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2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:36 am

Hello...I'm still relatively new to Anet. This may have been discussed before so my apologies if it's a repeat topic.
I just have to know as to why on earth, do American Airlines and United have a 2-5-2 configuration in the 777's ?? Other carriers have a 3-3-3 layout. I think the 2-5-2 is the absolute worst layout ever, especially if someone is stuck in the 'E" seat, like I once was on a UAL flight from LHR-SFO. Does anyone else out there share the same feelings I do ? Thanks !!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:38 am

Yeah. Thats pretty bad. Welcome to Anet!

I alway hated middle seats, even in a 3-4-3 config.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:43 am

the best config would be 3-4-2 across, allowing for couples, groups or families to sit together more comfortabley. KLM use the same layout on their MD-11s although with the cabin upgrades soon to come this will be changed to 3-3-3 like the B777 fleet, unfortunetley.

[Edited 2007-02-21 21:44:15]
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:44 am

Delta originally had their 777s in 2-5-2 configuration as well, but decided that 3-3-3 was preferred.

2-5-2 has long been the standard configuration for the Lockheed/McDonnell Douglas widebody trijets (L-1011, DC-10, and MD-11). Those airlines simply wanted them to have the same configuration as the old widebody trijets, and went on 2-5-2.

Also, I have heard of an airline doing a 2-4-3 configuration on their 777s, I don't remember who though. Emirates packs in an additional seat and has a 3-4-3 configuration on their 777s.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Tonyban (Thread starter):
Other carriers have a 3-3-3 layout. I think the 2-5-2 is the absolute worst layout ever, especially if someone is stuck in the 'E" seat

 checkmark  While I've yet to fly in a DL 777, I'm actually glad they use the 3-3-3 seating in coach. Funny thing that the 787 is set up by Boeing around a 2-4-2 configuration in coach, but many airlines are going for the 2-5-2 set-up just to squeeze that extra seat in.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:45 am

I think that 3-3-3 is the worst possible configuration for a 777, so I am pleased that my preferred carrier continues to offer their 777s with 2-5-2.

For long-haul travel, 3-3-3 effectively doubles the number of seats on the aircraft that are two away from the aisle. The window seats in those configurations are no different, really, than a middle seat in 2-5-2. At 4:30 am on a long transpacific flight, you still have to disturb two people in order to get a drink of water or get to the restroom, and generally you're going to have your window shade closed so there's no benefit from being by the window anyway.

2-5-2 gives the most people the least disturbed sleep on a longhaul trip.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:47 am

I would also prefer 2-5-2. Less chance of becoming a prisoner.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting EISHN (Reply 2):
KLM use the same layout on their MD-11s although with the cabin upgrades soon to come this will be changed to 3-3-3 like the B777 fleet, unfortunetley.

3-3-3 is still much better than the 3-4-3 configuration used by many holiday carriers.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:49 am

The 2-5-2 layout is preferred by some carriers, like American and United, because it allows more 2-seat sections on both sides of the cabin -- the majority of multi-person traveling parties on airlines are 2 persons traveling together.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
I think that 3-3-3 is the worst possible configuration for a 777,

Amen

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
For long-haul travel, 3-3-3 effectively doubles the number of seats on the aircraft that are two away from the aisle

Not only that but it makes it impossible for a couple to sit together. It's hugely irritating on a full long haul flight.

For this reason on DL overseas travel I specifically look to avoid the 777s. whereas I used to book them when they were -2-5-2......... Luckily they can't do that to the 767s. I'm already wondering what seat config the US domestic 787s will adopt...since I'll bet they're all going to be standard.

I know that Boeing wanted to push the 3-2-3 concept but I don' t think that's going to play well with airlines.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:51 am

I am pretty sure that AF has their new "high density" 77W's with a 3-4-3 layout
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:03 am

Thank you for replying....
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 6):
I would also prefer 2-5-2. Less chance of becoming a prisoner.

Yes, when travelling alone. I am happy to be at the aisle or at the window seat with just two seats next to each other, however I was in the E seat (ORD-FRA). I really hated it, not only because I drink a lot of water during flying.

Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 10):
I am pretty sure that AF has their new "high density" 77W's with a 3-4-3 layout

KLM is doing it as well on their 773, with the pitch being enlarged, I think. Haven't read many complaints though with EK using this configuration, Still the 777 is more narrow than the 747.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
3-3-3 is still much better than the 3-4-3 configuration used by many holiday carriers.

and EK, which has incredibly little leg room as well (squeezed both ways)....and fly them on very long routes.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 2):
the best config would be 3-4-2 across, allowing for couples, groups or families to sit together more comfortabley. KLM use the same layout on their MD-11s although with the cabin upgrades soon to come this will be changed to 3-3-3 like the B777 fleet, unfortunetley.

EgyptAir had 3-4-2 seating for their T7s, not sure if they still do.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
I think that 3-3-3 is the worst possible configuration for a 777, so I am pleased that my preferred carrier continues to offer their 777s with 2-5-2.

For long-haul travel, 3-3-3 effectively doubles the number of seats on the aircraft that are two away from the aisle. The window seats in those configurations are no different, really, than a middle seat in 2-5-2. At 4:30 am on a long transpacific flight, you still have to disturb two people in order to get a drink of water or get to the restroom, and generally you're going to have your window shade closed so there's no benefit from being by the window anyway.

2-5-2 gives the most people the least disturbed sleep on a longhaul trip.

NS

I used to think that the 3-3-3 was preferred, but actually have had some great experiences on AA with 2-5-2, getting an aisle seat in the middle section with empty seats until the next aisle  Smile.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting Dank (Reply 14):
I used to think that the 3-3-3 was preferred, but actually have had some great experiences on AA with 2-5-2, getting an aisle seat in the middle section with empty seats until the next aisle .

Probably an early morning flight coast to coast?!.  Confused
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
I think that 3-3-3 is the worst possible configuration for a 777, so I am pleased that my preferred carrier continues to offer their 777s with 2-5-2.

Couldn't agree more. 3-3-3 is a bummer if you like a window seat. 2-5-2 is my favorite 9-abreast configuration. At least only one person gets screwed in each row, and usually it is someone travelling with a group anyway, or the seat is empty, and you can get out either aisle. 3-3 or 3-3-3 really take away the pleasure of having a window, on anything but very short flights, especially if like my you drink a lot of water to stay hydrated, and then need to go to the lav often...

3-3 is one of the reasons I don't like flying transcon on the 757...
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:37 am

2-5-2 is great...I love getting the window seat and only having to disturb one person to get to the aisle...So much better than 3-3-3.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 13):
and EK, which has incredibly little leg room as well (squeezed both ways)....and fly them on very long routes.

Emirates has 34" of pitch at every seat, IINM. That's more than you get from anyone in a standard economy class product.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 9):
Not only that but it makes it impossible for a couple to sit together. It's hugely irritating on a full long haul flight.

Well it makes it impossible for a couple to sit ALONE together. They can certainly sit window/middle or middle/aisle. What are you doing on long haul flights that you need to be away from a third person?? Big grin
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting Tonyban (Thread starter):
I think the 2-5-2 is the absolute worst layout ever

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I used to hate it when I got the 2-5-2 layout on DC-10s and MD-11s, not to mention L-1011s. What SR and RG used to do on their MD-11s was to put the seats in a 3-4-2 config which was probably the best way - never more than 1 seat away from the aisle.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:53 am

I prefer the 2-5-2 because I always have sat in the 2 section, I have never sat in the 5 section.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting N229NW (Reply 16):
3-3 is one of the reasons I don't like flying transcon on the 757...

Or any 737 variety, any Airbus narrowbody variey...
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting Tonyban (Thread starter):

2 - 5 - 2 on AA's 777s is why when I do fly Economy, I fly with them. Mainly because of the reason below!

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 12):
Less chance of becoming a prisoner

Exactly.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 20):
What SR and RG used to do on their MD-11s was to put the seats in a 3-4-2 config which was probably the best way - never more than 1 seat away from the aisle.

Except, of course, the first seat of 3, by the window.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:14 am

It was a pity that airlines pushed Airbus to a wider fuselage for the 350. Yes, I realize the economics involved, but the current 2-4-2 of the Airbus widebodies was the ideal set-up IMHO.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Multimark (Reply 25):
It was a pity that airlines pushed Airbus to a wider fuselage for the 350. Yes, I realize the economics involved, but the current 2-4-2 of the Airbus widebodies was the ideal set-up IMHO.

I agree, from a Y point of view, 2-4-2 is much nicer, and ther 2-3-2 of the 767 the best of all. Never far from an aisle, a couple can sit together, while 3 people together can have the middle 3!

I wonder with Boeing's Y3, if it's a single decker, will it be wider to compete with the A380? Will we see 3-5-3 for 11 across? Or 3-6-3 for 12 across perhaps? I presume this is the maximum allowed, unless we see the first triple aisle plane...
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 15):
Probably an early morning flight coast to coast?!.  

Nope, the joys of AA's RDU-LGW nonstop.  Smile

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:43 am

2-5-2 is horrible, I have to say. Having been on both 2-5-2, and 3-3-3, I would pick 3-3-3 any day. I am flying on a UA 777 in a couple weeks from MUC-IAD, and I have visions of my seat assignment not working out right and me ending up in the E...yikes!
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:47 am

I've heard that, based on the usual proportions of single travelers, 2-somes, 3-somes, etc., and the usual load factors on long-haul flights, 2-5-2 maximizes your chances of having a good seating arrangement, defined as:

--Sitting in either of the 2-seat banks (either seat is good)
--Sitting in an aisle seat in the 5-seat bank
--Sitting in the middle of the 5-seat bank, surrounded by people you're traveling with
--Sitting somewhere in the 5-seat bank with an empty seat next to you

I'm not sure what a "standard" breakdown of group sizes is (and it would depend on the route), so I can't do out the math for you, but this idea makes some sense--5-seat banks accommodate those few 4- and 5-person groups, and allow singles to be seated XX_XX so that both inside people at least have an empty seat between them to lean into.

Of course, this system works best if seats are not pre-assigned, so that the airline can set everyone up in a comfort-maximizing layout 1 or 2 days before the flight. With the system preferred by US carriers whereby you choose your own seats when you book, you lose some efficiency--for example, if all aisle seats on the 5-seat banks are taken by the time a group of 5 chooses their seats, they aren't able to claim a row for themselves.

Or, put another way: Imagine a flight where Y is 8/9 full, everyone traveling alone. The very middle seat is empty in every row. In 2-5-2, everyone is fairly happy: everyone has either a window, aisle, or a seat empty next to them. In 3-3-3, the 4 aisle pax per row are happy (the middle ones particularly so, since they have an empty seat next to them), the 2 window pax per row are kinda happy since they have a window, but they have to climb over 2 people to get out of their seat, and there are still 2 people per row who have middle seats.

[Edited 2007-02-22 01:02:20]
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:54 am

2-5-2 for the prisoner reasons above.

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 20):
3-4-2 config which was probably the best way - never more than 1 seat away from the aisle.

Ummm... how?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:54 am

I love 2-5-2. I usually travel with a partner and it's like those two window-and-aisle seats are our own little private corner of the world. We can switch seats easily and we don't have to feel guilty about troubling others when one of us decides to go on walkabout.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:55 am

One explanation for the switch to 3-3-3 for DL and the preference of 3-3-3 in this day and age was that the IFE boxes, the ones that go under the seats and offer PTV access to individual seats, are modular in seats of 3 in most systems. That means that one box can run 3 seats.

At 3-3-3, that's 3 boxes per row. At 2-5-2, that's four boxes per row. The added weight, cost, complexity, power requirement, wiring, etc. of have 33% more IFE boxes, 3 of which are underutilized, became more important when airlines began offering PTVs vs. overhead IFE.

There are obviously other reasons, but it seemed to me that this was not to be discounted. Look what IFE complexity has done to the A380...
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:52 am

*sigh* we have these all the time, but I will tell you why 3-3-3 is winning new configurations. There are three seat types in any config.

1) Aisles
2) Windows
3) Middles

Most passengers have a preference for either 1 or 2. Most passengers dislike 3. People talk about the drawback of having twice as many "double excuse-me" seats in the 3-3-3 configuration, but it neglects one fact. The people who sit in the double-excuse-me seats are more often than not getting their prefered seat choice! In a 2-5-2, there will never be anyone who is happy to be in that middle seat when the plane is full, because they got neither their prefered seat choice, AND they must still hop over two other people in either direction to get to an aisle.

In 3-3-3, the only person who has to pass two people, WANTED to be in that seat, for the window. The person in the middle seat of the middle group of seats now has one-person access to either aisle, making it much less onerous than in 2-5-2. Making the "worst" seat in your airplane (the window) one that many travelers actively try and get is a tremendous boon to passenger satisfaction.

That's why you won't see many airlines go to 2-5-2 when they roll out new cabins and new 9-wide airplanes anymore.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:55 pm

Until a flight reaches 88.9% full in economy, the middle seat won't be taken in a 2x5x2 configuration, except by choice. At exactly 88.9%, the two seats along the window are filled, and the 2 outer seats on each side of the middle section are filled, with the middle seat empty, giving people in D and F extra room. I would actually prefer to be in D or F on a flight loaded that heavily, if in coach.

I've flown in the E seat on an L-1011 once, and it was gruesome to say the least, but with the sophistication of airline computerization, they could easily allow only E seats to be pre-assigned to the lowest fare class, or at least one E seat included for a couple, etc. in the lowest fare class, (hey, you get what you pay for), and only allow them to be switched at the airport if alternate seats are free.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:45 pm

I like the 2-5-2 config, makes it feel like you are on a true widebody.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:53 pm

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 33):
*sigh* we have these all the time, but I will tell you why 3-3-3 is winning new configurations. There are three seat types in any config.

1) Aisles
2) Windows
3) Middles

Most passengers have a preference for either 1 or 2. Most passengers dislike 3. People talk about the drawback of having twice as many "double excuse-me" seats in the 3-3-3 configuration, but it neglects one fact. The people who sit in the double-excuse-me seats are more often than not getting their prefered seat choice! In a 2-5-2, there will never be anyone who is happy to be in that middle seat when the plane is full, because they got neither their prefered seat choice, AND they must still hop over two other people in either direction to get to an aisle.

In 3-3-3, the only person who has to pass two people, WANTED to be in that seat, for the window. The person in the middle seat of the middle group of seats now has one-person access to either aisle, making it much less onerous than in 2-5-2. Making the "worst" seat in your airplane (the window) one that many travelers actively try and get is a tremendous boon to passenger satisfaction.

That's why you won't see many airlines go to 2-5-2 when they roll out new cabins and new 9-wide airplanes anymore.

I completely agree!

2-5-2 is good as long as you don't sit in the center of 5. That's not comfortable even on short flights but having to sit there by yourself on 11h flight is very uncomfortable, speaking from my own experience.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:29 pm

Fortunately in most 3-3-3 configurations, there is at least one row with just two seats on the side. If you're willing to sit in the last row and you book far enough in advance, that can solve your problem. I'm booked on Continental from EWR to TLV in May and June and decided to book the return leg (an all night flight) in the last row so I could get out of my seat more easily and be able to recline all the way without feeling rude.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:58 pm

Somebody may have already stated this, but I did not feel like reading all of the posts. Simply put, with 333 you have DOUBLED the number of people that have to crawl over 2 people to get to the isle as opposed to 252.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:15 pm

Even though there is an offset, I think the 3-4-2 configuration is best for 9 across. It offeres groups of 2, 3 and 4 seats together. It also allows single travelers to sit at a window or aisle on the three seat combo with a light load, or matched with pariteis of two on the three side. This configuration only puts one window seat two people from the aisle and offers numerous middle seats configurations to be empty on light loads.
I think any 5 seat configurtion is a poor seating arrangement. The two side on both sides of the aircraft also does not offer a partyof three.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting Tonyban (Thread starter):
I think the 2-5-2 is the absolute worst layout ever

I absolutely love it! If you check-in online right on the 24 hour beforehand dot, then your chances of having a seat on the "2" side are pretty good.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
I think that 3-3-3 is the worst possible configuration for a 777, so I am pleased that my preferred carrier continues to offer their 777s with 2-5-2.

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 20):
3-4-2 config which was probably the best way - never more than 1 seat away from the aisle.

Yeah, UNless you were in the window in the group of 3.

However, these configs on RG's M11s made for a very comfortable arrangement, plus the seats were relatively large and comfortable - coupled with those HUGE windows on the MD11

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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:15 pm

Just for the record, all MH's 772s are configured 2-5-2 in YCL. I really love the -2 seats and so far were seated there each time.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:10 pm

As a frequent flyer - like many A.netters) I never get stuck in the middle of UA's 2-5-2 777's. I have always, in at least 40 777 flights gotten a window which in a '2' seat side configuration is great.

I think many business travellers like me like the 2-5-2 seating because we never sit in the middle and sitting on the side with only one person next to you is quite nice. Add in UA's Economy Plus and it is actually enjoyable.

I dread flying on 747's because I know I'll be on a 3 seat row unless I can snag one of the 2 seat rows in the tail. Unless of course I'm in Business.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
Also, I have heard of an airline doing a 2-4-3 configuration on their 777s, I don't remember who though.

Egyptair have 2-4-3 on their Triples.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:59 am

Being 6'2 tall and having travelled on Emirates 777-300ER 77W quite a few times now I cant asee what all the fuss is about as regards to leg space and them really cramming them in. Infact I think its quite smart of them, I find the journey very comfortable and love the 77W.

You should try some of the charter airlines - now that can be bad.
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:01 am

Welcome Tonyban!

Quoting Tonyban (Thread starter):
I think the 2-5-2 is the absolute worst layout ever, especially if someone is stuck in the 'E" seat, like I once was on a UAL flight from LHR-SFO. Does anyone else out there share the same feelings I do ? Thanks !!

I would prefer the 3-3-3. For 2-5-2, I would not care unless I was stuck in middle.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 1):
the best config would be 3-4-2 across, allowing for couples, groups or families to sit together more comfortabley. KLM use the same layout on their MD-11s although with the cabin upgrades soon to come this will be changed to 3-3-3 like the B777 fleet, unfortunetley.

Amen! That's the best config, I ever saw. It's sad to see it go.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:10 am

Personally, I love the 2-5-2 layout, especially when traveling with just one other person -- we get the two seats together, and don't have to worry about disturbing strangers if we need to get up.

Even when traveling alone, I prefer sitting in the two seats together, primarily because I like the window seat, and only have to climb over one person if I need to get up.

I personally think the 2-5-2 layout is better for all involved. In the 3-3-3- layout, you have two "columns" of people (the two window seats) that have to climb over two seats to get out. In the 2-5-2 layout, you only have one "column" of people (the very middle) that has to climb over two seats to get out.
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:16 am

Why don't airlines use the 2-4-3 configuration? Obviously that would be the prefference of choice. Would it be a weight and balance issue with more pax on one side of the aircraft?
 
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RE: 2-5-2 Configuration In 777's.

Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 8):
I know that Boeing wanted to push the 3-2-3 concept but I don' t think that's going to play well with airlines.

Why on earth would they do 3-2-3 instead of 2-4-2?! 2-4-2 is a great configuration, one of my favorite parts about flying on an Airbus.

Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 10):
I am pretty sure that AF has their new "high density" 77W's with a 3-4-3 layout

Yeah, those are only a select few aircraft that operate from ORY to the French Caribbean, and must compete with the holiday carriers such as Corsair.

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 12):
Still the 777 is more narrow than the 747.

Yes, but IIRC it is wider than the Douglas widebodies and the L1011.

Question is, why do more airlines not use the 2-4-3 config? It seems to be the best option of the three.

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