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Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:12 pm



Can anyone positively identify this type of aircraft? It is flying into St. Maartin.
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:56 pm

The photo is very poor but it looks very much like a US Airways CRJ
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:08 pm

Thanks Phil, but how can you tell the airline?
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:29 pm

Isn't US the only regular user of CRJs into St Maarten? Could be another airline but the odds are in favour of US
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:32 pm

There is nothing in the photo database for US air CRJs at SMX. But that does not mean they don't fly there. Just looking for some photo proof.
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:18 pm

Could be a Bombardier Challenger Jet
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:23 pm

Not to be picky or a jerk, but if you searched for SMX, that's the wrong airport...SXM is St. Maarten.

Tend to agree with you though...I only looked through the last few months, but no CRJ's at SXM.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:31 pm

I typed SMX in my post, but I searched for St. Maarten in the database. No CRJs.
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:34 pm

So we have a mystery. As far as I can tell, nobody flies CRJs into SXM, yet this cockpit appears to be of a CRJ.
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:36 pm

Sorry, "Isn't" should have been "Wasn't" as Mesa, who operated the US Airways Express flights in the Caribbean withdrew the CRJs as EMB145s were delivered from 2002 onwards.

If the shot is newer than 2003 then I can't help with the airline - it could even be a Challenger in that case.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:54 pm

PHILb, after doing some photo comparisons of the cockpits, I have come to the conclusion that is it a Challenger, not a CRJ. But that begs the same the question, who flies Challengers into SXM?
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:59 pm

Most likely a chartered Canadair Challenger.
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:03 am

Just about anyone with a Challenger wishing to avail of the duty free advantages of Philipsburg, the private beaches of the classier hotels or who has their own property on St Maarten or the adjacent islands.

Out of interest, what leads you to the conclusion that it is a Challenger?
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:29 am

The EFIS displays are all flush with each other in line, on the Challengers. On the CRJs, they are not. I found no exception to that rule in the photo database. There were other common elements as well between the mystery photo and the Challengers, not found in any photo of a CRJ. I put the photo into PhotoShop and brightened it up to see the details.
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:51 am

Thanks. Have you a URL for the photo?
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:55 am

Just right click on the photo for the photo properties. Or you can just save it from this thread and put it into your photoshop. Enlarge it and brighten it and increase the contrast.

[Edited 2007-03-11 18:03:27]
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:24 am

Silly really, I knew from the layout of the top of the instrument panel coving that it was a Canadair, didn't look at the EFIS half hidden under the logo which would have given it away at once.

Just in passing, I was at St Maarten as the EMB145s were being introduced in early 2002 - hadn't realised until today that they totally replaced the CRJs. Got some lovely photos of brand new EMBs but the days I went to the airport it was all EMBs, the days I was doing the "tourist bit" the CRJs arrived.

From what I've read this afternoon, the US Airways Express flights to St Maarten seem to have finished in 2005 when Mesa left US Airways as part of the chapter 11 arrangements.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:29 am

Where did the photo go?
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:51 am

Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it just looks like a big Tylenol.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:03 am

It's a Challenger 604... No doubt about it...
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:44 am

Most definately a challenger 604......................
 
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:10 pm

Yep, CL604 and no doubt absolutely about it


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Check the switches along the F/O's top part of the panel, its a Challenger.

As a side note, notice the imprinted date, that suggests it was a pilot taking a photo for memorabilia and not a die hard spotter, which in Biz Jet's, specially in SXM, occurs a lot. When I was at the Sunset Beach Bar, I met a couple of Biz Jet pilots taking photos of aircraft landing there and asking me I had caught the plane the day before of them landing, which unfortunately I had not. Some pilots still enjoy their jobs at the max, some just do it like a plain job.

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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:21 am

Phil, do you have any idea why the CRJs were replaced with EMB145s?

It could be that the photo was taken by a flight attendant on the biz jet. I suppose some private jets might have attendants to look after the VIPs. I would think the pilots would be concentrating quite intensely at that moment of final approach.
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RE: Can Anyone Tell Me What Aircraft This Is?

Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 22):
Phil, do you have any idea why the CRJs were replaced with EMB145s?

Mesa operated the St Maarten flights for US Airways Express and ordered EMBs for its fleet in addition to the CRJ 200s.

In late 2001 they signed a deal with America West to provide jet commuter aircraft to serve the Phoenix hub with a commitment to provide CRJ 700 and 900 aircraft in course of time.

The CRJs were moved from the US East Coast and Caribbean to the West, as the EMBs arrived, to serve in the interim as America West preferred the CRJ..

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