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EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:37 pm

EgyptAir will launch new flights to the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur, from 02JUN07. The airline will operate a 2x weekly service via Mumbai (BOM) with A330-200s (24C/244Y).


The flight details are as follows:

CAI BOM MS968 --3--6- 03:00/11:10 5hr40min 0 A332
BOM KUL MS968 --3--6- 12:10/19:50 5hr10min 0 A332
KUL BOM MS969 ---4--7 00:40/03:10 5hr00min 0 A332
BOM CAI MS969 ---4--7 04:10/07:50 6hr10min 0 A332


The block time from CAI to KUL will be 11hr50min and KUL to CAI will be 12hr10min.



EgyptAir had previously looked at serving Kuala Lumpur and were planning to launch services in October 1997, however the Asian Financial Crisis put a halt to that plan. Up until recently the route was served by Malaysian Airlines but the airline terminated their twice weekly KUL-CAI service in Oct06 as part of their restructuring plan. Then in late 2006 the Malaysian government approached EgyptAir with the intention of attracting the carrier to KUL and following last week's negotiations with the Indian CAA regarding the Egypt/India bilateral air service agreement, EgyptAir were granted fifth freedom rights on the BOM-KUL-BOM sectors.



EgyptAir will now serve 6 Asian destinations; BKK, PEK, NRT, KIX, BOM and KUL. A 7th Asian destination will be announced soon (pending final approval) routing via BKK with B777s on a thrice weekly basis. The airline also codeshare's on KE's ICN-CAI service.



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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
EgyptAir will now serve 6 Asian destinations; BKK, PEK, NRT, KIX, BOM and KUL. A 7th Asian destination will be announced soon (pending final approval) routing via BKK with B777s on a thrice weekly basis. The airline also codeshare's on KE's ICN-CAI service.

If I were to take a guess at the 7th Asian destination, my guess would be HKG. It just seems like a logical choice with the routing via BKK.
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:01 am

I wish they would come back to MNL.

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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:48 am

Thanks for updating us Horus. This is fantastic news indeed for KLIA and all of us spotters here!
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:21 am

When will MS return to SYD? Assuming MS could obtain fifth freedom rights, a flight from CAI to SYD could stop in either BKK or KUL.
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:09 am

This is a big surprise to me as Malaysian just dropped their service to CAI . Will this service be code-shared with Malaysian ? But very good news nonetheless .
Regarding their other Asian route via BKK , my guess is Shanghai .

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 3):
This is fantastic news indeed for KLIA and all of us spotters here!

Should we expect a lot of MS pics then  Smile

Thanks a lot for the update Horus .
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
The airline will operate a 2x weekly service via Mumbai (BOM) with A330-200s (24C/244Y).

Obviously they do not think they will make money with frequencies like this?

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 4):
When will MS return to SYD? Assuming MS could obtain fifth freedom rights, a flight from CAI to SYD could stop in either BKK or KUL.

Unlikely... But who knows? They could pull a Gulf Air and try a 2nd time?
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:26 am

A 7th Asian destination will be announced soon (pending final approval) routing via BKK with B777s on a thrice weekly basis.

Sounds like HKG...  Smile
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):



Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 5):
This is a big surprise to me as Malaysian just dropped their service to CAI . Will this service be code-shared with Malaysian ? But very good news nonetheless .

that's for Sure a very good news, congrats MS, Like Horus said Malaysian pulled from CAI because of routs restructuring plan, my guess would be that Malaysian will codeshare on it.
does anyone know what was the loads on Malaysian.

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
A 7th Asian destination will be announced soon (pending final approval) routing via BKK with B777s on a thrice weekly basis



Quoting PA101 (Reply 7):
Sounds like HKG...

I know it would be in China but i believe it's not HKG, but i'm sure horus will let us know so soon.

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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:43 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 5):
This is a big surprise to me as Malaysian just dropped their service to CAI .

Well it's precisely because there's a gap left in the market after MH's pull-out, in which MS is attempting to fill. Not to forget SQ is upping the ante quickly, with its existing CAI flights converted to non-stops. Ex-KUL, QR offers an excellent routing into CAI, with short connections at DOH on some days.

It does seem a little conservative on MS' part, to expect results from a 2x-weekly one-stop service, but it may be a good start. Then again, CAI has always been a little tricky, with the "expansionists" EK/QR/EY and maybe GF having a hulk presence in that region.
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:41 pm

MS is smart to include BOM enroute to KUL as the route is underserved.

KUL-BOM-KUL will see a healthy load factor year round! And yes I think MH would be code-sharing the route.

Pity that MS is a dry airline though..
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:07 am

Good to hear that KLIA will receive another airline after the announcement by AY not to introduce KUL via BKK.

Unfortunately for KLIA spotters; the flight will arrive/depart during night hours, so photography may be limited.

I wonder if MS will either operate the route non-stop or beef up additional frequencies if the route is successful; although they are pretty tight regarding long haul aircraft.

Could SIN be a possibility via BKK? Personally my bet is PVG or HKG.

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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:23 am

[quote=B742,reply=11]Could SIN be a possibility via BKK? Personally my bet is PVG or HKG.

Now KLIA needs BA/VS/AF

I believe MS flew to SIN some time back.. it would be nice if they started service up to SIN again though.

BA used to fly to KUL.. i think that flight continued on to AKL (?) not 100% on that.
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 12):
I believe MS flew to SIN some time back

MS used to fly twice weekly A340 CAI-SIN-SYD from the mis 90's . Unfortunately , the whole route was dropped after 9/11 .
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 12):
BA used to fly to KUL.. i think that flight continued on to AKL (?) not 100% on that.

Not sure about AKL either, but it definately continued onto SYD for a period of time just before they axed KUL altogether.
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 13):
MS used to fly twice weekly A340 CAI-SIN-SYD from the mis 90's . Unfortunately , the whole route was dropped after 9/11 .

Salut MSYYZ !
Yes sure,my mother flew CAI-SYD with MS onboard A340.

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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 15):
Salut MSYYZ !
Yes sure,my mother flew CAI-SYD with MS onboard A340.

Salut Cedars747 , comment ca va ?
I would love to see MS back in Australia , there were some talks that the Airline was considering re-instating service to Australia , but nothing has materialized . I am not sure if it is even viable to serve Australia with EK/EY/GF and may be QR serving Australia/Middle East market .
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 16):
Salut Cedars747 , comment ca va ?
I would love to see MS back in Australia , there were some talks that the Airline was considering re-instating service to Australia , but nothing has materialized . I am not sure if it is even viable to serve Australia with EK/EY/GF and may be QR serving Australia/Middle East market .

Ca va bien,merci MSYYZ.........I am planing a trip to Misr in April
One of the reasons why MEA stop flying to Australia is the Gulf Airlines competitive fares.By the way ,any news about MS joining Star-alliance ?

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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 2):
I wish they would come back to MNL.

The problem with MNL is that it is a low-yield, low volume market from Egypt. Note when EgyptAIr previously served MNL it was part of an extended routing; CAI-BKK-MNL-NRT

Quoting Airpearl (Reply 3):
Thanks for updating us Horus. This is fantastic news indeed for KLIA and all of us spotters here!

It certainly is good to see the void left by MH quickly filled.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 4):
When will MS return to SYD? Assuming MS could obtain fifth freedom rights, a flight from CAI to SYD could stop in either BKK or KUL

Back in 1997, when MS first considered the launch of KUL, the service was to continue to SYD. There are 2 issues with restarting Australia flights; a) SYD is slot constrained and b) Heavy competition from Gulf carriers is likely to make a return unfeasible.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 5):
Will this service be code-shared with Malaysian ?

KUL has yet to be officially announced so details are not fully available. A code-share with MH would make sense considering the Malaysian government's support for the new flight.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 5):
Should we expect a lot of MS pics then Smile

With an evening arrival and departure time, that might be difficult.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 6):
Obviously they do not think they will make money with frequencies like this?

EgyptAir have always served new long haul destinations via an intermediary point with low frequency until the service develops and can sustain a non-stop service and/or greater frequency. MS does not have the resources, nor the immediate demand, that the likes of BA, LH, AF, EK, etc enjoy allowing them to launch long haul flights at high(er) frequency.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 8):
that's for Sure a very good news, congrats MS, Like Horus said Malaysian pulled from CAI because of routs restructuring plan, my guess would be that Malaysian will codeshare on it.
does anyone know what was the loads on Malaysian.

Izaayak Tut. Masr Lil Tayran malyana surprises.

Regarding MH's loads, the latest figures I have are for 2005 (2006 figures are not available). For that year, MH operated 101 flights on the KUL-CAI-KUL route, all on B777-200s. 28,078 seats were available on these flights, and they carried a total of 19,665 passengers which equates to a loadfactor of 70.04%. That year, the airline carried 518 tonnes of freight/mail on their CAI flights. The figures seem healthy enough but without financial results it's impossible to determine the profitability of the service.

Quoting JeffrySkY (Reply 9):
Not to forget SQ is upping the ante quickly, with its existing CAI flights converted to non-stops

As reported in post 16 of this thread, SQ's new non-stop flights come into effect on 27MAR07 with the following schedule.

SIN CAI SQ492 -23--6- 18:00/22:55 9hr55min 0 B772
CAI SIN SQ493 --34--7 01:00/15:15 10hr05min 0 B772


There's no doubting this is an upgrade, however the new flight times are far from being as convenient as the current one-stop service which allowed for excellent connection opportunities at either end of the route.

Quoting JeffrySkY (Reply 9):
Then again, CAI has always been a little tricky, with the "expansionists" EK/QR/EY and maybe GF having a hulk presence in that region.

And the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation are well aware of the threat from Gulf carriers, and as a result have used their power to keep their frequencies limited to ensure that they do not flood the Egyptian market (see below). Though I'm a staunch supporter of a deregulation in the Egyptian market, the CAI-UAE/DOH market needs to be watched (and perhaps even controlled) to avoid unfair competition.

Schedules of Selected Gulf Carriers to CAI (S07):
  • Emirates: 10x weekly B772/B773/B77W/A332 services from DXB
  • Etihad: 10x weekly A332 services from AUH
  • Qatar Airways: 7x weekly A332/A333 services from DOH
  • Gulf Air: 9x weekly A343/B767 services from BAH


Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 10):
MS is smart to include BOM enroute to KUL as the route is underserved.

KUL-BOM-KUL will see a healthy load factor year round!

The BOM-KUL route is currently served by MH with a daily B772/A332 non-stop service (MH194/195) and a 2x weekly AI A310 service via DEL (AI432/433). From the 2005 figures, loadfactors are quite low on this route though. MH had an average loadfactor of 54% and AI's was 31.6%.

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 10):

Pity that MS is a dry airline though..

Though it may be percieved as a disadvantage by some, offering competitve airfares, good connections, a reliable service, etc are seen as more important competitve tools in attracting today's passenger.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 13):
Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 12):
I believe MS flew to SIN some time back

MS used to fly twice weekly A340 CAI-SIN-SYD from the mis 90's . Unfortunately , the whole route was dropped after 9/11 .

The flights were terminated on July 30th 2002 following the passenger drop after 9/11. The airline reported losses of £EGP110million ($30million) on the SYD route in its final year of operation and with an average loadfactor of 65%. The route flown was CAI-SIN-SYD-SIN-CAI and management were about to change the flights to CAI-KUL-SYD-KUL-CAI as well as a plan to launch MEL flights (the latter has the largest Egyptian community in Australia).


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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:26 am

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
CAI BOM MS968 --3--6- 03:00/11:10 5hr40min 0 A332
BOM KUL MS968 --3--6- 12:10/19:50 5hr10min 0 A332
KUL BOM MS969 ---4--7 00:40/03:10 5hr00min 0 A332
BOM CAI MS969 ---4--7 04:10/07:50 6hr10min 0 A332

'

It's a two stop service, but if the price is right, I'm sure Egypt-Australia traffic would use it.
Then again, MH serves more points that GF and EK, so I think it could do OK.

Egypt - Australia
CAI BOM MS968 --3--6- 03:00/11:10 5hr40min 0 A332
BOM KUL MS968 --3--6- 12:10/19:50 5hr10min 0 A332

connects with:

9:50p KUL M 6:15a+1 ADL 1 MH 139 Non-stop 772 6:55
9:30p KUL M 7:00a+1 MEL 2 MH 149 Non-stop 772 7:30
10:05p KUL M 8:00a+1 SYD 1 MH 123 Non-stop 744 7:55


Australia - Egypt

4:30p PER 1 10:10p KUL M MH 124 Non-stop 772 5:40
3:00p ADL 1 9:00p KUL M MH 138 Non-stop 772 7:30
3:00p MEL 2 9:10p KUL M MH 148 Non-stop 772 8:10
2:20p SYD 1 8:45p KUL M MH 122 Non-stop 744 8:25

connects with:

KUL BOM MS969 ---4--7 00:40/03:10 5hr00min 0 A332
BOM CAI MS969 ---4--7 04:10/07:50 6hr10min 0 A332
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:42 am

Quoting BCA2005 (Reply 14):
Quoting EYFlyer88 (Reply 12):BA used to fly to KUL.. i think that flight continued on to AKL (?) not 100% on that.
Not sure about AKL either, but it definately continued onto SYD for a period of time just before they axed KUL altogether.

BA used to fly LHR to KUL and on to Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney during the early-80s using the 747.
This was BA9/10 and BA11/12. On some days the flights also stopped in Singapore (BA11/12) on their way down to Oz. At the time - there was even a flight via BWN which continued to Sydney and Brisbane - but that flight BA14/15 which operated via SIN rather than KUL.

During the mid-80s, there was a big switch when BA revamped its SE Asian and Australian operations.
Due to growing demand at Bangkok, BKK was upgraded from the L1011 (which was then also served from MAN via MUC and DXB by the L1011) to the 747 and BA9/10 was switched to fly via BKK rather than KUL.
KUL received its first turnaround service but equipment was switched from the 747 to the L1011 - renumbered as BA33/32 operating via BAH and BKK twice weekly and AUH twice weekly but flew on to Manila. SIN was delinked from KUL and operated a one-stop service from LHR which continued on to Australia.

Later, BA reintroduced its 747 to KUL with the phasing out of its longhaul TriStars with BA33/32 (KUL/MNL service being upgraded) and BA introduced BA149/148 which flew LHR-KWI-MAA-KUL using the 747 Classics. One of these was famously caught at the start of the Kuwait invasion by Iraq - which again changed BA's route map.

For a short period during the Kuwaiti invasion - KUL was served via BKK and this reintroduced BA9/10 back to KUL and continued on to Perth and Adelaide and another flight operated to Melbourne and Auckland.

Shortly after, the 747-400 was introduced and the BA149/148 was reintroduced but omitted the Middle East stop and flew LHR-MAA-KUL - whilst the BA9/10 service was simply upgraded to the newer -400 series. I remember flying on one of BA's first (744) examples and the crew proudly announced that the aircraft was only 4 days old as we left London bound for BKK and KUL. That flight continued on to Perth and Auckland (IIRC).

During the 1990s, Jakarta was introduced on to the network and there was a great race to introduce faster services to Australia/NZ owing to the advent of the 744 (and stern competition from SQ, MH and the likes all operating one-stop services to Oz) - so BA revamped their network again...

This time, BA9/10 operated daily via BKK for Australia whilst BA11/12 operated daily via Singapore and on to Australia. BA33 (and its renumbered return BA34) was switch to the 744 and flew LHR-KUL-CGK for a few years before the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997.

BA33/34 then operated a mix of LHR-KUL-SYD and LHR-KUL-CGK but things were about to change as BA and QF reorganised their SE Asian operations and after a short spell of LHR-KUL-CGK being sized down to the 777 (which was BA's longest 777 route at the time) - the rest is of course now history as - BA pulled out of Malaysia after over 50yrs of flying (into Malaysia) and was once Europe's largest and most frequent visitor to KUL...
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 20):
Reply 20

Great insight of the history of BA in KUL.  wave 
 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:03 pm

horus ur knowledge of egyptian aviation is gay  box   conehead 
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RE: EgyptAir To Launch Flights To Kuala Lumpur

Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:54 am

The latest rumour suggests the airline will actually offer a 3x weekly service on the route and is waiting approval from the relevant authorities.


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p.s. not much of a contribution there IOLAR...as usual

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