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US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:37 am

Scott Kirby said today in a crew news section, US is accepting RFPs from Airbus and Boeing. He said they are very close to a decision between the 737-900ER or the A321. Whatever one they choose will replace the domestic 757's.

Also noted, Scott talked briefly on a wide body replacement order. No details on that.
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:44 am

I find that a little bit interesting... they did just take on an additional set of A321s, I can't really see adding the 739ER at this point making much sense. The 739ER and A321 are basically indentical in terms of performance, and they've already got a pretty large installed base with more to come.

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:52 am

Delivery slots, pricing, performance on the margins that matter to their route structure and hub locations...who knows? Certainly Airbus has the inside track on this RFP though. Also interesting to see that US is playing it straight after the A350 loan/purchase assistance. You'd figure that would have bought Airbus an incremental orders for existing fleet types as a thank-you, at minimum.

Though I guess I don't know how big their 757 fleet is. Is it very large? If so, replacing the whole type really does demand an RFP to be fair to the shareholders. Whatever goes into service will be there for a long time...
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 2):
You'd figure that would have bought Airbus an incremental orders for existing fleet types as a thank-you, at minimum.

It did. They ordered some A321s. Granted, not a boatload of them, but certainly more than a handful.

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 2):
Though I guess I don't know how big their 757 fleet is. Is it very large?

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 2):
Is it very large?

They have about 43 757's in the fleet.

[Edited 2007-03-07 20:57:29]
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Mu2 (Thread starter):
US is accepting RFPs from Airbus and Boeing. He said they are very close to a decision between the 737-900ER or the A321. Whatever one they choose will replace the domestic 757's.

I also found this to be ralther interesting. It's the first time US considers Boeing in a while. I think the fleet of 757s is fairly small; I want to say 10 to 20 aircraft at the most, given how many A321s they have. I don't have the fleet specifics though...
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:06 am

Man I hope they order the 737-9ER. It's performance range/speed/fuel burn look to be much better on paper than the A321.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:07 am

What about the ETOPS aircraft such as the 757's to Hawaii? I believe the 737-900ER will work but the 321 may have range/payloads problems? This has been debated back and forth but I seem to recall the 321 would have problems on hot days out of PHX and LAS?

I am confident someone will attempt to clarify....thanks
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:07 am

Steeler, you have to add east and west fleets up now. As others have said, 43 total. It might be the first time in a while for the old US, but HP was no stranger to Boeing. Personally, I'd rather see more 321's instead of the -900ER. But I'm sure price will win in the long run.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 8):
Steeler, you have to add east and west fleets up now. As others have said, 43 total. It might be the first time in a while for the old US, but HP was no stranger to Boeing.

Yeah, I keep forgetting about US and HP having different fleet  silly 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:16 am

This will be intresting, since in the past we (HP) kept clear of the 321, because of performance limits out of PHX/LAS to the east coast on hot days. I dont know much about the -900s, except that Ive seen AS and CO -900s in both cities, and CO has sent one to ABQ once in awhile.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 9):

Yeah, I keep forgetting about US and HP having different fleet

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:23 am

If US can have a current fleet of 43 domestic 757s, then they can also have a new fleet of 50 739ERs without causing problems. 40-50 seems to be the magic number for narrowbody fleets at large airlines where it's no longer an oddball and becomes it's own viable type that doesn't rely on commonality with other fleet types for profits. If the 739ER proves more capable, why not use it on the 1500nm+ routes US flies and their A321s on the 1500nm- routes?

One also has to consider pilot training here, as the 739ER has more in common with the 757 than does the A321, and moving pilots to the 739ER from the 757 also means they can cycle around with the 737 classics, and those pilots can cycle into the 739ER fleet.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:27 am

I don't think either is the answer for the HNL routes and certainly not for Europe. All this would do is free up the 757s to fly those dedicated routes and little else. I've heard a lot of talk about how the 321 doesn't perform well on transcon flights...does the 737-900ER have the same issues? How about the -800ER as an alternative?
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:33 am

So US has 43 757's total, or is this just the number that do domestic runs?
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
If US can have a current fleet of 43 domestic 757s, then they can also have a new fleet of 50 739ERs without causing problems. 40-50 seems to be the magic number for narrowbody fleets at large airlines where it's no longer an oddball and becomes it's own viable type that doesn't rely on commonality with other fleet types for profits

Don't forget that the 757 shares commonality with the 767 fleet. It adds slightly to the number. There's no doubt that with the right incentives, the -900ER could enter the fleet. But commonality does help keep cost down. Is there room for another sim in the CLT training center, for example? Already can put pilots in a 321 sim. And I'm going out on a limb and assuming the 350 will share commonality as well. The -900s share no commonality with the classic 737's from the former HP. The only issue is hot weather performance from PHX and LAS. If a 321 can get out to Hawaii, thats where my money goes. Boeing doesn't have to give product away right now to make the sale. Seems to me that US has weight restrictions on the 757 fleet on hot days for Hawaii flights, so it may not be a deal breaker anyway.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:41 am

I think the current 73s are being replaced as well. Scott said a wide and narrow body replacement. He said the DOMESTIC 757s will also be replaced with either 321s or 739s. Maybe if they replace the 75s with 739s, the 73s will be replaced with 736, 737, or 738s.

Doug said US has nothing against Boeing and that he is excited to work with them for replacements.
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:42 am

doesn't US fly 733s? wouldn't that solve the commonality issue? I mean A 733 pilot can fly a 739ER with a min training. which should mean that US should have simulators and other things..right?
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 6):
It's performance range/speed/fuel burn look to be much better on paper than the A321.

On paper, they don't really look to be any different.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 15):
If a 321 can get out to Hawaii, thats where my money goes.

Nah. The 757 will be the plane of choice on Hawaii anyway until that plane can no longer fly.

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Korg747 (Reply 17):
doesn't US fly 733s? wouldn't that solve the commonality issue? I mean A 733 pilot can fly a 739ER with a min training. which should mean that US should have simulators and other things..right?

733 and 734s are classics, 739 is a NG. I don't think they share commonality.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 18):
Nah. The 757 will be the plane of choice on Hawaii anyway until that plane can no longer fly.

I agree, especially now that the winglets are coming on line. The last 757s in the fleet will be flying to Hawaii.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:53 am

I've heard that the 757s are weight restricted certain days flying out to Hawaii, and some passengers are rebooked on other flights through LAX. So, not sure an A321 would be able to handle LAS/PHX to Hawaii. Can a 737-900ER do it?
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 20):
I've heard that the 757s are weight restricted certain days flying out to Hawaii,

They have been, not sure how much the new winglets will improve the situation. I believe someone (Aviation Partners?) is developing 737 type winglets for the A320 family. That might solve the problem.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 19):
733 and 734s are classics, 739 is a NG. I don't think they share commonality.

One goal of the NG program was to maintain commonality where possible. From a pilot's persepctive, that means minimal training (I believe you have a common type rating). On the MX side of things, someone from an operator like CO or WN can probably shed more details.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 19):
733 and 734s are classics, 739 is a NG. I don't think they share commonality.

Well, they are the same type rating. Southwest pilots fly both the 73G and the classics.

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 20):
So, not sure an A321 would be able to handle LAS/PHX to Hawaii. Can a 737-900ER do it?

The A321 and 737-900ER are roughly comparable frames and neither is as capable of the 757.

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 20):
So, not sure an A321 would be able to handle LAS/PHX to Hawaii. Can a 737-900ER do it?

I bet the 739ER will be anything but a stellar hot-and-high performer. So if the A321 can't do it, I'm fairly sure the 739ER can't either.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:15 am

Range in typical 2-class 180 pax w/ 2 aux tanks for 737-9ER is 3200nm (5925km)
Range in typical 2-class 185 pax w aux tanks for A321 is 3000nm (5550km)

Also i assume that since the 737-9er is 10,000lbs lighter that it can carry more. Speed wise i couldnt find airbus' facts on that.

I'm aware that this is a different airplane but ive actually followed two usair flights. A320 from SFO-PHL and B757 from LAX-PHL leaving at the same time. It's amazing how the 757 reached altitude quicker and would reach PHL way before the A321 flight Like i said I know the 757 and 737-9 are different birds but performance wise they seem pretty close.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 25):
Like i said I know the 757 and 737-9 are different birds but performance wise they seem pretty close.

I'm still missing this. The 757 is larger, features between 20 and 30,000 pounds more thrust, flies as much as 800nm further.

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 26):
I'm still missing this. The 757 is larger, features between 20 and 30,000 pounds more thrust, flies as much as 800nm further



i mean speed etc im aware there is more range/thrust. but my point is the 737-9er is closer to the big brother in perfomance than the a320. Climb (fpm), speed, etc.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:38 am

If only Boeing had designed the 737NG series with taller landing gear(like the 320s) so they could have put the larger CFM's or V2500's. The 737 series surely would have been a much better replacement to the 757. If only...  eyebrow 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 26):
I'm still missing this. The 757 is larger, features between 20 and 30,000 pounds more thrust, flies as much as 800nm further.

As usual, it depends on the mission. Looking at the load/range charts the 757-200 is good for about 44000lb payload over 3500nm; the 737-900ER with winglets about 35000lb over 3500nm.

The -900ER with winglets seems to have a useful edge over the 321. The load/range tables show about 54000lb pay load over 2500nm with about an 84t TOW. The 321 achieves about 50000lb over 2500nm with a 93.5t TOW.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:07 am

i dont understand, why does the A321 have such bad problems in the summer here?
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 20):
I've heard that the 757s are weight restricted certain days flying out to Hawaii, and some passengers are rebooked on other flights through LAX. So, not sure an A321 would be able to handle LAS/PHX to Hawaii. Can a 737-900ER do it?

The A321 / 739ER won't have to fly to HI, thats what the 757 is for. These new aircraft are being ordered to free up 757s from shorter domestic hops so they can expand longer range markets such as Europe and HI
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:13 am

Although i thought US would go airbus, maybe they'll go for the 739!
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 19):
733 and 734s are classics, 739 is a NG. I don't think they share commonality.

They require differences training to be able to fly both, but they are both on a common type-rating. The differences training for the 737 Classic to the 737 NG from what I understand is pretty simple.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Mu2 (Thread starter):
Whatever one they choose will replace the domestic 757's.

While I don't doubt this statement the 757 compared to the 737-900ER and A321 is really apples to oranges isn't it? Last fall (autumn) we took a US 757 from PHL to LIS. I don't either of these two "replacements" as capable of that mission.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 11):
Well given your handle, I'd assume you aren't that good at math anyway! GO BROWNS! hehehehehehe

Hey, well at least I'm not studying to be a physicist or anything!  Wink

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 23):
Well, they are the same type rating. Southwest pilots fly both the 73G and the classics.

True, but when I think of 737 classics, I think of the 731s and 732s (which really are not flying anymore) Eh, I think I would consider the 733s 734s and -500s to be the classics now. The 737-ngs are more advanced pieces of machinery; more sophisticated than the 733s/4s/and 737-500s. Right?

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 23):
The A321 and 737-900ER are roughly comparable frames and neither is as capable of the 757.

Very true, especially regarding the ranges of the mentioned aircraft. If I were to rank the aircraft regarding range, it would be A321, followed by the 739, then the 757. Pax loads, the A321 and 739 are almost identical. The 757 has a seating capacity, IIRC, of 20-30 more people than the 739...
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:06 am

Quote:
While I don't doubt this statement the 757 compared to the 737-900ER and A321 is really apples to oranges isn't it? Last fall (autumn) we took a US 757 from PHL to LIS. I don't either of these two "replacements" as capable of that mission.

No, he said the leases are coming up on the domestic 75s and they are going to FedEx. This will be all replacement aircraft. The only groth will be, well nevermind I don't want this to turn into a "US Goes To China" thread.

[Edited 2007-03-08 00:11:18]

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 30):
i dont understand, why does the A321 have such bad problems in the summer here?

The A321 is a stretched A320 with (basically) the same powerplant. Add summer heat and the plane can't get off the ground as easily. The more thrust you can get the easier it is to get off the ground, hence why the 757s are better to use for flights to the east coast from Vegas and Phoenix.
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 13):
I don't think either is the answer for the HNL routes and certainly not for Europe. All this would do is free up the 757s to fly those dedicated routes and little else. I've heard a lot of talk about how the 321 doesn't perform well on transcon flights...does the 737-900ER have the same issues? How about the -800ER as an alternative?

I think the OP stated that this order was to replace domestic 757's, thus this excludes the Eurpoean fleet and maybe even the ETOPS gear to Hawaii, but who knows for certain.
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 23):
Well, they are the same type rating. Southwest pilots fly both the 73G and the classics.

IIRC, WN configured the gauges on their 73Gs to display data much like the older "steam" gauges on the 732, 733, and 735 did, which helped made this possible.

Personally, I hope that US goes with the 739ER. It may be a little bit of an oddball in the fleet once the 737 Classics and the 757s are retired, but it's the only aircraft currently in production that can somewhat compete with the 757-200.
 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 21):
Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 20):
I've heard that the 757s are weight restricted certain days flying out to Hawaii,

They have been, not sure how much the new winglets will improve the situation. I believe someone (Aviation Partners?) is developing 737 type winglets for the A320 family. That might solve the problem.

Airbus did a development program and determined that the weight added mitigated any aerodynamic gains on the existing A320 airfoil, and furthermore said that they needed further data on how the weight would impact the structure of the aircraft... so no dice on the winglet fix...

Quoting A342 (Reply 24):
Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 20):
So, not sure an A321 would be able to handle LAS/PHX to Hawaii. Can a 737-900ER do it?

I bet the 739ER will be anything but a stellar hot-and-high performer. So if the A321 can't do it, I'm fairly sure the 739ER can't either.

The 737-900ER has slightly better performance in this regard, but not appreciably.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:07 am

I have a weird question. I wonder if pay for the -900 will be close to 757 domestic pay? Most airlines seat 189 in 2-class on 757s. the 2-class seating on 73-900 is about the same.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):

I agree with you and I hope they do too. How many 757's will US have when the leases are up? I think the 739 will win.

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 37):
The A321 is a stretched A320 with (basically) the same powerplant.

Well, the A321 also has revised flaps just like the 737-900ER does. The A321 also features 33,000 pounds of installed thrust per wing.

The 737-900ER has the same installed thrust as most 737-800s, 27k pounds.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 40):
The 737-900ER has slightly better performance in this regard, but not appreciably.

I don't see how. As mentioned, the 737-900ER is larger and heavier than the 737-800 but has little but revised flaps to get it off the ground. The A321 combats the problem with flaps and additional installed thrust. I would concur neither of them could make Hawaii, but we'd have to see for sure.

I would be interested in seeing some of the data, however. Little is known of the operational capabilities of the 737-900ER since only the one (few?) are in service.

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:33 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 6):
It's performance range/speed/fuel burn look to be much better on paper than the A321.

Performance, Range and Fuel burn for the 739ER will all be lower, but the A321 will likely cruise a bit faster or about the same. Besides, no one cares about speed

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 7):
What about the ETOPS aircraft such as the 757's to Hawaii? I believe the 737-900ER will work but the 321 may have range/payloads problems? This has been debated back and forth but I seem to recall the 321 would have problems on hot days out of PHX and LAS?

The 739ER and the A321 would have essentially no chance to make it to Hawai'i in the Summer from LAS or PHX, not to mention that the A321s would have to add ETOPS certification anyway

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 8):
It might be the first time in a while for the old US, but HP was no stranger to Boeing.

HP has also been taking only Airbus for quite a while now.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
If US can have a current fleet of 43 domestic 757s, then they can also have a new fleet of 50 739ERs without causing problems.

They have a fleet of 43 total 757s, not 43 domestic ones. Add that to the fact that they already fly a very large A320 Family fleet generally and A321 fleet more specifically and the 739ER doesn't make much sense at all.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 13):
I don't think either is the answer for the HNL routes and certainly not for Europe. All this would do is free up the 757s to fly those dedicated routes and little else

Ding Ding Ding. You win

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 13):
How about the -800ER as an alternative?

Range-wise, the 738 would be fine. The point is to have capacity come reasonably close to the 757.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 13):
I've heard a lot of talk about how the 321 doesn't perform well on transcon flights...does the 737-900ER have the same issues?

See, that would all depend. The A321 does fine on a route like PHL-LAX because LAX isn't hot or high. In fact, Standard Day is based on conditions at LAX which is basically at sea level and is quite temperate all year round. On a 110 degree day in Phoenix or Las Vegas, things change a lot.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 15):
Don't forget that the 757 shares commonality with the 767 fleet. It adds slightly to the number

It shares cockpit commonality, but that is about where the similarities end.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 19):
733 and 734s are classics, 739 is a NG. I don't think they share commonality.

Yes they do. They share complete cockpit commonality to the point that a type rating carries for the whole series from the -300 to the -900.

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 20):
I've heard that the 757s are weight restricted certain days flying out to Hawaii

I really doubt that.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 26):
Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 25):
Like i said I know the 757 and 737-9 are different birds but performance wise they seem pretty close.

I'm still missing this. The 757 is larger, features between 20 and 30,000 pounds more thrust, flies as much as 800nm further.

Neil is completely correct. The performance doesn't even compare.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 27):
i mean speed etc

Speed? First, airlines really don't give a flying frick about speed as long as the flight is economical, particularly when talking about distances under 3000nm. Second, The 757 cruises an average of .03M faster than the 737.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 27):
but my point is the 737-9er is closer to the big brother in perfomance than the a320.

The A320 or the A321? In any case, none of those aircraft even come close to what the 757 can do. There is absolutely no point to comparing them unless you are talking capacity, which is only 6-10 seats difference or costs within the performance band of the 739 or A321.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 28):
If only Boeing had designed the 737NG series with taller landing gear(like the 320s) so they could have put the larger CFM's or V2500's.

First, the V2500 would have never gne on the 737NG because Boeing signed an exclusivity contract with CFM for the CFM56. Second, the 737NG uses a more advanced version of the CFM56 than the A320 Family does, which incorporates some similar technology to the V2500 allowing lower fuel burn on the CFM56-7 series as well as having lower engine weight.

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 29):
The -900ER with winglets

All 739ERs will come standard with winglets

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 30):
i dont understand, why does the A321 have such bad problems in the summer here?

Because Las Vegas averages 104 degrees in July and is over 2000 feet above sea level. Phoenix is lower but even hotter and has a shorter runway that LAS, which means it runs into similar problems.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 33):
They require differences training to be able to fly both

It is marginal

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 37):
The A321 is a stretched A320 with (basically) the same powerplant.

It has more thrust

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 39):
IIRC, WN configured the gauges on their 73Gs to display data much like the older "steam" gauges on the 732, 733, and 735 did, which helped made this possible.

That takes a laptop and 1 hour to do, and any airline can do it. Further, even with non-steam gauge style readouts, the aircraft still share a common type rating. The reconfiguration software just shortens the differences training time.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 41):
Most airlines seat 189 in 2-class on 757s. the 2-class seating on 73-900 is about the same.

Real 2 class seating on both the 739ER and A321 runs about 6-10 fewer seats than on the 752.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 44):
All 739ERs will come standard with winglets

Not true, sir.

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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:40 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 45):
Not true, sir.

Since when. All the Boeing press I have read on the aircraft has shown pictures with winglets only and stated that the aircraft would come standard with them.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:41 am

 
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 46):
Since when. All the Boeing press I have read on the aircraft has shown pictures with winglets only and stated that the aircraft would come standard with them.

I thought I had heard that somewhere as well.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 44):
It is marginal

I know. It's quite simple differences training, as I mentioned.
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RE: US Taking RFP For 737-900ER

Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:51 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 47):
"Optional Blended Winglets"

I wonder if that is a typo, or if they just changed their tune.
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