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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 10):
Why are you drinking Warsteiner? That pathetic excuse for a brew that no one actually likes except Milwaukees Best drinking Yanks who think they are being German..At least drink some Spaten out there for the love of our good god

Ha Ha, We do have some better beer than Warsteiner........

Quoting BAalltheway (Reply 22):
Or are they simply trying to prove that these behmouth buses can be handled at these airports

I think these are flights that LH wanted to organize to see if they could handle an A380 at the airports they want to serve with them......
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:53 am

Hi all!

I just read this post and got excited about the A380 comming to the USA, I called Airbus to check on the details and here is what I found out.

Chicago - March 20 - Land at 1PM, deaprt at 7:40 PM (local times) This is the official time the A380 will be in Chicago, source Airbus.

I will be comming to ORD at 1 PM, I won't be renting a car though are the plane watching places accessible by walking or shuttle or any other way?

Thanks!

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 49):
Also, what if it comes in on 14R, we will see anything?

That's what I was wondering. If it turns off at Tango 10 we could potentially not get a good view of it. I mentioned before that the Employee lot for Northwest/United cargo is a great spot for 32L/14R.

Also, how is security at this parking lot. I.E., a lot of police presence driving by etc?

Either way count me in, and we need to get a set time and location, and perhaps some kind of count.
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:02 am

I'll try and be there as well. I wont know until next thursday or friday. I'm hoping for the 20th off of work.

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:11 pm

Quoting BAalltheway (Reply 22):
First impressions are quite important, and showing an aircraft in a market that likely won't order too many A380's too early in the process could prove to be very unsuccessful.

I wouldnt call this an early stage in the program, I would say the program is complete, it's all over bar the deliveries now.
As fr business in the US.. it will look good on TV in Germany and Australia, plus the Americans always love a good show.

Even if no US carrier orders the A380, the PR for the public is what sells the seats.. and this PR money cant buy.

I doubt a US carrier would ever order the A380 the US network with flexibility of 8 flights x 100 seats vs 1 flight of 800 seats is more suited to the US market.
What US routes would need 800 x 1 a day ? From the west coast to Europe offers dozens of route options, as does East Coast to Asia.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting ChicagoOhare (Reply 52):
I mentioned before that the Employee lot for Northwest/United cargo is a great spot for 32L/14R.

Where is this lot? Can anyone just pull in there and park? Is this it?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...3,-87.925408&spn=0.005255,0.010579

What about a BBQ in the St. Johannes Church cemetery (if it hasn't been relocated yet)? That looks like a perfect viewing spot. Is it open to the public?

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:47 pm

Once again, I'm in on the 20th. Just let me know the time and place, I'll be there. I will bring the brats if we get a head count. Now all we need is some good german beer. I think that 1000 should be a good time to meet considering the 1300 arrival time. Now where have we decided is the best location?
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:18 pm

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but the last time I spotted at ORD (UAL & NWA cargo areas as well as near the taxi/limo staging area by the end of 27R) I was nearly thrown in jail, had my car searched, and told to "never come back" by Chicago's finest.....

Have things changed?
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:27 pm

The parking lot is on Express Center Road, off of Montrose (which is just off of Manheim).

The lot is the old BAX Cargo building (Bldg. #13). The lot is completely open, and I spot there often. There is no gate, or signs posted saying No Trespassing.

Good point on looking for an alternate spot on the opposite end of the rwy. I might be able to do a second recon.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:59 am

I work that day and will try to drive over to the gate and take some pics for you all.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 39):
I don't know if I'll be able to make it. Depends if my parents accept. I will either fly AirTran or Amtrak to ORD. Or I will have to wait many years for the A380 to come to MSP. Hopefully it won't be the second one. Does anyone know a cheap hotel, but not dirty in Chicago?

We stayed at the Hilton (in-field) for something around $80 a year ago. Got the tix off hotwire within that week. Hope it helps!
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 55):
Where is this lot? Can anyone just pull in there and park? Is this it?

The lot you have shown is by the United MX area on the north of the airfield.

I go by the southwest cargo area, by Fedex, United, Northwest, cargo etc.. etc. Anyone can just pull in there. In fact there is a Pace bus stop right there. The last time I have spotted was towards the end of this past summer/fall and I was fine. I did see other cars spotting, (I always wondered if the other people were A-netters), and have not had trouble with the police. I HAVE been stopped before a year or two ago, but NEVER kicked out, and told that I CAN come back.

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 57):
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but the last time I spotted at ORD (UAL & NWA cargo areas as well as near the taxi/limo staging area by the end of 27R) I was nearly thrown in jail, had my car searched, and told to "never come back" by Chicago's finest.....

Have things changed?

When was the last time you went to either location?

Quoting LGBFltTrainer (Reply 58):
The lot is the old BAX Cargo building (Bldg. #13). The lot is completely open, and I spot there often. There is no gate, or signs posted saying No Trespassing.

If you think there is going to be no problems (it seems like we might have over 10 people or so) then this might work.
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 57):
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but the last time I spotted at ORD (UAL & NWA cargo areas as well as near the taxi/limo staging area by the end of 27R) I was nearly thrown in jail, had my car searched, and told to "never come back" by Chicago's finest.....

Have things changed?

This happened to me as well...my mother was with me (I was only like 15) and she had her UA badge but they still made us leave. It was a UA supervisor in the cargo bldg that reported me. The cop actually said he wouldn't have chased me away if it was up to him, but the sup thought I must be a terroist since I wanted to take pictures of airplanes. This was almost 3 years ago, so with 9/11 I didn't make a fuss and that lot IS private property.

I was also chased away spotting near the end of 14R (near the entrance to the hangars off of Mt. Prospect Rd), the guy (DoA) threatened to arrest me if I ever came back and took my film.

Needless to say, even though in the second case I know I wasn't doing anything illegal, I have given up spotting outside of ORD. Just not worth the hassle...
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:31 am

Security - that concerns me most for that day. A group of more than 5 people congregating anywhere on airport property, whether it be South Cargo or by the BAX Cargo building or wherever, will attract someone's attention - someone who is likely going to call airport security, who are not going to be very nice about escourting us off airport property.
My success spotting on ORD property over the years has been by keeping an extremely low profile. The only times I've been hasseled has been when more than 5 people are hanging out in one place. Just keep that in mind. Maybe a courtesy call to the aviation cops to get permission sooner rather than later would help matters? I wish I had a contact there - anyone know of anyone? The best place that day, in my opinion, will be South Cargo, at the end of 14R.

Quoting United787 (Reply 55):
What about a BBQ in the St. Johannes Church cemetery (if it hasn't been relocated yet)? That looks like a perfect viewing spot. Is it open to the public?

Its a great spot when landings are on 9R - or was a great spot. There really is no access there anymore with all the construction going on in that area.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:12 pm

Thank God Ill be working on that day.....Im not the least bit interested in seeing the thing......

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:51 pm

I was spotting two years ago on one of the lots, when I was approached by 3 under covered police cars. They searched my car, me and my buddy. Took my ID for about 30 min. They asked weird questions like: "what are you gonna do with this camera" , or " what the he** are you gonna use those pictures for". I told them that it is my hobby, and those pictures are for my very own use.They made me delete the photos on the spot , and told me not to comeback ever again. 15 minutes later I was spotting in the Allstate arena parking lot  cheerful 
If the law doesn't prohibits taking pictures of the airplanes , then I don't understand what their problem is. I remember asking a DOA officer about that, he said that I could take pictures, but only if the A/C is NOT in the gate.
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:50 pm

Luke7E7 makes a good point, worse case scenario we could all meet in the parking lot of the Allstate arena or even the Target next door. Though I think that it also would be a good idea if someone has a contact with the aviation police there or CPD to ask where we could go and spot.

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting Sangas (Reply 46):
IIRC, M13 is in the "middle" of the Terminal 5 where there are acouple of "outcroppings" from the main building.

IIRC LH is also using Terminal 1 for the widebodies. Will they make gate changes on this terminal too? Or don't they because it makes UA look tiny.....  Smile
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:14 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 64):
Thank God Ill be working on that day.....Im not the least bit interested in seeing the thing......

You mean that if you had not been working someone would have dragged you, kicking and screaming all the while, to the event?  sarcastic 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 64):
Thank God Ill be working on that day.....Im not the least bit interested in seeing the thing......

Not trying to sound rude in any way, but why respond to the post if you aren't interested in seeing the airplane. Just my 2 cents worth.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting AADC10137 (Reply 69):
Not trying to sound rude in any way, but why respond to the post if you aren't interested in seeing the airplane. Just my 2 cents worth.

Because there's always one who's got to show their disdain for something that is actually an historical event that most people want to be a part of, even if it's only a distant photo  Wink
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 67):
IIRC LH is also using Terminal 1 for the widebodies. Will they make gate changes on this terminal too? Or don't they because it makes UA look tiny.....

Currently at ORD LH flights arrives at Terminal 5 (International Terminal) and Departs from Terminal 1 (UA Terminal). When the 380 enters regular service at ORD it will arrive and depart from Terminal 5.
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:47 am

I will so be there! I am hoping to get my friend to come with me as she is German, and after all is a "german" plane flown by a german airline.  Wink I too was wondering where the best place to arange a get together would be. Is there any one who lives in Chicago who is close with the authorities that could find out where a good place to spot would be?

Hope to see you all there!
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 70):
Because there's always one who's got to show their disdain for something that is actually an historical event that most people want to be a part of, even if it's only a distant photo

That was my thought exactly! I can't wait to see it!!  Smile
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:50 am

Count me in! Lets get a location set, all of the ones Ive heard sound great. Also, calling the aviation police isn't a bad idea.
Just let me know where.

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:29 am

I know the police are already involved in organizing any crowds and some directing traffic. I'm sure they will be well aware of spotters hanging around the area and not give any of them too much trouble if they're in the right locations. I'll pass along more details as I get them.
 
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting MarcoT (Reply 68):
You mean that if you had not been working someone would have dragged you, kicking and screaming all the while, to the event? sarcastic

Id love to see them try.......LOL!!!

Quoting AADC10137 (Reply 69):
Not trying to sound rude in any way, but why respond to the post if you aren't interested in seeing the airplane. Just my 2 cents worth.

You're not being rude, I'm just making the point that I'm not with the "Airbuis Kool-Aid Crowd" of excited individuals that are clamouring to see this behemoth with wings.....Besides, Im sure that I am not the first to ever post an anti-climactic reply to a thread on here and I wont be the last....

Those are my few cents worth....

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:00 am

ive just put in a request to have that day off. I told them i have a job interview. we'll see next thursday or friday. Count me in so far. All I need now is a location!

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:47 am

well do we know what time for sure it is going to come in, because I myself will be calling off for this, so just tell me what time you guys will be there and where, you can maybe see it from 294 just before the toll going south...

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:30 am

I would love to see this beast of an airplane. But no one has answered a very important question! For those of us who wish to fly in for this event, how could we get to these meeting locations without renting a car. Mind you, I personally have no problem with walking! I will definalty be at ORD either way that day, hopefully I will be located somewhere I can see this thing!

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 79):
how could we get to these meeting locations without renting a car. Mind you, I personally have no problem with walking! I will definalty be at ORD either way that day, hopefully I will be located somewhere I can see this thing!

Hey if you want a ride I can get you and drive were everone will be at....
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 79):
I would love to see this beast of an airplane. But no one has answered a very important question! For those of us who wish to fly in for this event, how could we get to these meeting locations without renting a car. Mind you, I personally have no problem with walking! I will definalty be at ORD either way that day, hopefully I will be located somewhere I can see this thing!

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:31 am

I'll definitely be there. my parents know im gonna be there so it's all cool. i'll be there in my minivan. lol.

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:52 am

I'll be there from 1004 to 1740...just listed flights pretty open...i can't wait to see this thing in person! Glad it just happens to fall on my days off!!

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:07 pm

OMG!!!! Ill make sure I bring my camera!!
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:16 pm

If anyone needs a ride and is flying into ORD lemme know I can also pickup. I seat 6 people plus me.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 85):
If anyone needs a ride and is flying into ORD lemme know I can also pickup. I seat 6 people plus me.

Do we know were we are going to watch from yet? BTW your very kind  Smile
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 86):
Do we know were we are going to watch from yet?

We should probably get this set in stone before too much longer or else we'll all be scrambling to find spots at the last minute. We should also get a list together to see who is all planning to show up.



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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
I heard the only runways it can come in on is 14R or 32L. Does anyone know good spotting locations for those two approaches?

9R-27L is certainly also an option, and 4R-22L may even be an option.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 27):
T1 definitely can't, the 744s are just able to squeeze in.

There are a number of gates in T1 and at least 1 UA (Express) gate in T2 that **could** handle a 380 with varying degrees of disruption to operations at other gates (and varying amounts of passenger discomfort).
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting AADC10137 (Reply 87):
We should probably get this set in stone before too much longer or else we'll all be scrambling to find spots at the last minute. We should also get a list together to see who is all planning to show up.

 thumbsup 

I couldn't agree more... I a defenit in for this, I'm going to try and be there by 10am. Can we figure out the location?
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:57 am

for those who are flying in, the high for Tuesday will be 49ºF / 9ºC. Sunny, 10% chance of rain. although today is a lovely 71ºF / 21ºC.

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 90):
49ºF / 9ºC

Oh man, maybe I should stay home, its not worth handling the cold to see the BIG BUS...

 Silly

Oh, ok, maybe I'll still go...

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 90):
Oh man, maybe I should stay home, its not worth handling the cold to see the BIG BUS...

COLD??? That's warm for Chicago! I saw 49 degrees and I was happy. How sad.

Just to let everyone know... Some roads will be completely blocked off by the police, so navigating around the airport may be difficult. I don't have the specifics yet though.

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:22 am

Bummer, I won't be able to take that day off from work.  hissyfit  Definitely post pictures.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:23 am

All this excitement, I can't wait!
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 92):
COLD??? That's warm for Chicago

LoL, I was just kidding, 49* ain't bad either for RI, this time of year...

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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:29 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 88):

9R-27L is certainly also an option, and 4R-22L may even be an option.

They're not a remote possibility. The only runway capable of landing the beast is 32L/14R.

But, yes, I will definitely be there on the 20th. Hope to see all you guys there!
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:15 am

Unfortunately I will be in SFO for work next week - you guys enjoy the show and be sure to take some good pics! And don't let the cops give you a hard time!
-Airfinair

PS - If I were a betting man, I'd put money on a 14R landing.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 96):
They're not a remote possibility. The only runway capable of landing the beast is 32L/14R.

Umm... why? 9R-27L is plenty long, and 4R-22L is probably long enough. Heck, even 14L-32R could take the beast.
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RE: A380 Visit To ORD On March 20th

Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 98):
Umm... why? 9R-27L is plenty long, and 4R-22L is probably long enough. Heck, even 14L-32R could take the beast.

IIRC, as of present the A380 has only been certified to land on runways 200' wide and up in the US. 14R/32L is the only 200' wide runway at ORD.

Also, because runway/ taxiway/ tunnel/ bridge improvements haven't been finished, I'm sure they have to limit A380 movements - if it is 14R arrival, and they're headed over to T5, there is really only two turns - taxiway M off of 14R, and either M5 or M6 to T5.

I'm pretty sure there is a process for airports to have taxiways certified for A380 usage. This includes increasing widths and weight ratings as well as maintaining clearance from other aircraft. So most airports will keep the taxiing to a minimum. While runways like ORD's 4R/22L may be long enough, can you imagine how many taxiways an A380 would have to take to get to T5? And how much it would cost to upgrade them to the new standards? Too much, so they'll limit A380 movements for quite a while I'd gather.
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