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The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:38 pm

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but I was wondering what the longest route served by the 763ER was, and who was operating it. I know EVA is operating theirs across the Pacific, but i don't know if that is the longest route.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:41 pm

Alitalia flies it in the route Milan Malpensa - Shangai which is 12 hours
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:43 pm

What's the endurance of a 763ER?? maybe 13 hours?
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:43 pm

Aeroflot flies 763ER Los Angeles - Moscow nonstop over the atlantic.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:21 pm

euroAtlantic airways operates their B767-300ER from Milan to Camaguey about 11 hrs.
Blue Panorama operates them from Milan to Nagoya.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 2):
What's the endurance of a 763ER?? maybe 13 hours?

Max Endurance is close to 13.5 hours

Moscow-Los Angeles is probably the longest sector at 5281 nm.

Maximum range for the 767-300ER is 6100 NM.


Average ground speed of 400 knots
When calculated with an average headwind of 60 knots, at 13 hours comes out to almost 800nm air distance.

5281nm + 800 nm which is almost 6100 nm.

So, the longest route is Moscow-Los Angeles which takes 13.5 hours. I do believe that during the winter months Aeroflot probably has had to make some fuel stops on the route due to strong headwinds.

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:45 pm

at one stage Lauda I think did either SIN-VIE and BKK-VIE as part of their Australian flights. Same with LH.

Austrian still do HKT-VIE.

These must be looong flights
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Thread starter):
but I was wondering what the longest route served by the 763ER was

From To Initial Heading Distance
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) 49° (NE) 4403 nm
MXP (45°37'50"N 08°43'41"E) KIX (34°25'38"N 135°14'39"E) 41° (NE) 5206 nm
LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) SVO (55°58'22"N 37°24'53"E) 13° (N) 5281 nm
MXP (45°37'50"N 08°43'41"E) NGO (34°51'30"N 136°48'19"E) 40° (NE) 5228 nm

Looks like LAX-SVO by 53 nm

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 7):
Looks like LAX-SVO by 53 nm

Remember, although i say its a longer by ground distance, air distance wise due to higher headwinds other routes can be longer durations which is a better way of looking at range.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:00 pm

Quoting Dirkou (Reply 4):
Blue Panorama operates them from Milan to Nagoya.

I think this was a one time charter flight. But certainly a long flight at 5228nm (11hr 21min).


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Aeroflots's SVO-LAX is 5281nm (11hrs28min)
TPE-LAX nonstop with a 767-300ER would be 5908nm. Just a little less than the max. HUGE PENALTIES ME THINKS.

Boeing states that the range of a 767-300ER is 6105nm. But DL states 6400nm.
Makes me wonder what DL might do out of LAX to Asia...

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:18 pm

Didnt Dl have a 767 I assume repo flight from mco to mia ,and for a short time had a 777 on it..lol what is it 150 nm
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:54 pm

Longest 763-ER flight i have been on is PER-AKL, but that is nothing compared to some of the other posts.

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:47 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 10):
Didnt Dl have a 767 I assume repo flight from mco to mia ,and for a short time had a 777 on it..lol what is it 150 nm

There are some short 767 and 777 flights especially for Repositioning

DL ATL-JFK-BOM (I believe its DL 16)

DL also has flights from ATL down to florida on their 767's which is only about a one hour flight.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 6):
at one stage Lauda I think did either SIN-VIE and BKK-VIE as part of their Australian flights

This was two years ago, when the B777 went into the MX.
It was the VIE-SIN-MEL flight that operated with B763ER,


VIE (48°06'37"N 16°34'11"E) SIN (01°21'01"N 103°59'40"E) 90° (E) 5241 nm


but as I understand it, it carried a significant payload penalty on the westbound sector...
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:10 pm

Just out of curiosity, how long is flyglobespan's Manchester-Cape Town?

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:26 pm

Until sometime last year, NZ flies 763 non-stop between AKL-HKG, KIX-CHC, which are pretty long trips.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 14):
Just out of curiosity, how long is flyglobespan's Manchester-Cape Town?

5336 NM

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 8):
Remember, although i say its a longer by ground distance, air distance wise due to higher headwinds other routes can be longer durations which is a better way of looking at range.

While this is completly true, that information is simply not available or easily available to most of us. GC distances are and are relatively accurate, certainly when comparing two routes. They also don't reflect the true (airways) distance but the same applies, both routes compared are likly to have the same level of accuracy.

So while I agree that GC distances are only a guide, they are a good guide and the best easily avaible to most of us.

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:54 pm

while I assume that you meant longest non-stop route , I do remember BY running their seasonal charter flights to New Zealand ( 8 abreast in economy !!!) in the late 1990s which routed something like LGW-AUH-BTM-TSV-AKL and pax had to by a through ticket - stopovers were not permitted .( I think pax were permitted to get off the a/c during the transits and stretch their legs) can't say that it ever appealed to me . Can't remember whether they were -200ERs or -300ERs - can anyone shed some light on this ?
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:31 pm

what about ATH - ATL ?

5700 mi according to great cricle mapper

DL uses a 763 ER on the route

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:33 pm

sorry , had it calculated in mi instead of nm.
in nm its only 4954
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:01 pm

Here's what I got for AC YYZ - TLV. YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) TLV (32°00'41"N 34°53'12"E) 50° (NE) 5030 nm
AC's longest serving route using B767-300ER
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:02 pm

So GSM's MAN-CPT is the longest.

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:47 pm

CP and AC have both used 763s on YYZ-NRT in the winter (low season). That has to take the cake at 5574nm.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:47 pm

ET's ADD-FCO-IAD on the 763 is almost 18 hours. Even if it's not non-stop passengers don't get off in FCO so it is a long time to sit on the 763
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 7):
SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) 49° (NE) 4403 nm

I thought this would be one of the longest...

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 7):
MXP (45°37'50"N 08°43'41"E) KIX (34°25'38"N 135°14'39"E) 41° (NE) 5206 nm
LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) SVO (55°58'22"N 37°24'53"E) 13° (N) 5281 nm
MXP (45°37'50"N 08°43'41"E) NGO (34°51'30"N 136°48'19"E) 40° (NE) 5228 nm

...until I saw all of these!

As great as the 763 is, I'd happily opt for a 777 or 744 on any of those routes.


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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:07 pm

The longest I can think of apart from Britannia's service to New Zealand mentioned above would be the Air China service to Sao Paulo via Madrid, although I believe that's been upgraded to an A332 now from the 763ER.

PEK-MAD = 4982nm
MAD-GRU = 4512nm

TOTAL = 9493nm


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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting Waleckdaddy (Reply 3):
Aeroflot flies 763ER Los Angeles - Moscow nonstop over the atlantic.

you mean Arctic?

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
Maximum range for the 767-300ER is 6100 NM.

Surely not with much payload!.. Any info on restrictions?

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
do remember BY running their seasonal charter flights to New Zealand ( 8 abreast in economy !!!) in the late 1990s which routed something like LGW-AUH-BTM-TSV-AKL and pax had to by a through ticket - stopovers were not permitted

Auuuucchh!!!  crowded 

But oh well, apart from a stopover in DXB and some good IFE, I guess it's not any worse than doing Europe-NZ with EK in a T7..

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:33 pm

AM 5 MEX-CDG sometimes varies on equipment but it is sometimes 763. I think it mostly alternates 762-777
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:55 pm

I have always heard, (sadly I have no experience onboard a 767) that the 767's were one of the most favored planes of all planes from a passenger standpoint because of the 2x3x2 seating arrangments. Can anyone verify this. I would surely rather be in a 767 w/ 2x3x2 seating than a 777 w/ 2x5x2 or 3x4x3 or even an A330 w/ 3x3x3.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
I have always heard, (sadly I have no experience onboard a 767) that the 767's were one of the most favored planes of all planes from a passenger standpoint because of the 2x3x2 seating arrangments. Can anyone verify this.

I've heard so as well

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
I would surely rather be in a 767 w/ 2x3x2 seating than a 777 w/ 2x5x2 or 3x4x3 or even an A330 w/ 3x3x3.

Hmm.. apples and oranges.. 2x3x2 should be compared to 3x3x3 in a T7 or 2-4-2 in a 330/340.. I think most would agree with you on the above.. but if you throw in 2x4x2 in a 767, it's very different..

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:09 am

2x4x2 in a 767!!!! Thats ludicrous. who operates a 2x4x2 in a 767?? While I don't doubt that some airlines would fly with that configuration, thats crazy to do so.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
So, the longest route is Moscow-Los Angeles which takes 13.5 hours. I do believe that during the winter months Aeroflot probably has had to make some fuel stops on the route due to strong headwinds.

SVO-LAX is more of a polar route than transatlantic, as it almost goes completely North of Greenland. Are the headwinds as strong that far north? The reason I ask is because I haven't heard of SU having to fuel stop on the LAX flight. I wouldn't be surprised if it has westbound payload restrictions however.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):

Boeing states that the range of a 767-300ER is 6105nm. But DL states 6400nm.
Makes me wonder what DL might do out of LAX to Asia...

Somewhat joked a while back about adding drop tanks to the 763ER's... Or maybe they can use those portable rocket engines like some of the military transports to get off the ground at weights over MTOW  Wink
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:19 am

AC flight from SCL to YYZ = 11h and 10 minutes.

CA flight from BJS to MAD = 12h and 45 minutes.

MD flight from TNR to CDG = 11h and 10 minutes

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:31 am

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:26 am

AC does YVR-SYD with a 767 that stops in HNL, but don't they fly the SYD-YVR route non-stop because of more favourable winds? Correct me if I'm wrong. My wife and I prefer 767s for long flights because of 2-3-2 seating arrangement; especially if you get those two aisle/window seats.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 35):
AC does YVR-SYD with a 767 that stops in HNL, but don't they fly the SYD-YVR route non-stop because of more favourable winds?

Nope, the return flight stops in HNL as well. The HNL stopover will be ancient history when AC rolls out the 777 on its YVR route in the not too distant future.


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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:45 am

RG was flying LAX-GRU on a 763 at one point. This route is 5350 nm.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:33 am

The longest 'route' served by the 763ER is DL's ATL-JNB...I think. The longest non-stop is something else.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:37 am

Last year when the war in Lebanon started, DL operated a 763ER LCA-ATL nonstop. It was a one-time flight to help evacuate people fleeing the war but at 5430nm and flying westbound it certainly pushed the limits. Flight was full but presumably didn't have cargo to speak of.

DL's longest regularly scheduled 763ER flight is currently ATL-ATH at 4954nm. That will change this year as ATL-LOS starts in December on a 763ER and is 5078nm. Rumored expansion to East Asia from the west coast and the possibility of a winglet kit could see even longer 763ER flights.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 31):
2x4x2 in a 767!!!! Thats ludicrous. who operates a 2x4x2 in a 767??

Britannia did...from UK to New Zealand. I once flew to Spain in one and that was enough for me!
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 21):
Here's what I got for AC YYZ - TLV. YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) TLV (32°00'41"N 34°53'12"E) 50° (NE) 5030 nm
AC's longest serving route using B767-300ER

That definitely is the current longest 763 route AC operates. A few years back (2003 or 2004), through the slower winter period AC operated a 763 between YYZ & NRT. It was a question of utilizing this aircraft or seasonally suspending the flight. The flight was load restricted by approximately 20Y seats. That was a loooooong flight on that aircraft.

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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Scott0305 (Reply 40):
Britannia did...from UK to New Zealand. I once flew to Spain in one and that was enough for me!

This cant a been non stop though
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:30 am

MP used to fly AMS-PVR, 5124NM. Westbound with a fuelstop and crewchange in either YYZ or YMX, eastbound nonstop. It used to be fun talking to Chicago Center along the way. They had no idea who we were, where we came from and where we were going.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 35):
AC does YVR-SYD with a 767 that stops in HNL, but don't they fly the SYD-YVR route non-stop because of more favourable winds? Correct me if I'm wrong. My wife and I prefer 767s for long flights because of 2-3-2 seating arrangement; especially if you get those two aisle/window seats.

You're probably thinking of the winter sked, when AC switches this route to an A340, which used to do the return leg non-stop.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 27):
Quoting Waleckdaddy (Reply 3):
Aeroflot flies 763ER Los Angeles - Moscow nonstop over the atlantic.

you mean Arctic?

Yes, it is over the arctic, but that could imply a flight over either ocean... I just wanted to hint the dirrection it was going.

Also, Doesn't NZ operate 763ER nonstop service LAX - AKL? I'm not sure of the milage, but I know that is a hell of a flight for a six-seven - maybe even longer than the LA - Moscow I mentioned earlier.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 39):
Rumored expansion to East Asia from the west coast and the possibility of a winglet kit could see even longer 763ER flights.

HEAR YE!

Those who say the 767 is history have no idea how much that model will continue to shape int'l air travel.

other than speed, there is nothing from a passenger perspective that is different from a 767 and a 777. A 767 can be equipped with comparable seats and amenities.... having a wider or taller cabin doesn't really mean much, esp. if there aer more people on the plane... the aisles are of a similar size so it's simply a question of how many people there are on either side of the aisles and how far you are from the front door. aircraft size doesn't translate into greater comfort or better service.

YYZNRT would have to be one of the longest 763 flights....El Al operates a 762 on TLVMIA which is less than 200 miles farther.
 
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:49 am

are there serious thoughts of retrofitting 763ER's w/winglets or how bout the raked wingtips of the 764ER. Could they do that and get a few hundred more miles out of the 763ER?? Now that would be cool.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:50 am

2X4X2 in a 767 must have around

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 46):
other than speed, there is nothing from a passenger perspective that is different from a 767 and a 777. A 767 can be equipped with comparable seats and amenities.... having a wider or taller cabin doesn't really mean much, esp. if there aer more people on the plane... the aisles are of a similar size so it's simply a question of how many people there are on either side of the aisles and how far you are from the front door. aircraft size doesn't translate into greater comfort or better service.

Plus, there are 6 middle(-like) seats on the 773, and only one on the 763.
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RE: The Longest Route Served By The 767-300ER

Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 41):
Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 21):
Here's what I got for AC YYZ - TLV. YYZ (43�40'38"N 79�37'50"W) TLV (32�00'41"N 34�53'12"E) 50� (NE) 5030 nm
AC's longest serving route using B767-300ER

That definitely is the current longest 763 route AC operates.

Although TLV-YYZ is slightly further, AC's longest current 763 nonstop in terms of scheduled flight time is YVR-PVG (4879 nm) scheduled for 12:30 westbound, 5 minutes longer than TLV-YYZ westbound.

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