Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
iahflyer
Topic Author
Posts: 249
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:34 pm

Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:24 am

At LHR, and Hamburg Finkenwielder what is stated above occurs. What are the requirements for this to happen? What happens if an accident occur(plane or car)? What happens if the road needs to be repaired? Also does anyone have any interesting stories about the places, and other instances of the situtation?
--IAHFLYER--
Little airports with the big jets are the best!! Floyd
 
columbia107
Posts: 328
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:42 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:41 am

Well Gibraltar airport where the main road leading from the border with Spain into the city centre, cuts cross the runway.

Thousands of people, be they residents, tourists or travellers, as well as hundreds of cars cross the road.

Control is maintained at each end,by way of barriers which are lowered whenever aircraft land or take off.

It is unique and for someone who has an interest in aviation, is indeed a spectacle watching cars and people resuming their journey across the runway just after an aircraft has landed.

As far as I recall there has only been one fatal accident involving a military aircraft and a cyclist.

Several close calls, however.

I believe the runway was resurfaced some years ago but I cannot recall the methodology used to keep the runway operational.

Mind you in those days very few aircraft landed or took off from Gibraltar airport which is a military airfield and its official name is RAF North Front Gibraltar.

Photographs are available on the Ailiner Net Photo database.
In God we trust
 
carduelis
Posts: 1388
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2001 8:24 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:45 am

The LHR crossing closed last year, so no longer relevant!
Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 11196
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:50 am

Here at DFW, we have 8 taxiway bridges that cross roadways. Aircraft use these bridges everyday. I cannot tell you their strenght, but it is substantial, plus a 15% overload. In the US taxiway bridges must be equipped with blast deflectors to keep jet blast away from the traffic below. The bridges at DFW are all 100' (33m) wide, for the taxiway portion, and the blast deflectors are up to another 100' wide on each side. Vehicle accidents under the bridges are not normally a problem, unless there is a big fire from the accident. The support legs are protected by roadguards, but if they fail the support can take a direct hit from a fully loaded 18 wheeler (80,000lbs) and not suffer enough damage to weaken the bridge. The only airplane type accident I can see is the bridge failing as an aircraft crosses, that would be very bad.

Altogether, there are over 100 bridges on DFW, mostly roadway bridges, plus the skybridges, not counting the new train. So our biggest threat would be a large earthquake (6.0 magnatude or better). That would stop DFW cold, for months.
 
worldtraveler
Posts: 3417
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:18 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:52 am

DFW taxiways cross the road that goes through the center of the airport.

ATL's new runway crosses I-285 which is 5 or so lanes on each side... the runway crosses the interstate near the mid-point of the runway. the tunnels under the runway are massive and you really don't know you are crossing a freeway when you are on the runway because there is so much room on either side of the runway.
 
atct
Posts: 2472
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:42 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:54 am

IAH has 6 overpasses that I can think of.

A little strip I used to fly into called "Herron Airport" outside of pittsburgh has a dirt county road that cuts through the runway. (I believe the airport is about a 2200ft runway, runway is gravel/dirt/grass/asphalt etc. lol)

ATCT
Trikes are for kids!
 
walter747
Posts: 1379
Joined: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:49 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:57 am

At SAN the coast guard a/c crosses the main street in downtown. I remembered watching it from the little viewing area it was cool. The cars would stop until it passed its similar to the railroad crossing.
Hussel, Hussel, Husel, Grind, Grind, Grind
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 11196
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 4):
DFW taxiways cross the road that goes through the center of the airport.

That is right, 4 bridges (A, B, Y, & Z Twys) cross over International Parkway. Two bridges (A & B Twy) cross over West Airfield Drive on the west side, and two (EL & ER Twys) cross East Airfield Drive on the east side.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 4):
ATL's new runway crosses I-285 which is 5 or so lanes on each side... the runway crosses the interstate near the mid-point of the runway. the tunnels under the runway are massive and you really don't know you are crossing a freeway when you are on the runway because there is so much room on either side of the runway.

That is because the runway safety area (to each side of the runway) is 250' on each side, measured from the runway centerline. Then with the slopes required, and other engineering needs, you are probibly looking at a tunnel 800'-1000' long. If it crosses 10 lanes of interstate (Interstate lanes are required to be 12' wide, so the distance is at least 120', but probibly closer to 135'. Is there any center support lags or wall? If not, there would need to be 135'-150' of dirt on top of the tunnel. I take it the roadway decends as it enters the tunnel?
 
captaink
Posts: 4010
Joined: Wed May 23, 2001 10:43 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:55 am

I am almost 100% sure I crossed a road at JFK as well.

P.S. just to add or that an airplane crossed over us as we were driving.

[Edited 2007-03-24 03:56:06]
Look Up
 
ckfred
Posts: 5188
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:50 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:48 pm

The taxiway leading to Runways 32R and 27R at ORD cross the main access road into ORD, I-190.

There used to be a sign near the bridge saying that 747s couldn't stop on the bridge. The belief was tha the jet blast from the #1 and #4 engines could blow over cars below.

Now, the sign admonishes all aircraft not to stop on the bridges (A second one was built, so that aircraft could taxi in both directions simultaneously.). My guess is that the sign and new operation restriction was a result of September 11th.
 
luketenley
Posts: 415
Joined: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:51 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:49 pm

PHX and LAX both have taxiways or runways crossing roadways.
Pittsburgh International Airport lover
 
AZA330
Posts: 221
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:20 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:12 pm

A taxiway at Tampa International goes over the road that leads to the airport. It is not really crossing...it is more like "over-passing," so I do not know if that counts  Smile

Ciao!
 
rsg85
Posts: 180
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:30 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:40 pm

wynyard airport (ywyy) in Australia has a railway crossing on RWY 23, aircraft give way to the trains, i think the railway line has been inactive since 2003 though.
Stuart highway in South Australia doesnt cross a runway, it is one.
 
BBADXB
Posts: 777
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2001 11:13 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:46 pm

At Malta, there's a crossing road between the airport and the Medavia facilities.

BBADXB
 
Captintut
Posts: 317
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 1:35 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:33 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 8):
am almost 100% sure I crossed a road at JFK as well.

P.S. just to add or that an airplane crossed over us as we were driving

Yes you are right there a 4 taxiway bridges Crossing JFKExpy and VanWyckExpy.
Aircraft Flown: B747-B777-B737-B767-B757-A300-A318-A319-A320-A321-A330-A340-MD80-MD90-CRJ600-CRJ900-E190-A380
 
InnocuousFox
Posts: 2556
Joined: Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:30 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:11 pm

O'hare has a couple crossing the highway.
Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
 
Kevin777
Posts: 951
Joined: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:36 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:19 pm

Quoting Rsg85 (Reply 12):
wynyard airport (ywyy) in Australia has a railway crossing on RWY 23, aircraft give way to the trains

Cool!  Smile

At CPH, rwy 22R/04L + taxiway to 04L crosses a 4-lane road between Copenhagen and the suburb Dragoer (where Sterling and MyTravel Airways have their HQ's) about 2/3 down 22 R. Even if it's only one rwy and one taxiway, the tunnel still seems very long!

It was build back in the sixties, when CPH expanded and a very long rwy (3.600 mtrs) was needed. This required the runway crossing. It's not too pretty I have to say, and most planes are way up in the air when they come their anyway, taking off from 22R. However, widebodies get airborne around the crossing, beatiful place for spotting, because you can get pretty close to the rwy because the road is there.

Kevin777
"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
 
Olympus69
Posts: 1571
Joined: Sat Jun 15, 2002 11:21 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:20 pm

The road to the midfield facilities at YYZ has 3 taxiways crossing over it.
 
macilree
Posts: 106
Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:13 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:06 am

Another airport where a railway crosses the airport runway is at Gisborne (GIS/NZGS) in New Zealand's North Island. Trains are infrequent. Here are the relevant pages from the Aeronautical Information Publication New Zealand.

John Macilree's Weblog
John Macilree
 
Kraw
Posts: 40
Joined: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:40 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
That is because the runway safety area (to each side of the runway) is 250' on each side, measured from the runway centerline. Then with the slopes required, and other engineering needs, you are probibly looking at a tunnel 800'-1000' long. If it crosses 10 lanes of interstate (Interstate lanes are required to be 12' wide, so the distance is at least 120', but probibly closer to 135'. Is there any center support lags or wall? If not, there would need to be 135'-150' of dirt on top of the tunnel. I take it the roadway decends as it enters the tunnel?

there is a center "wall" that divides the different directions of traffic.

The interstate is level.

I can't remember exactly who many lanes there are, but I think it's five with room for 2 or 3 more.
Pastey White!!!!!
 
halls120
Posts: 8724
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:24 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:33 am

in Kodiak, AK, the taxiway from the Coast Guard Air Station to the runways at Kodiak State Airport crosses a Base road at ground level. The kids that live in base housing love to ride bikes out to the road and get incredibly close to the taxiing C-130's that are stationed there.
"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain, a Biography
 
ZBBYLW
Posts: 1625
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:17 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:40 am

YLW has it also. Inorder for planes (biggest 757s) to get to KFC they have to cross the airport road which runs parallel to Taxiway D and the runway.
Keep the shinny side up!
 
b52murph
Posts: 223
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:02 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:41 am

While now gone, the old 35R/17L [12K ft long] @ DEN Stapelton crossed over I-70. They've since torndown the overbridge; but when you drive past that point, you can see where the runway used to be.
 
Yankees
Posts: 76
Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:52 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:46 am

JFK has one between T1 and T9
B733,B738,B752,B762,B763,B777,MD80,CRJ,CR7,ATR,ER3,ERD,ER4,A319,A320,A321
 
jamesjimlb
Posts: 940
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:48 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:46 am

at IAH there is a taxi way bridge you go under.
The sky is no longer the limit, but the mere minimum
 
heliflyerPDC
Posts: 113
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:16 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:11 am

what about a taxiway ,that's actually a normal street EBKT is an example: (the street is on the left of the field, behind a fence)


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © David Van Den Dooren



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Nik Deblauwe
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sven De Bevere




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stefaan Ellebaut
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sven De Bevere




View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sven De Bevere
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Frederik Adam





grtz PDC
grtz PDC
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 11196
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:22 am

Quoting Kraw (Reply 19):
there is a center "wall" that divides the different directions of traffic.

The interstate is level.

I'll bet the center wall is designed as a load bearing wall.

Quoting HeliflyerPDC (Reply 25):
what about a taxiway ,that's actually a normal street EBKT is an example

Now that is different, and fun, too.
 bigthumbsup 
 
flyingdoc
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:53 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:53 am

At LIT, there is a taxiway that goes from the terminal building to one of the runways that crosses a road, the road goes down into a tunnel below the taxiway.
 
planesarecool
Posts: 3257
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2001 12:37 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 9):
Now, the sign admonishes all aircraft not to stop on the bridges (A second one was built, so that aircraft could taxi in both directions simultaneously.). My guess is that the sign and new operation restriction was a result of September 11th.

I believe it's actually because in the event of an emergency, and the slides are deployed while on the bridge, then people would go straight off the edge of the bridge into the road. That would explain why 747's wouldn't be able to stop, however I'm not sure why it would be changed to all aircraft, because clearly a CRJ wouldn't have that problem. Maybe somebody else will know more.
 
cf6ppe
Posts: 243
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:09 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:42 pm

SEA: South 188th Street passes under the extension of 16L/34R.

MEM: Winchester Road has 3 pass unders. The center under pass has 18C/36C and two taxi ways above, while the other two under passes have taxi ways above.

LAX: I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Sepulveda Boulevard under passes.
 
MCOflyer
Posts: 7088
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:51 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:52 pm

At MCO theres a taxiway that crosses the road leading to the terminals.

MCOflyer
Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
 
WestJetYQQ
Posts: 2763
Joined: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:31 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:58 pm

Boeing Field has a Taxiway crossing the road, going into one of their hangars. Paine Field Also has a Bridge.

I was surprised nobody mentioned the Boeing Airports already!  Wink

Cheers
Carson
Will You Try to Change Things? Use the Power that you have, the Power of a Million new Ideas.
 
IADCA
Posts: 2203
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:24 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:50 pm

If we're just talking overpasses, doesn't CDG have quite a few?
 
swiftski
Posts: 1837
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:19 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:23 am

Beijing has one, if this is what we are talking about

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/1125734/L/
 
Emirates029
Posts: 173
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:13 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting IADCA (Reply 32):

AMS has one from the new Polderbaan runway as well
 
User avatar
OzarkD9S
Posts: 5760
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2001 2:31 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:36 am

The new runway at STL passes over Lindbergh Blvd/Highwa 67, which were rebuilt to accomodate the runway.
"My soul is in the sky". -Pyramus- A Midsummer's Night Dream
 
worldtraveler
Posts: 3417
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 6:18 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
I take it the roadway decends as it enters the tunnel?

The interstate existed before the runway and I don't believe was rebuilt. They did haul in a huge amount of dirt to raise the level of the runway not only to provide plenty of height over the interstate but also so that the new runway would be at a similar height as the existing airfield.

[Edited 2007-03-25 23:56:49]
 
Bongodog1964
Posts: 3542
Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:29 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:43 am

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 2):
The LHR crossing closed last year, so no longer relevant!

Where was this ? I can't recall a public road crossing a runway at LHR, unless you are referring to the central access tunnel which is very much still open.
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 11196
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 36):
The interstate existed before the runway and I don't believe was rebuilt. They did haul in a huge amount of dirt to raise the level of the runway not only to provide plenty of height over the interstate but also so that the new runway would be at a similar height as the existing airfield.

That would make sense. But that is a lot of dirt to haul in.
 
Feroze
Posts: 698
Joined: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:05 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 37):
Quoting Carduelis (Reply 2):
The LHR crossing closed last year, so no longer relevant!

Where was this ? I can't recall a public road crossing a runway at LHR, unless you are referring to the central access tunnel which is very much still open.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © James Rowson
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Wim Callaert - Brussels Aviation Photography



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © C.S. Photography
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Stuart Lawson [Airplane-Pictures]



The Eastchurch Road crossing was closed to road traffic last year; it didn't cross a runway, rather the taxiway to the maintenance area on the eastern edge of the airport.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...8&spn=0.003341,0.013497&iwloc=addr

[Edited 2007-03-26 05:36:37]
 
Emirates029
Posts: 173
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:13 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:33 pm

It was in the maintenance area sort of in between 27L and 27R but closer to 27L I think
 
Steve332
Posts: 114
Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:27 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:12 am

Lets not forget the one at Everett either!!  Smile
 
chuchoteur
Posts: 610
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:17 pm

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 1):
Mind you in those days very few aircraft landed or took off from Gibraltar airport which is a military airfield and its official name is RAF North Front Gibraltar.

LXGB/GIB is also open to civilian traffic, and general aviation.
They have an apron able to accomodate 4 light aircraft.

The runway is uncomfortable (grooved), the landing fees are pretty high, but it is a unique airfield to fly into... they don't have 100LL either, but otherwise the airport is pretty friendly.
 
User avatar
Coronado990
Posts: 1531
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:12 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:16 am

I believe the Nauru Airport has a road crossing prior to the aircraft reaching the gate.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Nauru_Airport.jpg
SFO=NoCal LAX=SoCal SAN=LoCal
 
siromega
Posts: 564
Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:57 am

RE: Airports With A/C Crossing Roads.

Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:19 am

LAS has a connector under the 25/7 runways connecting the surface streets on the north side of the airport (Swenson/Paradise) to the I-215 beltway. It was designed to help out airport traffic, but now its something like 70% of the traffic going through it isnt related to the airport at all.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos