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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:38 am

JFK-HAM-DXB is switching from 77W to 345. I'm looking into buying a ticket to DXB in June and I see it in the schedules.

Could very well be, 'cause it's still time ahead and the ac scheduling has not been finalized.

My flight HAM-JFK on March 31st and back on April 14th was scheduled to be an A345 as well on time of booking in December. Now it turns to be out a 77W instead... (would have loved to be on an A345, due to its spacious configuration, but an 77W is fine as well...).

Edit: just double-checked on their website: the flights in May are scheduled with an 77W, the ones in June with an A345 as of now...

[Edited 2007-03-04 22:41:17]
 
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
IMO it´s very likely ...

Maybe they´ll base some 380s at HAM ...



Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 41):
DXB-GLA-IAH...Now theres a route that would make money Big grin

Wrong.
DXB-ABZ-IAH would make money though
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 51):
Wrong.
DXB-ABZ-IAH would make money though

Wrong.
North Sea Oil industry is not limited to Aberdeen.

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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
to develop the Hamburg airport to a spider in Europe



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
east and waistcoats



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Translation with Abacho.de

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What?s the richest ? Luxembourg ?

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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:50 pm

While I understand the hype of the German members of this forum,there is not yet any official confirmation available from Emirates.
Some German newspapers report the news,but also state there has not been any confirmation from the Emirat's German direction . There is however a confirmation that Emirates wants to re-name the Hamburg Football-stadium into Emirate's Arena...
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:43 pm

Why LH not just base one A 340 immediately in HAM ? As HAM have feeders to FRA,MUC,STR,DUS,NUE; etc. etc. they could be used also in the other direction. Further more also the maintenance capacity in HAM is given as LH Technics main center is based in HAM. I know also several LH long haul pilots living in HAM and going to FRA all the time to go on duty. So there should not be any big cost involved doing that. Also the saving potential is huge as HAM airport offers for e.g. 100 % discount on landing fees for new destinations. Also the star alliance terminal in Hamburg have enough capacity for this. So guys from LH go ahead base a long haul aircraft in Hamburg before others doing it.

[Edited 2007-03-05 10:45:08]
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 55):
So there should not be any big cost involved doing that. Also the saving potential is huge as HAM airport offers for e.g. 100 % discount on landing fees for new destinations. Also the star alliance terminal in Hamburg have enough capacity for this. So guys from LH go ahead base a long haul aircraft in Hamburg before others doing it.

What does having low or no cost help when you don't make money from flying?

LH has quite a lot of flights out of HAM, just not intercontinental ones, so LH can hardly be said to be ignoring HAM. If they were convinced that it would work, they'd be doing it. They obviously simply don't see HAM as having enough potential.
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:12 pm

Certainly not overly good news for LH, as this means indeed more competition in their core markets. However, I don't know if increasing their HAM services will really help. They have chosen FRA and MUC as hubs for their international products, and I doubt that introducing a third hub would strenghten their position.

For HAM, it would be fantastic news. They lost the competition against MUC a couple of years ago, and they have strong competition from LEJ on the cargo sector, and from Berlin with it's "capital airport", that will certainly receive political support.

Establishing a hub for a major international airline as EK would certainly be just what the doctor ordered in that situation.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 54):
There is however a confirmation that Emirates wants to re-name the Hamburg Football-stadium into Emirate's Arena...

Would be an improvement compared to "AOL-Arena", that much is for sure...  Smile
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:16 pm

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 55):
Why LH not just base one A 340 immediately in HAM ?

Well I remember some months ago there where rumors about LH basing some 340s ...

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 57):
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 54):
There is however a confirmation that Emirates wants to re-name the Hamburg Football-stadium into Emirate's Arena...

Would be an improvement compared to "AOL-Arena", that much is for sure... Smile

That for sure and schalkes one Gazprom Arena Big grin
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):

Yeah...This isn't going to happen.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
the Arabian Airline of emirate wants to develop the Hamburg airport to a spider in Europe. As the news magazine "Focus" announces, then should start from Germany from flights in the whole world, like already from Dubai, the seat of the society from the united Arab Emirates. Airport speaker Stefanie Harder said to the "Focus": " Of emirate Hamburg has selected itself as a preferential location in Europe. From here flights should start, above all, in the direction of east and waistcoats. " Nowadays Hamburg approaches of emirate only two spots daily. Nevertheless, the very expanding airline negotiates about other start approvals and land approvals.

That is a really, really bad translator.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
IMO it´s very likely ...

No it isn't. If anything, the German government will step in.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 29):
well FRA itself maybe not reach the 1 million, but the region is one of the biggest in germany, do not forget Mainz, Darmstadt, Mannheim, Offenbach, and all the smaller citys around.... + it was after the WW2 a US gateway...

Not to mention Wiesbaden, Hanau, etc. Further, there are a whole lot of moneyed business interests.

Quoting PA101 (Reply 42):
(that's why HAM-THR works for IR),

Yeah, but they pretty much soak up the demand right there.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 54):
There is however a confirmation that Emirates wants to re-name the Hamburg Football-stadium into Emirate's Arena...

How long does AOL own the rights to the Volksparkstadion for? Also, why in the world do they call a Stadium "Arena"?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 58):
schalkes one Gazprom Arena

Um, the AufSchalke is currently named Veltins Arena.
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 59):

That is a really, really bad translator.

Sorry , just know this one ...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 59):
Um, the AufSchalke is currently named Veltins Arena.

sarcasm  Wink
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 59):
How long does AOL own the rights to the Volksparkstadion for?

Until the end of this season, IIRC, May or June 07.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 59):
Also, why in the world do they call a Stadium "Arena"?

Supposedly because of the arenas being so much closer to the actual field and the seating areas being stacked above each other, rather than rising up and away in old stadiums.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 58):
Well I remember some months ago there where rumors about LH basing some 340s ...

And whatever happened to those rumors? Exactly, nichts, niente, nada, nothing. Should be an indicator enough about the reliability of rumors about HAM.

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 57):
They lost the competition against MUC a couple of years ago,

More like "a couple of decades ago".

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 57):
and they have strong competition from LEJ on the cargo sector,

ROFL, yeah right. LEJ will have the DHL hub, and then what else? Certainly not much more than HAM.

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 57):
and from Berlin with it's "capital airport"

Which is still a few years away.
 
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:47 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 61):
Supposedly because of the arenas being so much closer to the actual field and the seating areas being stacked above each other, rather than rising up and away in old stadiums.

Interesting. Given its size and outdoor setting, it should be called a stadium.

Anyway, here is a better translation into real language:

The arab airline Emirates wants to build Hamburg Airport into a European hub. The newsmagazine "Focus" reported that they would then starts flights around the world from Germany like they do from Dubai, the headquarters of the U.A.E company.

Airport Spokeswoman, Stefanie Harder said in Focus, "Emirates has chosen Hamburg as their prefered location in Europe. From here, flights will go in all directions, East and West."

Right now, Emirates only flies to Hamburg twice a day. The strongly expanding airline is negotiating for more takeoff and landing slots.



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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 62):
Better to use your brain than a computer Wink

That´s right ! Thank you N1120A !
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 63):
Thank you N1120A !

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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 52):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 51):
Wrong.
DXB-ABZ-IAH would make money though

Wrong.
North Sea Oil industry is not limited to Aberdeen.

Theres the oil industry around HUY and NWI too  Wink

Seriously though I guess EK would have to serve GLA over ABZ because I doubt a A330 could depart fully loaded from ABZ to IAH or DXB
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:26 am

Seems the whole story is not tue....
Emirates has -through Reuters-denied the report.
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 66):
Emirates has -through Reuters-denied the report.

I read the same in another forum but was not able to find anything on the web. Do you have the URL for the report?

It seemed unlikely from the beginning...
Maybe EK only thought about adding one further flight and not about a hub as suggested by the reports. We will see what will happen.
 
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:13 am

I guess this hub will allow them more flight to the US as you eliminate the DXB to Europe stage of the flight? Shame though they didn't go somewhere like STN. I've often wondered if an airline would create long haul flights accross the world from here.
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:40 am

16:55 05Mar2007 RTRS-Fluggesellschaft Emirates - Kein Drehkreuz in Hamburg geplant

Frankfurt, 05. Mär (Reuters) - Die arabische Fluggesellschaft Emirates[EMAIR.UL] will den Flughafen Hamburg entgegen einem Medienbericht nicht zu ihrem Drehkreuz in Europa machen. "Emirates hat keine Pläne, in Hamburg oder irgend einer anderen europäischen Großstadt ein Drehkreuz zu errichten", teilte ein Unternehmenssprecher am Montag mit. "Unser Drehkreuz ist Dubai."
Das Magazin "Focus" hatte in seiner jüngsten Ausgabe eine Sprecherin des Hamburg Flughafens zitiert, wonach Emirates sich die Hansestadt als zentralen Airport in Europa ausgesucht habe, um von hier aus Flüge in die ganz Welt zu starten. "Deutschland ist einer der wichtigsten Märkte für Emirates", fügte der Sprecher hinzu.
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 69):
Darüber hinaus gibt es täglich eine Verbindung Hamburg-New York.

And what about more DXB-HAM-USA flights ? Is this likely ?
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:16 pm

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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 71):

So let me get this right: Emirates wants to fly HAM-China, and for that wants the bilateral between Germany and the UAEs changed. Great, and what's in it for Germany? Oh right, nothing. Just another sign that EK really doesn't know where to put all the aircraft they are getting.
 
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting Patroni (Reply 16):
Anyone got an idea on EK's traffic rights situation ex HAM? I can not imagine that they can just go ahead and start any route as they please...

That is exactly the case, and the reason why they choose a German City. Already decades ago, Gemany and the United Arab Emirates signed a contract on seventh freedom for both sides. For decades, this was a big advantage for LH on their way to South East Asia, and still is - but it allows EK to operate from a German airport if they just can get slots.

This prohibits FRA, and MUC is well severed by Lufthansa. So their remain DUS ( limited by total amount of flights allowed per year ), HAM (limited by size) and in longer future BBI - since everything built in Berlin takes twice the time and three times the costs as planned and breaks down in the first storm this will be about 2015.

HAM as EK hub already was in several magazins about a year ago, so it is neither surprising nor unlikely. What they do need is a local partner to feed the planes, and it is no so difficult to count the local candidates.
 
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RE: Emirates To Use Hamburg As Hub

Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:44 pm

I consider one flight to the west coast likely, with A345. LAX as example.

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