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A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:17 pm
by kaitak
Welcome one and all to the new Irish aviation thread, 13/07!

It's been an interesting week, what with the Aer Lingus results and discussion about the new EI long haul fleet (some of it on a different thread!).

It's probably not an understatement to say that this week will see one of the most important developments in Aer Lingus's history, with the EU finally about to vote on the Open Skies deal. Aer Lingus now seems to be in serious preparation mode for this; it seems clear that SFO is on the list, as are MCO and either IAD/DFW. Bertie's in Washington this week, discussing with GB what happens if the Brits mess things up with a veto, but let's hope it doesn't come to this.

There's a lot to look forward to once this happens; remember the three cities listed above won't be the last and you can expect to see a significant expansion in long haul traffic; let's hope EI can finally reach its potential on long haul routes, and that it looks east and south as well as west.

So, what else has been happening, or is likely to happen soon? Well, Sunday week sees the start of the Summer season (25th May), so we should see quite a few new routes; FR has already started its routes; EI loses Bristol, but will be gaining Athens, Santiago and Vilnius during the course of the Summer season.

Perhaps the major problem on the horizon is DUB airport. It really is going to cause problems next Summer, but at least there will be more long haul parking stands. It is still going to be a zoo and I can see lots of delays and stress for pax. And of course, things aren't being helped by FR and its threats against T2.

All in all, should be an interesting few weeks ahead ...

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:07 am
by ei2ksea
Im going to jump in with an early question. A friend of mine and myself were browsing YouTube last night and I noticed the EI "This is not just an airline" ad, not the late 80s one with the "Your Home" slogan (ironic because back then if you used EI then chances were you actually were going home and probably broke - now its more like "Your....on the Fifth Holiday of the Year"). We had a heated debate about what year it must have been from. It had to be pre-Willie Walsh so pre-2001. I did work experience with EI in 1999 and I think it was around March 1999 - My friend swears he has no memories prior to 2004 due to an over-eager college drinking career.

Can anyone enlighten us?!

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:17 am
by shamrock350
You were close EI2KSEA, it was actually 1998.

Quote:
By the 1970s 'Look up, it's Aer Lingus' captured the mood, while 10 years later in the midst of a fresh emigration wave 'You're home' created a sense of being back in Ireland the minute someone got on board an Aer Lingus plane. By 1998, 'Appearance' with people morphing from businessmen into explorers showed how far we had come and how much Aer Lingus was spending on advertising.

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2001/01/07/story697869928.asp

It was very expensive and it's a real shame we dont see them anymore but the amount of money adverts must cost now probably put EI off making big ones.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:24 am
by steeler83
Aye laddies! Care if I participate in this???

I hope that the US-EU open skies agreement becomes a reality. These stupid amendments that limit competition and capitalism are a thing of the past. We live in a world of capitalism, not monopolies. I would like to see EI have a bigger presence here in the states. Don't they have plans to enter the PHL market? (I would love for EI to serve PIT, well... any international airline for that matter, but it isn't happening in this lifetime I guess at the rate it's going. I will settle for PHL service.)

What about Ryanair, I guess a US-EU agreement would not affect them any unless they plan on going international, which I highly doubt...

Happy St. Patricks Day!!!

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:31 am
by shamrock350
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
What about Ryanair, I guess a US-EU agreement would not affect them any unless they plan on going international, which I highly doubt...

MOL has always said that long-haul does not match the FR business model but with MOL you never know what he might do!

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:42 am
by ei2ksea
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
Don't they have plans to enter the PHL market? (I would love for EI to serve PIT, well... any international airline for that matter, but it isn't happening in this lifetime I guess at the rate it's going. I will settle for PHL service.)

PHL has definitely been mentioned lately - seems a surprise given US are serving it but they must see scope for both. It looks as though SFO/SJC, IAD/BWI and MCO are the front runners currently. Interestingly when Willie Walsh had the helm of EI he made a presentation at one point with his list of future EI destinations. PIT was up there in the list (as was SEA hence my alias  Smile ) but alas Im pretty sure PIT is off the radar now - shame cos there is a huge amount of Irish hanging out there and it could be a nice niche route with european connections (similar to Icelandair at Minneapolis). Incidentally its where all my 'american' Irish cousins are; spiritual home whilst over here for thanksgiving/easter - Happy Patricks Day Yins!

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:20 am
by smokeyrosco
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
international

I assume you mean intercontinental which you'd be right, in theory with increased competition across the Atlantic it should drive prices down which would enable more people to fly and more importantly directly from there home city and many americans use FR as a shuttle around Europe so it could be a good thing for FR, also France got the magic 24 points, putting Ireland second in the six nations.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:26 am
by Eirules
Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Aer Lingus now seems to be in serious preparation mode for this; it seems clear that SFO is on the list, as are MCO and either IAD/DFW

If the open skies becomes a reality could EI really push its luck and open the 3 routes to "major" airports that they have wanted to (namely SFO, MIA and DFW) as well as re-opening the routes to the secondary airports that they previously had (BWI and MCO) with the SNN requirement gone?

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:38 am
by OA260
There is alot of money to be made on the MIA route due to the huge increase in cruising vacations that the Irish now take. If EI have a agreement with a few cruise companies they could fill the aircraft on those passengers alone!!!


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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:34 am
by legacyins
Here is another blurb in today's paper regarding the SFO service.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...?f=/c/a/2007/03/17/BUG08ON54G1.DTL

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:50 am
by rineanna
Was at the Limerick parade today and was delighted to witness a flyover by one of our new AgustaWestland helicopters and four other military aircraft flying in formation. Quite the sight!

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:02 am
by OA260
Quoting Rineanna (Reply 10):
Was at the Limerick parade today and was delighted to witness a flyover by one of our new AgustaWestland helicopters and four other military aircraft flying in formation. Quite the sight!

Yeah saw it on RTE , looked impressive alright. I love Limerick , have some mates down there at the Uni. , cool place. I wouldnt have minded being down there to see the fly past. Question is Rineanna why you not out in the pubs tonight??? I bet its great craic down there .

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:20 am
by rineanna
Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
Question is Rineanna why you not out in the pubs tonight??? I bet its great craic down there .

I have literally just returned from being out ALL day (since 9am) and I've had my fair share of pubs (4) today, especially with the rugby on t.v and all. It's going to be absolute mayhem out there tonight, I'm glad i'm home before it became too bad.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
I love Limerick

Your the first person I've ever heard say that.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
looked impressive alright

It really, really was. The Agusta was amazing. It came out of the blue the first time around and caught everyone by surprise. The second time around, however, it absolutely rocketed down O' Connell st. and did a turn at the bottom. I seriously will make every effort to attend the salthill airshow this summer after seeing that. I'm not sure whether the other aircraft were the PC-9s or not.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:36 am
by OA260
Quoting Rineanna (Reply 12):
I have literally just returned from being out ALL day (since 9am)

Ok I will let you off lol....

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 12):
Your the first person I've ever heard say that.

Well everyone says that when I say it . People say stab city and all that but there are worse towns and cities in Ireland than Limerick thats for sure. I wont say which ones in case I say someones town lol... I always had a great time down there in Limerick,Bunratty and Castletroy. I used to take the EI A330 down to SNN from BFS on the A330 and do a few nights in the Fitzpatrick Bunratty hotel as it was then . Was a great trip . There was a pub called the Hairy Lemon!!!
Id love to go again sometime , it must have changed quite a bit since my last visit over 6 years ago. Love the accents also....now people are gonna think me totally crazy ...lol

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:15 pm
by shamrock350
I am a bit concerned that Aer Lingus may turn back to what it was before 9/11. Not just in terms of image but the money grabbing, high fare, average service airline that nearly disappeared. I think it's great to see the green and the image of a real national airline returning but that doesn't seem to be all that's returning. The average short-haul fare rose to €91 while Ryanair's fell to €39.

I think the unions could get in charge of EI and DM must not let them rule over EI because if it continues, fares will rise, staff numbers and costs will rise and passengers will turn elsewhere.
We are right on the edge of what could turn out to be a great year for EI but if these small issues grow and grow EI wont need those A350s/787s because they may not be around to take delivery of them!

Does anyone know how badly affected EI has been because of the snow in America? I hear one flight has been cancelled and it's stuck at JFK.

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:42 pm
by kaitak
Yes, the weather is very bad in the NY area at the moment. The EI 108 is due in at 11.59 (about 17 minutes from now, so I guess it's about 5 minutes airborne from SNN as I write this), which suggests the 104 is the delayed flight. There's also a BOS flight, EI 2134, due in at 12.13. Don't know why the odd flight number, does the "2" mean it's an extra flight or that one of the 330s has decided to go tech?

http://www.eecho.ie/news/bstory.asp?...=261161060&p=z6yy6y9z3&n=261162003

As for EI reverting to its old ways, I doubt it. True the average fare has gone up, but so have pax numbers, particularly on short haul. EI is trying to address its cost base and it currently has the second lowest costs on European flights (to FR) and also, second lowest on t/a flights (to Air India). I think EI is well aware of the danger of falling back into the old ways. It doesn't strike me as an airline looking backwards now.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:50 pm
by shamrock350
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 15):
does the "2" mean it's an extra flight or that one of the 330s has decided to go tech?

I think it means an extra flight for when one flight is cancelled.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 15):
It doesn't strike me as an airline looking backwards now

I hope your are right. Things are looking great for EI at the moment but theres lots of hard work to do and I think DM can handle it he has done a lot for the airline so far and I dont understand why people continue to say he is a bad CEO, do they want WW back so he can destroy long-haul and cheapen short-haul further! EI and DM have found a good mix of LCC and full service. I think they are a new breed of airline  

Also did you see the thread about a possible A350-700? I doubt Airbus will develop it but it could be perfect for EI a mix of A350-700s and -800s could be good but I think it's a bit late seeing as EI is nearly ready to order. A 4th A350XWB Version : A350-700 (by FCKC Mar 18 2007 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2007-03-18 12:53:26]

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:46 pm
by EIBoston
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 15):
Yes, the weather is very bad in the NY area at the moment. The EI 108 is due in at 11.59 (about 17 minutes from now, so I guess it's about 5 minutes airborne from SNN as I write this), which suggests the 104 is the delayed flight. There's also a BOS flight, EI 2134, due in at 12.13. Don't know why the odd flight number, does the "2" mean it's an extra flight or that one of the 330s has decided to go tech?

Both flights on Friday to BOS were diverted to Bangor, Maine. They stayed there all day yesterday and arrived in BOS at just before midnight last night. They then departed as EI2132 and EI2134 for SNN and DUB around 2.30 AM EST. Yesterdays EI132 was operated by a DC10 and landed in SNN this morning at 6.52 am.

We got a good late winter storm here in New England. Dumped almost a foot of snow in most parts.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:53 pm
by shamrock350
Quoting EIBoston (Reply 17):
We got a good late winter storm here in New England. Dumped almost a foot of snow in most parts.

Well here in the other England we are expecting less than a dusting of snow, I doubt that will disrupt any LHR operations  Wink

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:07 pm
by OA260
Quoting EIBoston (Reply 17):
Yesterdays EI132 was operated by a DC10

Do you know what airline the DC10 belonged to ???? Would have been a nice sight.

I dont see EI going back to the old days. I do see them adjusting some of the not so bright ideas that they introduced in the past though and I think they will be alot better for it. I dont mind paying Eur6 to secure my favourite seat or Eur25 to access the Gold Circle Lounge!!! You can tailor make your own product which is a great idea.

Mad weather here today rain,sleet and snow!!!. I see RE have cancelled some flights . Thats the problem with RE when other airlines can fly they cant due to their props!!! Does anyone like me think that RE should get jet AC maybe E175's or Bae146's for their routes?? It would cut down the number of cancellations.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:15 pm
by shamrock350
I would like a few E175's for RE but they have said time and time again that jet aircraft are not for them and will not help the airline. I think they mentioned this when they ordered their last batch of ATRs. I think RE will be thinking about E-jets because they are taking on the biggest and baddest airline in Ireland, Ryanair! I can just see FR putting cartoons of RE's tiny ATRs next to an FR 737-800 with, "which one would you rather fly?" then FR would throw lots of statistics at you about how RE cancel more flights and so on.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:26 pm
by OA260
Yeah thats what puts me off RE I hate prop planes. They are noisey and when the winds get up they are cancelled. They are dreadfully un reliable in Irish winter times. A mate of mine was due to fly them from the West coast a few weeks ago and got to the airport and it was cancelled. He had to drive to Dublin so as not to miss his onward flight . I love the E170 and E175. LOT use the E170 on its DUB to WAW flight and its a dream to fly on .

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:51 pm
by rineanna
Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Do you know what airline the DC10 belonged to ????

They're usually chartered from World Airways, aren't they?

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 20):
I would like a few E175's for RE

Ditto! But RE have a solid, successful and profitable business model as it is by just focusing on the ATR family. The fear I would a have if they were to introduce the E-jets is that this model would start to break down with all the extra costs associated with introducing a brand new type of aircraft, and a jet aircraft at that.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:57 pm
by kaitak
I thought the DC10 came from Omni Air; I'm not sure World still operates, at least not in a pax config.

At least (hopefully) it will pass soon.

As for the A350-700, I think it's just one of those possibilities that airlines and manufacturers look at every so often. I think that for an airline like EI, smaller is not really the way to go. A long haul low cost operator needs to get the most "bang for its buck", i.e. to get the largest possible aircraft for the best price and I think that's either going to be the 787-9/10 or the A350-900/1000. I think there will be a few A358s and 787-8s, as A330-200 replacements, for long, thin routes or for inaugurating new routes, but I don't think EI will go smaller than that.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:03 pm
by OA260
Has anyone see a artists impression of a A380 in EI colours??? I thought I saw it somewhere but cant remember where also I wonder what a RE E170 would look like ??? I bet it would look class.

Anyone flown BE recently??? I have to do a trip on their Dash-8 's in a few weeks and Im not looking forward to it !!! I hate props. Maybe I will do a TR not sure yet.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:11 pm
by kaitak
Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Anyone flown BE recently??? I have to do a trip on their Dash-8 's in a few weeks and Im not looking forward to it !!! I hate props

I flew them from JER to BRI a few months back; not a bad experience at all, in all fairness. It really is a nice airplane; it's a long time since I've flown on an ATR, but I think the Dash 8s are nicer. Certainly nicer than the 146. One odd thing is that the seat backs seem wafer thin, but they're still quite comfortable. Have a nice trip; what route is it by the way?

I don't like Flybe that much; everything is an extra cost; it always reminds me of the innkeeper from Les Miserables ... an extra charge for everything ... seat selection, baggage, the lot (of course, EI is going the same way!). Still, I'm flying from JER to LHR next Sunday (inaugural flight - yippee!) and it was a relief not to have any extra fees, other than the basic fare, which thankfully included tax!

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:27 pm
by OA260
Hi Kaitak , Are you on the BMI inaugural flight???? Well Im not going to bother with seat selection as the flight doesnt look that full and im only doing DUB to SOU and its not that far. The Dash-8's of Flybe look quite nice from pics Ive seen on here so heres hoping. Id love to go on their new E jet though it looks class.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:47 pm
by rineanna
Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
The Dash-8's of Flybe look quite nice from pics Ive seen on here so heres hoping. Id love to go on their new E jet though it looks class.

They do look very nice indeed. According to the Dublin airport website. as you said, the route is predominantly served by the Q400, but they use a 143 on Sundays.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Maybe I will do a TR not sure yet.

Please do, your Swiss ones were a great read!

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:10 pm
by steeler83
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 16):
Also did you see the thread about a possible A350-700? I doubt Airbus will develop it but it could be perfect for EI a mix of A350-700s and -800s could be good but I think it's a bit late seeing as EI is nearly ready to order.
A 4th A350XWB Version : A350-700

Hmmm. Many posters have stated that the odds of Airbus doing that are extremely slim. It would be neat to see, but I don't see it happening. How far back has this whole A350 debacle been pushed? It was originally supposed to be 2008 or 2009. What is the launch date now, 2012 or 2013?

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:13 pm
by shamrock350
I expect EI to go for a few A350-800s and the rest -900s. I can't see the -1000 included in the order but if they go with the 787 then the -9 and -10 probably will be the choice, that is if Boeing has actually given airlines specs on the -10. We haven't heard much about it not even from EK and it looks like Airbus got in their first with -1000XWB. We should know in the next few months.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Has anyone see a artists impression of a A380 in EI colours???


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Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Maybe I will do a TR not sure yet

I hope you do, your other TRs are great!

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 22):
But RE have a solid, successful and profitable business model as it is by just focusing on the ATR family

Exactly what they say for not ordering them at the moment.

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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:55 pm
by OA260
Quoting Rineanna (Reply 27):
Please do, your Swiss ones were a great read!



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 29):
I hope you do, your other TRs are great!

LOL....(blush) .. I guess I will have to now lol....

One thing that I was thinking yesterday is that I really miss Swiss!!! I might plan a weekend to Zurich in May. I got used to them after 4 round trips in 2 months. I really do miss it.

Nice picture of the A380 !!! It really looks good in the EI colours. I wonder if one day we will ever see it if we get a brand new Dublin airport with a proper runway maybe EI could do a service DUB-LAX-SYD-BKK-DUB a few times a week and DUB-BKK-SYD-LAX-DUB on a few other days to rotate it. They could have an Irish bar onboard!!!! Never say never!!! They could lease one rather than buy it.

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:11 am
by rineanna
Quoting OA260 (Reply 30):
I wonder if one day we will ever see

EI would probably pack in the maximum 800+ seats onto it! Big grin

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:27 am
by shamrock350
The A380 does look good in EI colours and that makes me think that EI colours would look good on anything! I would love the A380 to appear in the Aer Lingus fleet sometime in the future but the A350 will do fine for me!

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:50 am
by OA260
They could use an A380 and run a whole load more supporters to the Cricket World Cup in Jamaica!!!



Great to see Ireland doing so well!!!!

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:06 am
by shamrock350
It can fly low and drop them into that warm sea because I dont think theres a runway long enough for the A330 in Jamaica. Great to see Ireland do well I didn't know there was a cricket team let alone the fact they are quite good, maybe EI can do a flyby using an A330 to celebrate!
Does anyone know if EI ever did a flyby for St. Patricks day? Not just this year but any years. A low flying EI 747 would have looked amazing during the 80s.

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:44 am
by OA260
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 34):
It can fly low and drop them into that warm sea because I dont think theres a runway long enough for the A330 in Jamaica.

Well BA flew a B747 into there and JM have A340's so they must have a runway long enough in Kingston at least.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 34):
A low flying EI 747 would have looked amazing during the 80s.

Proberbly the 30 min flight to SNN!!!!

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:17 am
by BrianDromey
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 14):
The average short-haul fare rose to €91 while Ryanair's fell to €39.

I wonder if these fares include taxes? Because we all know that FR's taxes can mount up quite quickly, as do their outrageous baggage charges and over-priced on-board "snacks" and drinks. I know some people will say its not the point, but if EI can command that sort of fare, then fair play. People would fly on the competition if they felt they were not getting value. maybe a few more bargin fares would help increase the load factors a little bit?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
They are noisey and when the winds get up they are cancelled. They are dreadfully un reliable in Irish winter times. A mate of mine was due to fly them from the West coast a few weeks ago and got to the airport and it was cancelled. He had to drive to Dublin so as not to miss his onward flight . I love the E170 and E175. LOT use the E170 on its DUB to WAW flight and its a dream to fly on .

Even if you do have a dislike for props I ask that you try REs ATR's and sit near the rear, if you ever get the chance. I agree that they are not the most comfortable aircraft to fly on, but by sitting near the rear things quieten down significantly. Bring an iPod, and its not really a whole lot different to a jet. (I usually find that the party people on many LCC flights make a lot more noise in the cabin than a prop ever could! - we're not all so lucky to have a carrier such as LX serving our local and/or destination airports!)

Brian.

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:27 am
by OA260
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 36):
we're not all so lucky to have a carrier such as LX serving our local and/or destination airports!)

Belfast is my closest airport , i just like to get on the coach and fly out of Dublin. I have tried to experience RE on two occassions but both times the flights were cancelled and the second time they never even refunded me . I sent them 5 letters then just gave up so if they give me what im owed in a refund then maybe I will consider them again . The RE staff at Dublin airport were not that nice. So you can understand why im not a number one fan of them. Having said that I would still choose them over FR.

[Edited 2007-03-18 22:55:45]

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:53 am
by vega
Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 5):
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
Don't they have plans to enter the PHL market? (I would love for EI to serve PIT, well... any international airline for that matter, but it isn't happening in this lifetime I guess at the rate it's going. I will settle for PHL service.)
PHL has definitely been mentioned lately - seems a surprise given US are serving it but they must see scope for both. It looks as though SFO/SJC, IAD/BWI and MCO are the front runners currently. Interestingly when Willie Walsh had the helm of EI he made a presentation at one point with his list of future EI destinations. PIT was up there......

Well I think PHL went from #2 to ? because of the UA / B6 strong presence at IAD and specifically the new relationship between EI and B6. I would be surprised to see EI serve PHL in less than 2 years, having service from both NYC and DC, the competition with US and the lack of additional near term aircraft - beyond the 2007 A332 deliveries. More less probable if EI should accept the BWI $11M incentive package and go there (instead of IAD). BWI probably "deserves" an EI flight more than PHL or IAD if for no other reason than because of its limited service/connectivity to/in Europe. If B6 served PHL the prorities may be very different. Maybe PIT should have offered an $11M incentive and an arrangement with B6.

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:03 pm
by ei2ksea
Quoting Vega (Reply 38):
I would be surprised to see EI serve PHL in less than 2 years, having service from both NYC and DC, the competition with US and the lack of additional near term aircraft

Totally true given the information of the past 2/3 weeks.  thumbsup 



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 36):
outrageous baggage charges

I must stick up for FR in the area of sporting equipment and musical insturments - whilst their pay-baggage limit is quite miserly, they are excellent for sporting equipment. FR charge €45 return irrespective of weight and without airport fuss. EI is €50 return for 15kg, the associated hassle it seems to cause at the airport you get for free. In terms of sporting and musical equipment, this is simply too low - most people rely on it for ski's, surfboards and golf clubs which are borderline 15kgs. It seems that the rate is set at just a level where excess charges can still be levied causing delays, hassle and inherent unpleasantries at the airport. I know its a service many airlines dont even offer but why not bump up the charge somewhat, up the limit and lose the attitude or else dont offer it at all. Its definitely leading to sports and university teams in Ireland that I know of to choose Ryanair after having previously being caught with EI. Exceptional circumstance I know but as a kayaking freak, my 25kg kayak (its tiny I swear!) led to an arbitrary oversize AND overweight charge from EI that made the whole journey from ORK-LHR-JNB-LVI look cheap in comparison. I was booked as a BA passenger (who in fairness were very good about dealing with my complaint afterwards, BA accept us paddling weirdos without any charges). FYI EI are excellent about outsize equipment on transatlantic and Dubai flights - if only they could be consistant!

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:03 pm
by jwmd123
Delayed Happy St Patrick's Day to ou all. Was, lets just say 'occupied' visiting the local landlord in the past few days.


Just a quick question.

I was on the DAA website and looking at all the routes served from DUB. It was great to see so many routes. They even have the new one listed to Israel.

However, my question is, why don't that have CPT on it. They show all other charters but not CPT. I know this is served on the winter by a charter. Was this not done by Slatterys travel. Also do they/did they serve a charter to BKK as well?

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:10 pm
by ac747
It would be nice to see CPT on the map alright.
I don't believe the DUB website shows charters though.
For sure they list them on the Daily arrivals/departures pages, but not on the map.
I know it highlights the flights to Israel and Cyprus, but these can be booked through the airlines as 'seat only' flights.....not just holiday charters.

As for BKK. I'm not sure what Travel agent operated the flights (Budget come to mind, for some reason), but Britannia flew DUB to Phuket via AUH for one Summer season with 767's. That's going back to the late 90's, when they also operated to Bridgetown.

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:31 pm
by ac747
I see on the DL website that they are offering MCO as a one-stop route from DUB via ATL. The DL159 is shown as a 'thru' flight all the way to MCO and not a 'change of plane' service.
Wasn't this a strong route when EI ran the charters there ?
I wonder if DL are planning to pick up some of that action non-stop soon ?

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:41 pm
by OA260
Quoting AC747 (Reply 42):
I see on the DL website that they are offering MCO as a one-stop route from DUB via ATL. The DL159 is shown as a 'thru' flight all the way to MCO and not a 'change of plane' service.

Indeed it does but its not really a thru flight , you have to take bags off and clear customs and change AC also so its just for marketing purposes and doesnt make a difference if your having to fly it.

DL 159 FRIDAY 10 AUG 07
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BRD TIME T D/I OFF TIME T D/I FLY/GROUND EQP E
DUB 1130 I ATL 1520 S I 8:50/ 1:55 762 E
ATL 1715 S D MCO 1846 D 1:31 CHG/757 E
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TOTAL FLYING TIME DUB - MCO 10:21
TOTAL GROUND TIME DUB - MCO 1:55
TOTAL JOURNEY TIME DUB - MCO 12:16
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RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:40 pm
by ac747
Ah.
Well, that's not much use really, is it ?
Basically it's just the one DL flight # used on two completely different flights ?
I nearly got excited there for a minute, thinking that maybe they were dipping their toe into a DUB-MCO non-stop !
Ta for the details.

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:28 pm
by BrianDromey
Quoting OA260 (Reply 37):
Having said that I would still choose them over FR.

Fair points. There are a lot of airlines Id rather fly over FR, cubana aren't but I'd take my chances with Aeroflot, in its soviet days!

You really do have a wealth of choices, dont you? At LBA its Jet2, bmi, KLM or FR, at ORK, EI, RE, FR and WW. Not a single star alliance carier or codeshare existis into ORK......

Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 39):
FYI EI are excellent about outsize equipment on transatlantic and Dubai flights - if only they could be consistant!

I find that it very much depends on the agent and the company they work for. At ORK and DUB there are generally no problems with extra weight, and teh same applies to LHR (even tough EI no longer handle themselves there, it is mostly ex EI).The "problems" generally arise at airports where EI outsources ground crews to ServisAir/Aviance, or whoever.

Also if you were travelling on a BA flight number, or a BA ticket you should have been under BA rules for baggage. Ive never had a problem....but then again maybe its my truly horrific passport photo....fits of hesterical laughter leave them unable to read the scales, perhaps?

Brian.

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:29 pm
by OA260
Quoting AC747 (Reply 44):
Well, that's not much use really, is it ?
Basically it's just the one DL flight # used on two completely different flights ?
I nearly got excited there for a minute, thinking that maybe they were dipping their toe into a DUB-MCO non-stop !
Ta for the details.

Arrghh no such luck lol....it is actually misleading if you are joe soap . I have had people complain as they got one coupon for the flight and thought it was just one stop and remaining on the AC , a bit like a DUB-SNN-JFK (but not getting off). It can cause confusion.

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:16 pm
by Eirules
We have all talked about the new routes that EI are likely to serve if Open Skies gets the go ahead, but what of all the American carriers? What is their response going to be? IMO we will see:

CO do 2x daily DUB-EWR non stop (perhaps one 767 and one 757), a daily 757 SNN-EWR and perhaps the start of a new IAH-DUB?
AA will almost certainly start new routes ex DUB but where to? DFW, JFK, MIA? I suppose some of this will depend on where EI launch service to
NW will almost certainly begin 757 flights to DTW.
UA perhaps a 767 to SFO via IAD, serve both their hubs with one flight to destinations not served from Ireland?
As for DL, LAX? SLC? MCO as mentioned above?

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:02 am
by shamrock350
Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 34):
It can fly low and drop them into that warm sea because I dont think theres a runway long enough for the A330 in Jamaica.

Well BA flew a B747 into there and JM have A340's so they must have a runway long enough in Kingston at least.

I meant the A380 but if a BA fly a 747 into there then an A380 should do fine, they need the same amount of runway if I'm correct.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 47):
UA perhaps a 767 to SFO via IAD, serve both their hubs with one flight to destinations not served from Ireland?

I can see UA flying to DUB and from SFO but I expect to see EI get on that route first, it's like their dream to have that route. I would love to see a UA 777 in DUB but a 767 would be expected from UA.

RE: A Special St. Patrick's Day Irish Aviation Thread!

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:04 am
by kaitak
I think UA is kind of squeezed out, because if EI starts services to IAD and SFO and already has (along with AA) services to ORD, what's left. They could, of course, go to IAD, because they have a big hub there.

As for AA, although EI has left oneworld and AA operates to ORD independently of EI, I'm wondering if they will do a codeshare, with one (EI) taking MIA and another (AA) doing Dallas. Remember that a codeshare with EI would suit AA very nicely, because AA has a huge hub at MIA.

At the end of the day, if an airline must fly to SNN (and I think some will, even after Open Skies), they might as well take full advantage of the two extra flights they can opertate. It would not surprise me if CO did IAH or DL did CVG. If DL does ATL and JFK from SNN, then it could operate up to six from DUB, although I don't see them going that high. Still, with those extra ex-TWA 757s in their fleet, you could see them doing DUB-BOS or even CVG (if that's possible with a '57).

Of course, the big limiter is the state of DUB. I can see next year being a nightmare, because if more remote parking (at the far side of 16/34) is made available, there's still only a limited amount of space for the US pre-clearance facility at the B pier; God knows how they're going to accommodate the customs pre-clearance ... the old Iona base, maybe!!!

Still, very exciting times ahead. And a long bloody time coming !