-MAN-JFK-EWR-LHR, all on the 767.
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 10):
Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
BA originally indicated that the LCY fleet of RJ100s

Are these aircraft any different to the other RJ100s operated?

I do not think so except that I believe that each aircraft operating into LCY had to be certified for the unusually steep approach. (Perhaps someone else can confirm this.) Certainly when BA started to operate from LCY (30 March 2003) they established a small sub-fleet of five aircraft (G-CFAA, 'AB, 'AE, 'AF and 'AH) to operate (but not exclusively) out of LCY. Three of these aircraft subsequently went to LX and, of course, the number of aircraft required to operate the subsequently expanded services increased. From the end of next month all eleven remaining aircraft will operate the expanded BA LCY services.
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
Actually, part of the BA/flyBe deal is that the flyBe crews will operate the MAN-JFK services, AFAIK

You're kidding, right? Both FlyBE and BA have said cristal clear that RJ100s, LCY operations and MAN-JFK route are not part of the deal.


Will the sale include all of BA Connect aircraft, routes and staff?
No. We are not acquiring the London City routes and the associated RJ100 aircraft and staff – these will remain with BA. We are also not acquiring the MAN-JFK aircraft and associated staff.


Proposed sale of BA Connect to Flybe
BA Connect also operates from London City Airport and between Manchester and New York. These services will not form part of the proposed sale nor will the regional ground handling business, British Airways Regional Ltd.


It wouldn't make any sense. BA Connect brand and concept will be extinguished by March 25th (Incluiding those flights operated by GB Airways)
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting Aisak (Reply 15):
(Incluiding those flights operated by GB Airways)

Are those flights just going to be operated as British Airways (again)
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 13):
BA have confirmed MAN-JFK will be operated by LHR (Worldwide Fleet) cabin crew. It is rumored they will work LHR-EWR-JFK-MAN-JFK-EWR-LHR, all on the 767.

The LHR-EWR flight is only 6 days a week though, so does this mean the EWR-MAN flight will not operate for 2 days a week, or will two crews go out and back on the flights either side of the day it doesn't operate. I take it the crews will be transferring by road, and that the aircraft is not going to be positioning EWR-JFK in that schedule? Otherwise they might as well consider doing LHR-MAN-EWR-MAN-LHR with it, after all, a morning LHR-MAN flight with the 763 would be useful for added connection traffic.


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RE: BA Citiflyer

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 16):
Are those flights just going to be operated as British Airways (again)

From the BA FAQ:

Which flights are impacted by this change?
All flights within the ranges BA1600 to BA1999, BA4000 to BA4249, BA4320 to BA4449 and BA7600 to BA7949 are impacted by this change.

Please note that it is intended that all BA Connect operated services to and from London City Airport (BA8700 to BA8769), flights between Manchester and New York (BA1502/1503) and flights operated by British Airways are not impacted by this deal.

What about services operated by GB Airways from Manchester, Nottingham East Midlands and Bristol?
Services operated by GB Airways are unaffected by this announcement.

I find this information a little misleading. I read GB Airways planes, staff and routes currently operating under the BA Connect brand are not going to be transfered to FlyBE and I understand these are going to be rebranded as GB Airways regular flights. Bearing in mind that aircrafts, routes "and staff" belong to GB Airways and not BA Connect it makes sense, but other people can think otherwise...
 
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting Aisak (Reply 18):
I find this information a little misleading. I read GB Airways planes, staff and routes currently operating under the BA Connect brand are not going to be transfered to FlyBE and I understand these are going to be rebranded as GB Airways regular flights. Bearing in mind that aircrafts, routes "and staff" belong to GB Airways and not BA Connect it makes sense, but other people can think otherwise...

My understanding is that as GB Airways have been unsure of their future with British Airways from the end of next year, the airline has been independently looking into a number of regional markets, though as a branding exercise has continued to use the British Airways brand, service, uniforms and marketing - rather than having a small, dedicated GB Airways branded fleet. It seems pretty obvious when you think why else would BA enter the East Midlands on a three times weekly flight to Tenerife? This is the kind of bread and butter leisure market for GB Airways, scheduled flights in charter markets, and think that these flights, maybe alongside the Manchester routes, could end up operating as GB Airways. The airline has just unveiled a new website, and certainly I've found comparing LHR-BCN with mainline and LHR-AGP with GB, to find the latter has superior service, so am sure could do very well independently.

Quoting SpeedbirdEGJJ (Reply 3):
Also guys just to be picky, its Cityflyer not Citiflyer, the 'citi' was only used for BA Citiexpress.

True, but everything else seems to point to CitiExpress. Same fleet, same management, potential same mistakes could be made, just another different brand and new base. I do wish every success to the crews who work for this new airline, and certainly BA Connect have had some of the best staff out of the midlands, but the management are totally inept, so am shocked BA didn't try launching this new subsidiary with a fresh fleet and focused management.
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RE: BA Citiflyer

Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
Actually, part of the BA/flyBe deal is that the flyBe crews will operate the MAN-JFK services, AFAIK

Nope, MAN-JFK operated by mainline.

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