AC//The Lure Of The B777

FLYACYYZ · Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:30 pm

Delivery of the new baby is less than a week away, with service implementation on April 7/2007. Not saying this is the case, but if for example the lowest available fare YYZ-LHR was slightly higher than BA, would you go out of your way just to fly the newest addition to the fleet, and if so, by how much??

It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer.

CAN2YYZ · Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:15 pm

Anybody trying it out on YYZ-YUL ?

Olympus69 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:39 am

I'm planning to, but see my thread "A-Netters on first AC 777 Revenue Flight?" for schedule details. First flight is April 5th.

John.

[Edited 2007-03-27 20:41:06]

deltadc9 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Thread starter):
It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer

I question this, because rate becomes irrelevant if schedule cannot be accomodated. The two are linked.

FLYACYYZ · Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 2):
I'm planning to, but see my thread "A-Netters on first AC 777 Revenue Flight?" for schedule details. First flight is April 5th.

Although subject to change (could be sooner, could be later), the first scheduled revenue flight is AC856 YYZ/LHR on April 7, 2007.

PanAm747 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:59 am

Quote:
It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer.

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I question this, because rate becomes irrelevant if schedule cannot be accomodated. The two are linked.

I don't - the average consumer can't tell the difference between one airplane and the next. But if it saves them $3, they'll take a completely different airline.

As for me, I have flown San Diego to Chicago many times - but never non-stop. I switch in DEN to fly a 777 (or once a 747-400!!). When asked why at the ticket counter I'm not taking the non-stop, I tell the agent about my plans and desire to fly the big boys. Usually the response is, "oh, that's cool!! I love the XXX as well!". Everyone else behind me thinks I'm crazy...but as long as I'm not holding up the line, I don't care.

So, would I pay extra? Heck yeah!! I'd be there!! cloudnine

lnglive1011yyz · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:02 am

Are we all sure about the dates, etc?

The first revenue flight, IF I'm understanding correctly, is the flight from YUL - LHr on The 7'th.

Then it will fly from LHR - YYZ on the 8th, and then YYZ-YUL and back later that day on the 8th...?

I'm not planning to go ON the 8th, as I'm a little leary to book travel on something that is not exact and not guaranteed!

I might try when they get the second one, though.

1011yyz

sixtyseven · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:03 am

What are you guys hearing about routes on the 5th? I heard some rapidairs between YUL and YYZ followed by LHR out of YYZ on the 6th.

FLYACYYZ · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):
But if it saves them $3, they'll take a completely different airline.

That has typically become the North American norm. Customers in Asia & the Middle East, are more likely to pay extra largely based on an airlines quality & reputation--SQ/CX/EY/EK, etc.

FLYACYYZ · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):
Are we all sure about the dates, etc?

Planned rotation for fin 731:

AC856 YYZ/LHR 07April
AC869 LHR/YYZ 08April
AC412 YYZ/YUL 08April
AC417 YUL/YYZ 08April & back to London on 856

If pre-service modifications are done ahead of time, the aircraft may be cycled through a couple of YUL/YYZ Rapidair flights ahead of the launch date.

[Edited 2007-03-27 21:08:26]

ACDC8 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 3):
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Thread starter):
It's no secret that price still remains the #1 factor when selecting an airline by the average consumer

I question this, because rate becomes irrelevant if schedule cannot be accomodated. The two are linked.

I don't, the average consumer (meaning people having to pay for a ticket out of their own pocket) price takes precedence over schedule. However, if another flight costs only a bit more, say less then $100, and has a more attractive schedule, the average consumer may opt for that flight.

I am not the type who would bend over backwards just to fly on one of the first flights of a new aircraft with the airline. If I have the time and the money and the aircraft is going to a destination that I would be interested in, then yes, otherwise no. It's not that I wouldn't want to, but I know once the aircraft enters regular serivce I'll get a chance to try it out within the first year or so.

[Edited 2007-03-27 21:13:03]

BOE773 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Thread starter):
for example the lowest available fare YYZ-LHR was slightly higher than BA, would you go out of your way just to fly the newest addition to the fleet, and if so, by how much??

Yes it would lure me away as AC's product is as good or sometimes even better that the competitor.
I'm sure that their ticket price will be similar or lower and I bet it will lure some pax from the competition.

deltadc9 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 10):
I don't, the average consumer (meaning people having to pay for a ticket out of their own pocket) price takes precedence over schedule. However, if another flight costs only a bit more, say less then $100, and has a more attractive schedule, the average consumer may opt for that flight.

Didn't you just agree with me? Also, the average consumer usually does not have much say over their schedule as they cannot take vacation whenever they want. That is why i contend price and schedule are linked and they both determine the ticket you buy, not just price alone. That is way to simplistic

ACDC8 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:35 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 12):
Didn't you just agree with me? Also, the average consumer usually does not have much say over their schedule as they cannot take vacation whenever they want. That is why i contend price and schedule are linked and they both determine the ticket you buy, not just price alone. That is way to simplistic

No I didn't agree with you, price will usually take precedence over schedule for the average consumer. If a passenger can fly from JFK-LHR for $100 less with airline A but gets into LHR 5 hours later then with airline B, most average consumers will book the cheaper flight and adjust their schedule accordingly.

However, as I said, if two tickets are within a certain price of each other, the average consumer may be willing to pay a bit more for a better schedule, especially if the person has further connections, but the price is still the first criteria.

FR is a good example of this, most people are willing to fly on flights that are more difficult to accomodate on their schedules in order to pay €10 for a flight as opposed to €50.

deltadc9 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
and adjust their schedule accordingly

When can most ordinary people adjust their schedule? Most people must schedule vacation time months in advance, and must make arrangements for their absense. Schedule is more of a factor than most people here seem to think IMO.

ACDC8 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 14):
When can most ordinary people adjust their schedule? Most people must schedule vacation time months in advance, and must make arrangements for their absense. Schedule is more of a factor than most people here seem to think IMO.

Most ordinary people can easily adjust their schedule (to a degree) to accomodate their holidays or travel arrangements. If they need to re-schedule by a day or two, most people can do that and do it.

The only reason why most people schedule vacation time well in advance is to get time off that they would like to have before anyone else grabs it, however, this is usually done before they make any travel arrangements. Now, if they book a flight or trip before they book time off at work, they will most certainly try to get the cheapest deal they can regardless of the time.

Anyway, speaking of work, guess where I'm off to ..... Wink

KELPkid · Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 11):
Yes it would lure me away as AC's product is as good or sometimes even better that the competitor.
I'm sure that their ticket price will be similar or lower and I bet it will lure some pax from the competition.

And, AC doesn't use Rolls-Royce Engines duck

gilesdavies · Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:08 am

I hope AC 777-300's are worth it...

Im flying to Vancouver on the 21st April and instead of choosing AC direct A330-300 from London, I chose to fly via Toronto because of the 777! I am almost adding 5hrs on to the travelling time and got to leave really early for the airport as the direct flight was far nicer timings!

21st April 2007
0830 LHR---> 1105 YYZ
AC869 777-300

1300 YYZ---> 1500 YVR
AC169 A321

3rd May 2007
1235 SFO---> 2025 YYZ
AC756 767-200

2255 YYZ---> 1110 LHR
AC858 777-300

If no one else beats me to it, I will gladly add a trip report!

aircanada014 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 16):
And, AC doesn't use Rolls-Royce Engines

AC uses rolls royce engines on A340-500 and A330-300

KELPkid · Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 18):
AC uses rolls royce engines on A340-500 and A330-300

BOE773 is very anti-Rolls Royce, and the post was a joke silly

northstardc4m · Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 17):
If no one else beats me to it, I will gladly add a trip report!

April 8th:

AC412

Toronto, Pearson Int'l (YYZ)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
13:00 - Terminal 1

Montreal, Trudeau (YUL)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
14:10
0 1hr10 77W
AC419

Montreal, Trudeau (YUL)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
16:00

Toronto, Pearson Int'l (YYZ)
Sun 08-Apr 2007
17:18 - Terminal 1
0 1hr18 E75

but dont let that keep you from posting a trip report! (plus you never know, i might get EQPSWP on the 77W sooooo....)

VonRichtofen · Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
That has typically become the North American norm. Customers in Asia & the Middle East, are more likely to pay extra largely based on an airlines quality & reputation--SQ/CX/EY/EK, etc.

Yep, the "Wal-Martisization" of North America. Look how the standards are falling too... It's like this continent is going backwards.

Kris

BOE773 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:33 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 19):
BOE773 is very anti-Rolls Royce, and the post was a joke

Where did you ever get that idea, KELPkid.
I just tease a lot, so don't take me too seriously wink

RR build a darn fine pony.

cftoa · Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting CAN2YYZ (Reply 1):
Anybody trying it out on YYZ-YUL ?

I am very tempted to buy a ticket for the 7th.. ACA412 is supposedly operated by the "77W" as AC has called it.. The return flight for me would be ACA417, on the same ship

The price really isn't that bad.. It's really tempting, but I only work part time and can just afford it LOL what do you guys think? worth it or not? Thanks.
just for the record, how many of you guys are going? I would be bored all on my own, and doubt I would go then.

Cheers.

[Edited 2007-03-28 03:46:12]

Olympus69 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):

The first revenue flight, IF I'm understanding correctly, is the flight from YUL - LHR on the 7th.[/quote]
No you're not The flight to LHR on the 7th is AC856 from YYZ

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 6):
Then it will fly from LHR - YYZ on the 8th, and then YYZ-YUL and back later that day on the 8th...?

That part seems to be correct, but there are 3 YYZ-YUL-YYZ roundtrips on April 5 (406, 411, 414,419, 422, 427). 1.5 round trips on he 6th (409, 412, 417), and 1 on April 7th. (412, 417). These 2 are on the 8th also. I you want the times check www.aircanada.ca.
Those YYZ-YUL-YYZ trips are shown on the AC website as of 9:30 this evening.

John

FLYACYYZ · Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:05 pm

A further change throughout the afternoon...it appears that the first 856 YYZ-LHR has been moved up to the 6th from the 7th. Given the pre-service modifications taking place in YUL, I think this overly optimistic and ambitious. Stay tuned...will probably change a dozen times before lift-off.

FLYACYYZ · Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 24):
The first revenue flight, IF I'm understanding correctly, is the flight from YUL - LHR on the 7th.

No you're not The flight to LHR on the 7th is AC856 from YYZ[/quote]

YUL > International is not even on the radar for at least the first 4 deliveries. In order of deployment the plan is:

YYZ-LHR
YYZ-FRA
YYZ-NRT
YVR-NRT
YYZ-PEK
YYZ-HKG

Olympus69 · Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:09 pm

I messed up the first quote but the edit I tried was not allowed, even though it was only 19 second after I had posted it.
The quote should be the first line only.

timeair · Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:22 pm

AC856 YYZ 1810 LHR 0625+1

Ops with 77W on 6TH APRIL !!!

BUT.......

1st REVENUE flt ops with the 77W is AC406 YYZ-YUL 05APR YYZ 1000 YUL 1113...as

-OLYMPUS69- noted in reply 24

accargo · Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:55 pm

I think a lot of people are being overly optimistic about an acft that hasn't even arrived yet. There are so many things that can happen once it gets to YUL that can cause the whole schedule to change. Certainly there are tentative plans but there are NO assignments for this acft as yet in the ops system. The delivery flight isn't even entered yet.

cayman · Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:34 pm

I agree with ACCARGO, there are so many things that can and probably will happen to alter schedules. I genuinely hope that all of the people who have booked flights and modified itineraries actually get the 77W. And we will all be looking forward to trip reports!

yooyoo · Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:45 pm

Here's an arcticle from the Toronto Sun.

http://www.torontosun.com/Money/2007/03/28/3852893-sun.html

Nothing new, just wanted to share

drgmobile · Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:26 pm

I don't - the average consumer can't tell the difference between one airplane and the next. But if it saves them $3, they'll take a completely different airline.

Most ordinary people can easily adjust their schedule (to a degree) to accomodate their holidays or travel arrangements. If they need to re-schedule by a day or two, most people can do that and do it.

Mainline airlines don't gear their business to "ordinary people" (whatever that means) or the "average consumer," they gear them to suit the needs of their most important customers -- the premium business/frequent traveller for whom product quality, schedule, and the perks that come with FF status are vitally important.

Sure, the leisure traveller and frugal business traveller are vitally important market segments but generally competitive pricing/product allows the carrier to ensure it will keep a healthy share of this traffic. But being first in the minds of these travellers doesn't keep AC execs up at night, and you need only look at where AC is spending the majority of its marketing and product development efforts to see that.

BOE773 · Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:57 am

BA will probably drop their ticket costs for a while for fear of losing pax to a superior product.

BlueShamu330s · Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 33):
BA will probably drop their ticket costs for a while for fear of losing pax to a superior product.

You're referring to the seasonal Air Transat service to LHR, of course.... stirthepot

Shamu

kearney · Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting CAN2YYZ (Reply 1):
Anybody trying it out on YYZ-YUL ?

Yeah! April 11th im doing the turn on it! I wonder if they will make me get off the plane before the flight back! lol

BOE773 · Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 34):

Man I'd walk on water across the pond before I'd ride in one of those AT sardine cans.
That is cruelty to humans in those dinky seats with knees in the air.
AT's config adds to air rage, then some booze and now we've got a war in the tube.!

FLYACYYZ · Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 33):
BA will probably drop their ticket costs for a while for fear of losing pax to a superior product.

I don't think BA is shaking in their boots. They still provide a formidable product and competition.

Olympus69 · Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting Accargo (Reply 29):
I think a lot of people are being overly optimistic about an acft that hasn't even arrived yet. There are so many things that can happen once it gets to YUL that can cause the whole schedule to change. Certainly there are tentative plans but there are NO assignments for this acft as yet in the ops system. The delivery flight isn't even entered yet.

You're right of course, but it makes it difficult to know what to do if one just wants to take the first flight to YUL and/or back. I guess the best thing to do is to follow the schedules closely and leave booking the flight until as late as possible - hoping that the flight won't be sold out. Hmm.. maybe if I tell them I'm a YYZ Airport Watch member they'll save me a seat. Actually, April 7th. would be perfect for me - it happens to be my 80th birthday

[Edited 2007-03-28 23:53:58]

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