ASA LAX Base To Close In June '07

AV8AJET · Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:32 am

ASA will close their crew base in LAX in June of '07. Another DL Connection Carrier will take over the flying strated by ASA (EV), rumored to be ExpressJet. No new base for ASA has yet to be announced although no jobs or airplanes are to be lost. Yet another shame for ASA although I hope we can find a new home somewhere else for another crew base.

HVNandrew · Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:49 am

Odd. But at least someone will continue the DLC flying out of LAX.

BigGSFO · Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:19 am

This didn't last long. Is there a source? Are we certain the RJ DL Connex flying will continue?

deltasju777 · Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:45 am

If ExpressJet flys DL connex what type of aircraft will it be?

N1120A · Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting Deltasju777 (Reply 3):
If ExpressJet flys DL connex what type of aircraft will it be?

ERJ-145

ERJ170 · Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:01 pm

It was rumored when ExpressJet announced their independent brand that they would be flying 10 E45XR for Delta... guess it came to pass.. interesting..

worldtraveler · Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:23 pm

Does Express Jet do redeye flying now.. or is it proposed to do so with its branded flying? Not sure the reasons ASA isn't keeping the LAX flying but not too many airlines operate round the clock operations... and that is part of the formula DL is using for its LAX-Mexico flying.

ExpressJet should offer a higher quality experience which certainly will help DL expand in the competitive LAX market.

DL is rearranging their regional operations very significantly.

DAL767400ER · Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:45 pm

Not sure how using ERJs over CRJs will help DL at LAX, particularly given that Expressjet doesn't have any 70-seaters they can operate.

MCOflyer · Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:56 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 7):

Dont most of those markets require 50 seaters?

MCOflyer

avconsultant · Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:23 pm

There was talks months back Comair would be severely downsized as an airline focusing on maintenance and station operations. Could ASA shift to CVG or would this have been something to bring the pilots to the bargaining table.

FlyPNS1 · Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:35 am

The way ASA has opened and closed bases (both SLC and now LAX) goes along way to explain the disaster that ASA is and why labor relations are so poor. Of course, it's not really ASA's choice, but more like schizophrenic Delta. Seems like it won't be long before every regional affliliate in the USA will fly for DL.

DL777LAX · Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:25 am

I personally think that DL may order some E170s on the behalf of Shuttle America to operate on the new routes. That way, DL can increase the cargo capacity on the routes.

FCYTravis · Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 11):
I personally think that DL may order some E170s on the behalf of Shuttle America to operate on the new routes. That way, DL can increase the cargo capacity on the routes.

I would doubt that. That's a lot of capacity to throw on thin, small-town Mexican routes which probably have negligible paid-F traffic.

SLCUT2777 · Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 11):
I personally think that SA)">DL may order some E170s on the behalf of Shuttle America to operate on the new routes. That way, SA)">DL can increase the cargo capacity on the routes.

This has been something I've rather suspected all along. The EMB-170 has been very successful in virtually every market Dl/SA has placed it in. I for one wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see OO get some EMB-170/175 a/c in the not to distant future. OO CEO Jerry Atkin has made that known time and again.

N1120A · Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:46 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 12):
That's a lot of capacity to throw on thin, small-town Mexican routes which probably have negligible paid-F traffic.

But they have lots of full-fare Y traffic and should be operated by aircraft that offer a better cost structure.

NW747-400 · Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
This didn't last long. Is there a source? Are we certain the RJ DL Connex flying will continue?

The source is a memo sent to ASA employees by company president. It stated that ASA will be closing LAX and flying will be replaced by another DCI carrier, apparently XJT (rumor only at this point).

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
The way ASA has opened and closed bases (both SLC and now LAX) goes along way to explain the disaster that ASA is and why labor relations are so poor.

(And to a lesser extent, DFW when DL closed their hub). I completely agree with the labor portion of this statement; however, the closing of SLC was a SkyWest INC decision and not one that ASA made. SkyWest also began the transfer of ASA CR7's to the SkyWest fleet to take over all ASA routes out of SLC. The transfer of airplanes has since stopped and ASA is still operating a dozen flights or so out of SLC, and oddly enough, ASA is now operating CRJ200's out of SLC.

At this point in time, ASA is expanding into CVG slowly. This is an expansion that many of us do not wish to see because none of us want to encroach on Comair turf. Unfortunately we have to do what the boss says, and if the boss says fly to CVG we don't have much of a choice. We will not be losing any airplanes due to LAX closing. Jerry Grinstein does not like ASA, as noted on a Q&A forum on DeltaNet, and I very much believe we are on DL's chopping block and we will see a shrinking airline within the next 5 years, if not sooner.

Goldenshield · Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 15):
The transfer of airplanes has since stopped and ASA is still operating a dozen flights or so out of SLC, and oddly enough, ASA is now operating CRJ200's out of SLC.

Those are ASA planes flown by SkyWest. There are also a few ComAir CRJ-700's in SLC being flown by SkyWest.

acjflyer · Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:24 am

The ASA CRJ-200's are not flown by Skywest, they are in fact flown by ASA themselves. As for the Comair 700's they are jets that have been re-alocated to skywest so they are now skywest jets being flown by skywest.

Goldenshield · Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Acjflyer (Reply 17):
The ASA CRJ-200's are not flown by Skywest, they are in fact flown by ASA themselves.

I'll believe you if ASA actually DID bring some in; however, there are several -200's ending in EV that are being operated by SkyWest.

avconsultant · Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:02 am

Are you guys saying OO are moving aircraft from EV certificate to OO?

If so, deja vu from 20 years ago. Eastern's A-300 to Continental.

I knew DL reallocated OH -700's to OO. I flew into ATL on one 3 weeks ago. N# ending in CA with a Skywest logo next to the radome. Oh well!!

NW747-400 · Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 19):
Are you guys saying OO are moving aircraft from EV certificate to OO?

Yes. OO is working on acquiring all EV CR7 flying out of SLC and transferring the airplanes.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 19):

I knew DL reallocated OH -700's to OO.

12 CR7's were moved from OH and allocated to SkyWest INC. Of these, 8 are now being operated by EV and 4 are being operated by OO.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
Those are ASA planes flown by SkyWest.

The -200's I spoke of are operated by EV.

Goldenshield · Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 20):
Yes. OO is working on acquiring all EV CR7 flying out of SLC and transferring the airplanes

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 20):

The -200's I spoke of are operated by EV.

They are also moving -200's from ASA to SkyWest as well. There have been a few in service for a few weeks now.

So, please tell me where ASA is flying these -200's.

NW747-400 · Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:45 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 21):
So, please tell me where ASA is flying these -200's.

The following CRJ-200 flights are transiting SLC and operated by ASA on 2/26/07:

N684BR: SLC-TUL
N824AS: SFO-SLC-XNA
N830AS: TUL-SLC-LAS
N852AS: LAS-SLC
N875AS: LAX-SLC-SFO
N905EV: XNA-SLC-LAX

ASA operated CR7 Routings for SLC 2/26/07

N751EV: MKE-SLC-LAX-ZLO-LAX-SLC
N753EV: LAX-LAS-LAX-SLC-MKE

[Edited 2007-02-26 09:47:04]

AirWillie6475 · Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:52 pm

Seems like Expressjet will set up quite a large operation in Socal. First ONT now LAX.

acjflyer · Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
I'll believe you if ASA actually DID bring some in; however, there are several -200's ending in EV that are being operated by SkyWest.

Numerous of ASA's 200's have been re-certified for OO even though they maintain the EV tail. And yes ASA does operate some of their own 200's out of SLC - they are their metal, with their tail numbers.

For example:
824EV
684EV

These are two ASA 200's that are operating flights out of SLC today. Track them and check it out.

Trust me on this one - I work for OO at SLC and I load these aircraft, fill out their CLR's, and push them out. ASA operates 200's out of SLC. Skywest ground is contracted to do their ground ops but that is it.

Goldenshield · Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting Acjflyer (Reply 24):
Trust me on this one - I work for OO at SLC and I load these aircraft, fill out their CLR's, and push them out.

Shouldn't you be ramping right now? Wink

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 22):
N751EV: MKE-SLC-LAX-ZLO-LAX-SLC

ZLO I can understand for ASA out of SLC since OO isn't certified for Mexico quite yet. (Gotta love the FAA—they move at the speed of bureaucracy.)

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 22):

The following CRJ-200 flights are transiting SLC and operated by ASA on 2/26/07:

Those would make sense since OO has been ramping up frequencies elsewhere; however, from my understanding, the ASA birds were to brought to OO to supplement the increased frequencies.

NW747-400 · Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:53 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 25):

ZLO I can understand for ASA out of SLC since OO isn't certified for Mexico quite yet.

Its a flight from LAX, not SLC. The aircraft just transits SLC later, and slowly makes its way back to ATL or CVG system. LAX-ZLO will soon be an ExpressJet flight.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 25):
ASA birds were to brought to OO to supplement the increased frequencies.

The routes and aircraft I listed were not brought to OO. They were operated by EV. I think OO and EV have been trading -200's lately, as we have a few ghost planes flying around with OO colors on the tail. No Delta colors or anything, just an OO tail and an ASA sticker at the boarding door.

How many EV -200's have you guys been operating out there and what are the ship numbers? We haven't heard of a negative transfer of 200's to OO, only 700's.

Goldenshield · Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 26):
The routes and aircraft I listed were not brought to OO. They were operated by EV. I think OO and EV have been trading -200's lately, as we have a few ghost planes flying around with OO colors on the tail. No Delta colors or anything, just an OO tail and an ASA sticker at the boarding door.

I know that. I get your point. Let that die. All I said was that the ASA birds were brought in and operated by OO to supplement their schedules, now, get over it.

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 26):
How many EV -200's have you guys been operating out there and what are the ship numbers? We haven't heard of a negative transfer of 200's to OO, only 700's.

We have 3-4 operating right now.

[Edited 2007-02-27 08:12:44]

NW747-400 · Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 27):
All I said was that the ASA birds were brought in and operated by OO to supplement their schedules, now, get over it.

I think we were arguing 2 different points. My mistake.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 27):

We have 3-4 operating right now.

Do you know the ship numbers by chance? I'm just curious for my personal information.

Goldenshield · Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:30 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 28):
Do you know the ship numbers by chance?

Not on me. I can let you know later.

WesternA318 · Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:50 pm

Quoting Acjflyer (Reply 24):
Numerous of ASA's 200's have been re-certified for OO even though they maintain the EV tail. And yes ASA does operate some of their own 200's out of SLC - they are their metal, with their tail numbers.

For example:
824EV
684EV

These are two ASA 200's that are operating flights out of SLC today. Track them and check it out.

Trust me on this one - I work for OO at SLC and I load these aircraft, fill out their CLR's, and push them out. ASA operates 200's out of SLC. Skywest ground is contracted to do their ground ops but that is it.

Acj, not to pry or anything, but, what is the ASA LAX-LAS-SLC evening rotation's on time percentage? I have taken it several times the last few months and we've been delayed most of the time.

Goldenshield · Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 28):
Do you know the ship numbers by chance? I'm just curious for my personal information.

Looks like they have 8 operating currently.

862,863,865,869,910,912,913,915

NW747-400 · Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 31):

862,863,865,869,910,912,913,915

Thanks for this information. Management over here hasn't told anyone about -200's being transferred, which kind of makes me angry because I feel like they are hiding it from us.

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