Without being too blunt: a) I've been in and around the industry long enough b) I have some VERY good sources
In regards to EK
, it is entirely possible that they will not
order 12 777-300ERs. Hence the reason they are in the "Pending" column and not the "Firm" column. However, it has been my experience that when a rumor comes out from reputable sources (in this case, none other than Mr. Flanagan himself), and then the airline takes the official stance of denial, that usually means one thing: the order is serious, but negotiations are on-going. That is why I have included it.
Now let's look at Aeroflot. All of last year, we heard exactly what was "supposed" to happen, but never did. Again this year, every Aeroflot official is talking about what is "supposed" to happen to anyone and everyone who will listen. Just yesterday I read them talking about how the 787 deal was merely on hold, and not written off, even though Boeing themselves have written off any deal with Aeroflot. Once again, this is my opinion only, but when a new report comes out every other day about a potential deal that "we hope will be finalized by the end of this year
," that does not sound too promising. OTOH, I have given it some thought and, as this deal has been announced by the airline, and does not seem to be any more problematic than some other announced A350 deals, I will include it in the "Pending" column.
|Quoting BA (Reply 31):|
MEA's order for 4 A319-100s and 4 A330-200s has now been firmed up.
Not sure why you are bringing this up. This order was firmed up in December 2006, and has not been mentioned in this thread. . .
|Quoting Manni (Reply 32):|
In the end, it's firm orders that are most important.
|Quoting EI321 (Reply 34):|
Why cant the 'official orders thread' stance on pending orders consist of signed MOU's and LOI's only?
Two reasons: 1) Neither airlines nor the respective manufacturers often clearly state whether a MOU/LOI have been signed or not. It is common for these to be signed without any public announcement (how many of you knew that VS
had signed an LOI for 777-200ER's back in the mid-'90's?) and thus hard to tell break down 2) As the aforementioned example of VS
clearly shows - an MOU/LOI can easily expire without action being taken to firm up the order, which makes it only slightly more "Pending" than an airline announcing their intent without a MOU/LOI. Off the top of my head I can think of more than half a dozen high-profile LOI's that were never firmed up in recent years, for widebodies alone.
|Quoting EI321 (Reply 37):|
Official releases from either the airlines or manufacturers.
But as I said - these often are either not specific, or don't come at all.
|Quoting WestWing (Reply 40):|
Nope I was wrong. I didn't read the press release carefully. It said 468 "orders and commitments".
Which makes today's Azerbaijan press release all the more interesting, as Boeing have now dropped the "and commitments
" portion of the quote: "The first flight of the 787 is scheduled for 2007, with entry into service in 2008. With 468 orders from 37 customers around the world, the Dreamliner is the most successful new airplane introduction in history.
All gave some. Some gave all.