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Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:36 pm


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What's the story here? This is a very steep angle for take-off. Surely there are no passengers on board? It's a great angle to view the A340-600, and the nose even has a Soviet-style look off it. One of the best A340 pics!
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:47 pm

Its the angle, maybe the camera is tilted.
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:52 pm

I doubt the camera was tilted... Out of Cape Town we used to have similar departures... Upon enquiring one day the rate of climb, the pilot responded it was 4200fpm, and would we like him to increase? That was on a scheduled flight...

Every so often they have to do a TOGA take off (no thrust derating) and if it's a cold and windy day, you get quite a nice steep climb out...
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:52 pm

The camera is not tilted, its just the angles involved. First, its really not that agressive a climb out... plus he's in a slight righthand roll.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:39 am

Perfect normal departure, and please don't call me Shirley.

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:55 am

And thats why you stay seated and buckled up during take off Big grin

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:31 am

Was operating as Virgin 11 to Boston took off around 14.25
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:35 am

Remember the 600 has more "juice" than the 300.....
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
Remember the 600 has more "juice" than the 300.....

It looks rocket-propelled compared to the 300 Big grin

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 2):
Upon enquiring one day the rate of climb, the pilot responded it was 4200fpm, and would we like him to increase?

Wow!

You know, considering the A346's challenges against the 77W, maybe they put too much power on the A346.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:52 am

Bear in mind that LHR-BOS is an extremely short flight for an A346. Early Sept is usually a relatively quiet time for transatlantic travel as the school holidays have just ended. My guess is that the cargo load was also relatively low.

Based on those criteria it is entirely possible that the aircraft was operating at anything up to 100t under its MTOW. Factor in the possibility of a full power take-off and the A346 willclimb like a homesick angel  Wink

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 8):

Wow!

You know, considering the A346's challenges against the 77W, maybe they put too much power on the A346.

Airliners have pretty substaintial performance ability very rarely seen / used. One day (in the CRJ-200), we were departing with a light load on a cold day and had to use max takeoff power due to windshear advisories in the area. We hit 7100fpm at one point and went from brake release to 10000ft and 290kts in less than 3 minutes.
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:12 am

I have to say this is a really cool pic!
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 10):
Airliners have pretty substaintial performance ability very rarely seen / used. One day (in the CRJ-200), we were departing with a light load on a cold day and had to use max takeoff power due to windshear advisories in the area. We hit 7100fpm at one point and went from brake release to 10000ft and 290kts in less than 3 minutes.

Reminds me of a couple of aborted landings I was in on a 763 & 752. When climbing back up, you can really feel the power of those engines, very rarely felt during normal take-offs.
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:53 am

Looks like a take off out of SNA.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:21 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
Remember the 600 has more "juice" than the 300.....

I have never been on a A340-500 or -600 before. How does the climb rate of these two models compare to the 777?
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 13):
Looks like a take off out of SNA.

Agreed. I bet the pax loved it. Like flying on a roller coaster.

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 9):
Bear in mind that LHR-BOS is an extremely short flight for an A346. Early Sept is usually a relatively quiet time for transatlantic travel as the school holidays have just ended. My guess is that the cargo load was also relatively low.

Where does it say it is flying LHR-BOS?
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
Remember the 600 has more "juice" than the 300.....

Yeah, they replaced the old flux capacitors with the newer warp drives, or was it the Mr. Fusion?  Wink  biggrin 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:25 pm

Quoting HARLEYF150 (Reply 6):
Was operating as Virgin 11 to Boston took off around 14.25



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 16):
Where does it say it is flying LHR-BOS?

Thats where  Wink
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:43 pm

I have been on a 346 during an airshow display. 35 pax and crew, no cargo, minimal fuel, sea level airfield and that thing climbs incredibly quickly. It also manoeuvres very nimbly.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:08 pm

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 13):
Looks like a take off out of SNA.

When did Virgin start flying to SNA. Please cite your sources  Wink
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:16 pm

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 20):
When did Virgin start flying to SNA. Please cite your sources

I think he meant that it looks like the typical takeoff from SNA, not that VS fly from there.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:38 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 21):
I think he meant that it looks like the typical takeoff from SNA, not that VS fly from there.

Hence the winky emoticon...  Wink

It mean's he's joking around in a very A.net fashion.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:48 pm

Camera Angle.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting Cchan (Reply 14):

I have never been on a A340-500 or -600 before. How does the climb rate of these two models compare to the 777?

My personal view on this is that the 346 once airbourne seems to have a very shallow climb out rate, after recording the take off on a recent trip to Dubai on a Virgin 346 from Heathrow once we began to climb away from runway 27L it just to hover rather than climb and that was only a 6 hour flight as we banked left over the M25 motorway we couldn't have been much more than a 1000ft above where as from what i've seen of the 777-300ER climbout's they seem to climb out a lot better
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 10):
Airliners have pretty substaintial performance ability very rarely seen / used. One day (in the CRJ-200), we were departing with a light load on a cold day and had to use max takeoff power due to windshear advisories in the area. We hit 7100fpm at one point and went from brake release to 10000ft and 290kts in less than 3 minutes.

Same thing happened to me. Once I was jump-seating on a ferry flight from MXP to FCO with one of Alitalia Cargo M1F, only 40.000tons of fuel, no cargo and a windy winter morning with +2°C OAT. Take off roll was only 20 seconds and we climbed with such an angle of attack that made me think we were on a rocket!  eyepopping  Rate was 8.900fpm and I've absolutely never experienced something like that before! Definitely one of my best jump-seat experience!

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:56 pm

Quoting HARLEYF150 (Reply 24):
My personal view on this is that the 346 once airbourne seems to have a very shallow climb out rate, after recording the take off on a recent trip to Dubai on a Virgin 346 from Heathrow once we began to climb away from runway 27L it just to hover rather than climb and that was only a 6 hour flight as we banked left over the M25 motorway we couldn't have been much more than a 1000ft above where as from what i've seen of the 777-300ER climbout's they seem to climb out a lot better

You don't always climb at maximum rate of climb, you need to factor in many things and of course economies as well. Cost index also has an impact on how steep you climb, steeper climb at lower speed vs. a more shallow climb at a higher airspeed. All depends on the specifics of that particular flight or airline policy.
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:27 pm

It has climbing at a very steep angle! Here is BOS i see a few of these for Lufthansa and Virgin birds departing and I must tell you for those who live around here......they usually seems to shave the roofs off the homes on "Constitution Beach" in East Boston......and always seems to be set to hit the Big yellow shrine on the hill just behind it!
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:13 pm

On a HKG-TPE trip we can get to FL200 with a full load of pax and cargo in about 6 min, without the additional 15 hrs of of fuel for a ULH flight they get up and go.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 10):
Airliners have pretty substaintial performance ability very rarely seen / used.

Watching one of the RNZAF 757 or DHL 757 demonstration videos is good testimony to that statement.



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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:30 pm

A previous poster was right on the money. The camera is not tilted.....the plane is banking to the right and is in the process of returning to level. Even a moderate climb can look steeper when the plane is banking towards the camera.
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 29):
Watching one of the RNZAF 757 or DHL 757 demonstration videos is good testimony to that statement.

Thanks for the video!
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 10):
Airliners have pretty substaintial performance ability very rarely seen / used

After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 32):

Makes me wish they, (any airline), would demos over here in the states during airshows.  Sad
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting AnMCOSon (Reply 33):
Makes me wish they, (any airline), would demos over here in the states during airshows.

The letigious environment in the U.S. makes it virtually impossible to do so. The liabilities would be too large to overcome, even the tiniest mishap would be the end of the largest and/or financially healthy airline and insurance that would cover such a display would likely be quite expensive.
 
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 34):
The letigious environment in the U.S. makes it virtually impossible to do so. The liabilities would be too large to overcome, even the tiniest mishap would be the end of the largest and/or financially healthy airline and insurance that would cover such a display would likely be quite expensive.

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:49 am

Only just been given the heads up on this thread, seeing as I was the photog involved I thought I'd add my tuppence. The image shows a VIR 346 out of LHR's 09R, whilst in the right hander. I'm almost, not exactly but, almost directly underneath it. The turn is the most spectacular thing here, shot from the Tesco site. The climb has nothing to do with extraordinary weight configs nor pax load or fuel. It's plain and simple the vantage point I'm at as she begins her turn away from Heathrow. Hope it helps, for what it's worth.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 20):
Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 13):Looks like a take off out of SNA.
When did Virgin start flying to SNA. Please cite your sources  

Looks like "a" take off out of SNA, not specifically a "Virgin" take off out of SNA. Those that have flown out of SNA understand my comment. Do a google search on the SNA noise abatement take-off and you will understand my comment. A little bit of a surprise for the rookie flying out of SNA and a fun ride when you know what is happening.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting Cchan (Reply 14):
I have never been on a A340-500 or -600 before. How does the climb rate of these two models compare to the 777?

At LAX, from what I've seen (many times), the 777 gets off much quicker than the A345/6. I'm referencing a UA 777 flight to LHR compared to the Virgin A346 flight to LHR.

I do love seeing the SQ and TG A345's take off...They use so much runway, its awesome!
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:55 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
Remember the 600 has more "juice" than the 300.....

Its still a Dog. LH's climbs outta IAH so slow I could probably out climb it in the 182RG I used to fly.

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:24 pm

The Captain and I have reached 10,000 feet, those of you in the back row will reach 10,000 in a few moments!
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:06 pm

Empty? It's not just empty, it's really, really empty! The whole interior was taken out, even the separation of cabin and freight deck, there was only one pilot in theplane, he was naked and had a shaved head, the plane had only enough fuel to climb up to 1,500 meters and had to glide back to the airport. Only to make this impressive photo of an A346 actually climbing.  Yeah sure
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:16 pm

Just to show you it wasn't a freaky T/O or anything, this one was shot from the same position.

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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting HARLEYF150 (Reply 24):
My personal view on this is that the 346 once airbourne seems to have a very shallow climb out rate, after recording the take off on a recent trip to Dubai on a Virgin 346 from Heathrow once we began to climb away from runway 27L it just to hover rather than climb and that was only a 6 hour flight as we banked left over the M25 motorway we couldn't have been much more than a 1000ft above where as from what i've seen of the 777-300ER climbout's they seem to climb out a lot better

Be careful comparing climb rates at LHR, there is a Noise Abatement Departure Procedure (NADP) with a cutback at 1500ft, so wether A340 or B777, you're not enjoying the full capability of the aircraft...
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:04 am

A very nice shot. Love the look on this bird...nice livery.
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RE: Is This A340-600 Empty?

Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:05 am

Maybe it's doing a loopdiloop  laughing 

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