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Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:42 am

Just been reading, all of Gulf Air 767s have been grounded due to serious faults and have been ferried to DUB for maintenance with SR Technics. This has caused many flights to be cancelled i.e. Kathmandu, Dhaka, Kuala Lumpur etc
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:47 am

How many 767 do they have?

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:48 am

Should they really be flying, even ferry flights, if they have serious faults?  Wink

How many aircraft have been grounded?

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 2):
Should they really be flying, even ferry flights, if they have serious faults?

Yeah im on the flightpath !!!!!LOL....

Will be nice to see them here in DUB though.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:56 am

4 767-300 ER ...... out of which 3 are owned and 1 is leased, 3 were built in 89 and 1 in 93.
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting HBDAN (Reply 1):
How many 767 do they have?

Gulf Air have 9 Boeing 767-3P6ERs including those in the Gulf Traveller fleet. (However, I am unsure if the Gulf Traveller aircraft will be also included in this at will be flown to Dublin or not?)

Can things get any worse for GF? At least Premium Pax has increased for the airline  

Rob!   

[Edited 2007-02-27 23:01:10]
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:09 am

Wasn't Gulf Air supposed to make a decision about fleet renewal late last year? Anyone know about that?
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:26 am

Does anyone know what are these "serious faults"?
Haven't heard about any other 763s having such problems.
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:30 am

Doesnt surprise me at all, I was expecting anything since my dad told me in what a bad shape those 763s are.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:33 am

GF 9001 arrived Dublin 18.45


Regarding fleet renewal...found this from another board..

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"Just back from junket to Gulf, Beirut and London. Was lucky enough to have recently retired Brit, 20 year veteran with GF,beside me from BAH - SIN sector. Told me 787 and A350 are GF's choices. The 763's are on way out sooner as two have been found to have structural faults now..certainy got their moneys worth out of those workhorses!

As neither ac model has been released yet, Airbus seems to be trying to sweeten deal for GF by supplying interim A340's to replace 767's until A350 is available. This gentlmen went on to say "who knows what will happen now that Andre(new CEO) is here..he may totally have different view on which ac is right for GF"

Another observation he made was that while EK, EY and QR are frenzily updating fleets/interiors now, longterm GF may well have upper hand in the region as they will have benefit of hindsight and be able to take advantage of newer fit outs that will be available with more current interiors/seating. Interesting point.

[Edited 2007-02-27 23:36:08]
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:16 pm

Nice to see GF will fly the 787 and the A350 . They will look good in GF livery.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Nice to see GF will fly the 787 and the A35

I'm sure it's one or the other! Mind you, they certainly will look good.

They certainly got good use out of the 767s; I first flew on a GF 767 in 1996 and around that time (one of the captains told me), GF had won a prize for the highest 767 utilisation in the world. I flew on another 767 from DEL to BAH (via MCT) last year and it wasn't a bad experience, although the old 767 was looking tired in comparison to the 330.

There is a rumour that they are getting A340s, but I'm not sure where from? They're pretty thin on the ground right now.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:30 pm

If there are any DUBS on here get down to the airport with your cameras lol..... Will they be there on Sunday??? Im flying out on Sunday . Would be nice to see them ,
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:32 pm

From what I'm reading into the thread above, there is a lot of work - including structural repairs - to be done. There are also nine aircraft (all in Dublin?), so they won't all be in the hangar. I'm guessing we'll be seeing these aircraft for a long time to come.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:40 pm

If A340's are being proposed by Airbus as an interim solution, could B-777's not be an option as not only an interim but also a long term solution with capacity upgrade?
A350's and B787's are a long way off if you need a/c now, Airbus may have the jump with the A340 in terms of time, the A330 is probably just as backed up as the B777 by now.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:04 pm

Had a call earlier from a friend, he's got to BAH airport at noon for a 14.00 flight to DXB, canx and now rescheduled for 20.00, 'operational reasons' given and just a 'go home and come back later' , shame he lives in Al Khobar, KSA Sad
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:14 pm

Just for the record, not all 767's are "grounded"
Some are flying and some are in scheduled maintenance.

BAH is getting hit pretty hard right now ...

Once the new CEO comes on board you'll see GF's luck turn for the better.

For those of you guessing ...A350 or 787, it will not be either one of them...
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting GFA330 (Reply 18):
Once the new CEO comes on board you'll see GF's luck turn for the better.

Didn't you say that about Hogan  Yeah sure
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:16 am

From a selfish point of view I am interested to know whether GF will be seeking aircraft from other operators to cover for this lack of aircraft. I remember a L1011-500 operating for them last year for a few weeks but I just missed out on the chance to fly on it. I hope this unfortunate situation presents some similar opportunities, though!
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:36 am

I believe GF sold 4 a/c to DL. Would these be affected?

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
I'm sure it's one or the other! Mind you, they certainly will look good.

That is a fact, some say it looks tacky but I love that livery
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting Shabaz (Thread starter):
all of Gulf Air 767s have been grounded due to serious faults



Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 2):
Should they really be flying, even ferry flights, if they have serious faults

What are these Serious Faults that only affect Gulf Air B763s not Worldwide.
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:11 am

Just to clarify the 767s mostly have problems related to corrosion and I've heard rumours that 6x A330s are to be leased in to cover the shortfall. Anyone care to add ?.. i've just been checking out the schedules; GF9003 is due to land Dublin 17:45pm. Anyone in DUB confirm the number of 767s already there ?

Plus, all 767's are grounded for not less than two months as mentioned in one of the Arabic news papers in Bahrain...
For those who can read Arabic:

http://www.alayam.com/ArticleDetail.asp?CategoryId=1&ArticleId=236590

[Edited 2007-02-28 18:13:46]

[Edited 2007-02-28 18:23:11]
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting GFA330 (Reply 16):
For those of you guessing ...A350 or 787, it will not be either one of them...

How do you know?
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting GF-A330 (Reply 22):
Just to clarify the 767s mostly have problems related to corrosion

I worked for GF in the early 80s on the L1011. We had loads of problems with corrosion then. I remember that one of our eight year old Tristars really needed a new lower aft fuselage skin. But the management would not buy one so we kept patching it up. Perhaps the same has happened here. You need one really strong guy in QA to say NO, its gone too far, but it never happened when I was there.
BAH has a good climate for corrosion. The airport is surrounded by sea, and the humidity at night can reach 100%, and there is salt in that fog.
It never rained between April-December, but when you went home from work at 2200, you had your windcreen wipers on all the time to clear the humidity away.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 3:09 am

Ahhhhh, those balmy evenings in Bahrain, don't you miss them (not ........)

I heard today that GF are blaming Gamco, Gamco are blaiming GF, etc etc PLUS there is a scheduled IATA Safety Audit in April ..........
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 17):
Didn't you say that about Hogan

The only thing Hogan was good at was marketing himself.
He has just been copying his work from all his previous appointments.

The point that GF once made money during his reign has to do with the fact that GF sold off a
bucket load of assets in 2005, making the company look good at the end.

During his last month in office, the company actually had once a negative cash balance.

What Hogan did is create a lot of hype, focused around 30% of the fleet, with products that look good but at the end in comparison with OAL products are the cheapest seats in the market.
The Skybeds installed were initially rejected because of their quality, at the end of the tender they went back to the supplier and signed them anyway for cost saving purposes. To date still not all acft are equiped with the newer seats.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 18):
From a selfish point of view I am interested to know whether GF will be seeking aircraft from other operators to cover for this lack of aircraft. I remember a L1011-500 operating for them last year for a few weeks but I just missed out on the chance to fly on it. I hope this unfortunate situation presents some similar opportunities, though!

Yes there is a plan on the table but as always $$$, and there is not a whole lot of that at the moment, and I guess nobody has the guts to go ask the governement again and again for help.

My guess is that they are waiting for Oman to pull out before injecting again enough money to revive GF, and hopefully catch up some up the terrain lost to QR/EK/EY
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):

What about the ones DL has that are ex Gulf Air?

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:59 am

Now then,

A/C A4O-GK (#606) is currently sat idle up at GAMCO, presumably this will be ferried to DUB with the others or will they contract GAMCO do the maintenance on this particular machine??

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting GF-A330 (Reply 22):
Anyone care to add ?.. i

Three of them are grounded in BAH due to corrosion, one is in DUB since october for maintenance and wether they'll finish it sometime soon is beyond me, but they are heavily delayed due to all the problems popping up with the airframe, another one was ferried to DUB to change the main undercarriage and another one is grounded in BAH because of cracks in the left wing. That's all i know so far, will post more when i'll get more information.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:54 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
If there are any DUBS on here get down to the airport with your cameras lol

Here you go.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p53/AerLingus747/DUBLINGulfAir.jpg
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:46 am

Report from Dublin, Ireland / EIDW / DUB

A4O-GJ arrived in Dublin to-day Feb 28, so that makes 3 in total in Dublin, GAMCO lost the contract to SRT and parted company with GulfAir on 'bad' terms so you will not see a GF aircraft in their Hangar in BAH I suspect.

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:19 am

If it is correct that all 9 B767's are grounded for a few months thats 25% of the total fleet. Even if (as mentioned earlier) they lease in 6 x A330's that's not going to cover the shortfall plus the B767 crews wont be trained to operate the A330.

Where do you find 6 A330's sitting on the shelf, possibly with flight crews ???

Bahrain F1 GP coming up and not a great ad for the major sponsor who cannot fly in the spectators.....
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:53 am

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 31):

The problem is lack on hangar space, neither in DUB nor in ZRH do they have the needed hangar space for these three additional 767s that sit in BAH with corrision, so you wont see them flying out sometime soon and the frame with cracks in the wing wont be flown out at all as SRTechnics decided that it would be too dangerous to ferry it out. Looks like my dad will be heading down to BAH next week to sort the mess out.  banghead 

edit: spelling

[Edited 2007-03-01 00:55:00]
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:07 am

May be the Golden Falcons final swan song  Sad
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:24 pm

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 24):
BAH has a good climate for corrosion. The airport is surrounded by sea, and the humidity at night can reach 100%, and there is salt in that fog.
It never rained between April-December, but when you went home from work at 2200, you had your windcreen wipers on all the time to clear the humidity away.

It's funny you say that, as I would have assumed BAH would be a horrible climate for corrosion. (I was actually going to write a post assuming that) I'm from the NE USA and haven't been to the BAH area, but I definitely thought it would be a desert-like climate, similar to other deserts I'd been to in AZ, Morocco, etc where the air is dry, and it's incredibly hot during the day and cool at night. Thanks for sharing.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting Willyj (Reply 35):

I agree. Maybe on wet lease they can find A330's.

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 24):
I worked for GF in the early 80s on the L1011. We had loads of problems with corrosion then. I remember that one of our eight year old Tristars really needed a new lower aft fuselage skin. But the management would not buy one so we kept patching it up. Perhaps the same has happened here. You need one really strong guy in QA to say NO, its gone too far, but it never happened when I was there.
BAH has a good climate for corrosion. The airport is surrounded by sea, and the humidity at night can reach 100%, and there is salt in that fog.
It never rained between April-December, but when you went home from work at 2200, you had your windcreen wipers on all the time to clear the humidity away.

The climate is a nuisance to all the carriers in the region, however GF don't seem to handle it as well.

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 15):
Had a call earlier from a friend, he's got to BAH airport at noon for a 14.00 flight to DXB, canx and now rescheduled for 20.00, 'operational reasons' given and just a 'go home and come back later' , shame he lives in Al Khobar, KSA Sad

As sad as I am to hear about the situation at GF, I do think this is a golden opportunity for DMM to regain some of the passengers it lost to BAH. I'm sure SV and EK would love to fly your friend to DXB.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:23 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
I believe GF sold 4 a/c to DL. Would these be affected?



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 27):
What about the ones DL has that are ex Gulf Air?

one of DL's 763 is now in HKG hanger.
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 29):
Three of them are grounded in BAH due to corrosion

Surprisingly that Corrosion as caused an AOG.Wasn't it detected during Routine scheduled Check C.
Was the Corrosion removal not done properly.

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:30 pm

Quoting AerLingus747 (Reply 30):
Here you go.

Thanks , nice pics . Are any parked outside the hanger??? Maybe I will see them on Sunday. If we take off in the right direction over the hanger I might get a good photo like last time when the VS A340 was parked outside.
 
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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:49 pm

"We have made this decision in line with our "safety first" philosophy. An initial evaluation by the technical team indicates that within the next few days the B767s should gradually return to service."

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...ticle=171388&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=29346

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
Are any parked outside the hanger???

No.There was only 2 that I could see on the ground,and now they are probly in the hanger.

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RE: Gulf Air 767s Grounded

Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 39):
Surprisingly that Corrosion as caused an AOG.Wasn't it detected during Routine scheduled Check C.
Was the Corrosion removal not done properly.

I don't know, but it probably was when GAMCO was still in charge of GF's maintenance, it wouldnt be the first time that they have covered something up, from what i heard, GAMCO is a real disaster.

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