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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:42 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 46):
Is it completely out of the question that these five 777-200ERs and the three 787-9s are for Air New Zealand? They've been ordering 787s in small lots and they could use the 777-200ERs. Just a thought...

That might be the case. But I've also been thinking about PK, since they operate those three versions of the 777, and the rest of the fleet (the non-777 part of it) was recently banned from flying into Europe. Not too far-fetched?
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:17 pm

Quoting SafetyDude (Reply 39):

Customer #1:

The KLM rumored order (2 773's and 4 738's) seems most plausible.

Customer #2 & 3

15 73G's
5 772's
3 789's

Customer #4

US for 2 777LR's (interim) plus the 788's and potentially the 3 789's and/or 5 772's. The only catch to that logic is that US would have added on the 739's they've been discussing, unless of course they went w/A321's when cancelling A350 order.

It's a long way to the Paris show - lots of speculation ahead!
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting Sangas (Reply 49):
Here's an interesting graphic from Randy's most recent blog entry:

I think it would also be interesting if he would chart things out like this over the entire delivery history of all the airframes. Might make for some interesting debate.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Brendows (Reply 50):
That might be the case. But I've also been thinking about PK, since they operate those three versions of the 777, and the rest of the fleet (the non-777 part of it) was recently banned from flying into Europe. Not too far-fetched?

I think you hit the nail on the head here. They do NEED the 787 ASAP (or any other Long haul plane for that matter) since their older planes were banned from Europe. If I was a betting man, I'd put my $$ on PK.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 52):
I think it would also be interesting if he would chart things out like this over the entire delivery history of all the airframes. Might make for some interesting debate.

Why does he need to? You can download Boeing's entire order history into Excel. They even give you the link.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:25 am

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 45):
Airbus is having a very good quarter too.

In term of units sold, yes. In terms of value, not so much. Their order value is 1/3 that of Boeing. However, it's early and anything could happen between now and the end of year

I just hope they're not discounting what they're selling too heavily to save face. Seems like a lot of folks look at the number of units sold and not dollar amount anyways.

Boeing 1st quarter

net orders: 185
narrow body: 38
wide body: 147

At list prices: $29Billion

Airbus 1st quarter

net orders: 134
narrow body: 117
wide body: 17  cry 

At list prices: $11.6Billion

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...bbdigboeing07.html?syndication=rss
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:23 pm

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 12):
787 UFO's:

Model Order Date Total
787-8 28-Jul-2006 2
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11
787-8 18-Jan-2007 2
787-8 24-Jan-2007 2
787-9 09-Mar-2007 15
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3
787-8 30-Mar-2007 15

Actually, the correct way to view this is:

787-8 28-Jul-2006 2
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11
787-8 18-Jan-2007 2
787-8 24-Jan-2007 2
787-9 09-Mar-2007 15
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3


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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:55 pm

Quoting 7cubed (Reply 55):
In term of units sold, yes. In terms of value, not so much.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters in sales is value, not units.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:01 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 57):
At the end of the day, the only thing that matters in sales is value, not units.

Airbus has about 250 pending widebody orders, so if they can firm them up this year, that's a big thing!
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting 7cubed (Reply 55):
Airbus 1st quarter

net orders: 134
narrow body: 117
wide body: 17

The Seattle Times didn't bother to check their facts. Net orders for Airbus for 1Q 2007 are only 122, made up of 117 narrow bodies and only 5 wide-bodies. The Seattle Times missed the 10 A380 cancellations by UPS.

When you take the above into consideration, and using the street-prices as shown by the Teal Group, Boeing booked about $20 billion to only about $5 billion for Airbus - a factor of 4 to 1, not 3 to 1.

In terms of delivery value, Boeing and Airbus delivered about $7 billion each for the quarter.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:56 pm

Boeing are ahead in the unit race? I hadn't realised. I thought Airbus narrowbodies were keeping them ahead.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 56):
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3

I am guessing another CO 787 order......bringing the totals to 10 788 + 20 789 with 10 options remaining. And, with this number of 787s on firm delivery, the 762ERs can leave the CO fleet for their next life as freighters.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 38):
Unidentified Customer Unidentified Unidentified 737-800 CF 30-Mar-2007 4
Unidentified Customer Unidentified Unidentified 777-300ER GE 30-Mar-2007 2

I agree with some of the posts above, sounds like KLM.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 56):
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11

Is this the recently announced Avianca order?
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 61):
I am guessing another CO 787 order

Nope. All four UFO orders booked on 30-March are from new customers.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 61):
Is this the recently announced Avianca order?

No, that has already been identified and removed from the UFO list (was booked Oct.). This is still UFO. The current "best guess" is that this belongs to TUIfly.


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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 56):
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3

let's try another guess:
Gulf Air / Pakistan Intl / Royal Jordanian are my top picks for 3 of the 4 as my earlier guess of KLM seems to be wrong
GF and PK would also be candidates for some of the 777's
how many hits????

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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 56):
Actually, the correct way to view this is:

787-8 28-Jul-2006 2
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11
787-8 18-Jan-2007 2
787-8 24-Jan-2007 2
787-9 09-Mar-2007 15
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3

Thx Hamlet69 for the breakdown. So....a swag at it....

787-8 28-Jul-2006 2------> ??
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11 ------> TUI
787-8 18-Jan-2007 2 ------> ILFC
787-8 24-Jan-2007 2 -------> CO
787-9 09-Mar-2007 15 -------> VS
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8 --------> Gulf
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5 --------> RJ
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2 ------->PK
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3 -------> ??
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 56):
Actually, the correct way to view this is:

787-8 28-Jul-2006 2
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11
787-8 18-Jan-2007 2
787-8 24-Jan-2007 2
787-9 09-Mar-2007 15
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3

Thx Hamlet69 for the breakdown. So....a swag at it....

787-8 28-Jul-2006 2------> ??
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11 ------> TUI
787-8 18-Jan-2007 2 ------> ILFC
787-8 24-Jan-2007 2 -------> CO
787-9 09-Mar-2007 15 -------> VS
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8 --------> Gulf
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5 --------> RJ
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2 ------->PK
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3 -------> ??
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 60):
Boeing are ahead in the unit race? I hadn't realised. I thought Airbus narrowbodies were keeping them ahead.

Oddly, Boeing widebodies have been outselling Airbus narrowbodies lately. I don't believe that can long continue. I'm confident that, for the year, Airbus narrowbodies will outsell Boeing widebodies in unit count, though probably not in dollar value, which is what really counts.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 66):
Airbus narrowbodies will outsell Boeing widebodies in unit count, though probably not in dollar value, which is what really counts.

Boeing have said (Carson) that they're not going to ramp up production to meet excess market demand. I suspect that they consider themselves 'full up' with 737 orders and are only accepting more as delivery slots become available. It's even possible that they're already talking to customers about the 737 replacement.

Boeing's current commercial dominance is staggering. On the Seatlle Times' figures (based on list prices) the respective market shares by value are Boeing $29B. ((72%), Airbus $11.6B. (28%).

Bearing in mind that a lot of the A330s sold or leased are part of compensation deals on A380 delays, and that any 'confrmed' A350XWB orders are likely to be at 'old A350' prices - while Boeing is facing virtually no competition for the 777, and therefore has no need to discount heavily - the value split is probably even more in Boeing's favour than the 'list price' figures suggest.

Boeing could have as much as 80% of market share by value sewn up at the moment.

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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 60):
Boeing are ahead in the unit race? I hadn't realised. I thought Airbus narrowbodies were keeping them ahead.

January was a big month for Airbus and a nothing month for Boeing. This can be explained by Boeing wanting to win and encouraging airlines to "pay up" in December, but Airbus conceding the race in early December, publicly, and not doing a 2005 December style push. Instead, getting many deals signed in January 2007, to get a jump start on the year.

It's why the whole "race" thing is kind of silly. Two weeks don't make much difference in the lifecycle of an airline, aircraft or manufacturer.

Now, Airbus is likely holding back for Paris like they did two years ago, and we'll see a flurry of announcements and firming. Boeing isn't as big into that, though we will see some of those same tactics as CUSTOMERS may want a big splash on an international stage.

And of course, Boeing might save the 787-10 announcement for Paris, though they didn't wait for airshows to launch the 7E7 or 748, so there isn't history to go by to back up the Paris 787-10 announcement.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 67):
Bearing in mind that a lot of the A330s sold or leased are part of compensation deals on A380 delays, and that any 'confrmed' A350XWB orders are likely to be at 'old A350' prices - while Boeing is facing virtually no competition for the 777, and therefore has no need to discount heavily - the value split is probably even more in Boeing's favour than the 'list price' figures suggest.

777 discounting in 2007 seems to be tracking similar to 2006. AVITAS figured an average of 41% in 2006 with BA getting 36% off their four 772ERs in 2007 and PA 42% off their two 773ERs. KE's discount for the 747F/777F/738 order was a combined 43%.

In 2005, 777 discounts were running about 30%. So Boeing could be seeing some 777 pricing pressure from the A350XWB, which is seeing projected discounting upwards of 50%, especially for large and/or strategic orders like QR and SU.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 68):
Now, Airbus is likely holding back for Paris like they did two years ago, and we'll see a flurry of announcements and firming. Boeing isn't as big into that, though we will see some of those same tactics as CUSTOMERS may want a big splash on an international stage.

Rumor has it that Boeing and its customers will be playing the Paris Air Show game in a very big way this year.......supposedly there are several rather big and surprising orders that are already confirmed and shall be announced at Paris. Allegedly, some of the announcements will be especially painful to Airbus, since it seems that Boeing has sold a good number of airplanes to some longstanding Airbus customers (you know the ones that I mean, the ones that many a.net members claim will never buy Boeing and will continue with Airbus due to commonality) and the announcement of these orders in Paris will increase the dramatic impact. Only time will tell.....but it does seem that Boeing, after years of letting AIrbus steal the media spotlight, has decided that its ready to play.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 68):
And of course, Boeing might save the 787-10 announcement for Paris, though they didn't wait for airshows to launch the 7E7 or 748, so there isn't history to go by to back up the Paris 787-10 announcement.

Could be.....and the launch customers could be airlines that were absolutely positively and certainly going to order the A350 in ridiculouly large numbers.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:34 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 69):
777 discounting in 2007 seems to be tracking similar to 2006.

You had mentioned earlier that the discounted price of the -200LR was just marginally more than a discounted -200ER.
Could you please tell us whether that is still the case from the latest AVITAS data? Thank you.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 70):
Rumor has it that Boeing and its customers will be playing the Paris Air Show game in a very big way this year.......supposedly there are several rather big and surprising orders that are already confirmed and shall be announced at Paris.

Frankly it makes sense. Airbus is going to be possibly announcing three large A350XWB orders - QR for 80, SU for 22 and SQ for 20. Boeing will want to have something big, as well, to counter that momentum so a 787-10 launch with some large orders plus some former Airbus-dominant manufacturers choosing the 787 with or over the A350XWB makes sense.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 71):
You had mentioned earlier that the discounted price of the -200LR was just marginally more than a discounted -200ER. Could you please tell us whether that is still the case from the latest AVITAS data? Thank you.

So far, no 772LRs have been ordered this year so I don't have any specific data. I also have not yet been able to find the AVITAS data for the Virgin Blue 773ER order (the Seattle Times usually lists it but they have not carried the order that I can find).

The latest valuation data (what a plane is worth "on delivery" if it was immediately re-sold) is $134 million for a 772LR and $131 million for a 772ER. This represents a 42% discount off list for the 772LR and 35% for the 772ER.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 70):
Rumor has it that Boeing and its customers will be playing the Paris Air Show game in a very big way this year...

Well, last Paris show, people thought Boeing wouldn't save up orders and Airbus did jump ahead, only to fall behind for much of the rest of the year before having a killer December.

It's ultimately up to the customer in most cases, unless Boeing has booked 787-10 orders that they can't announce.

Or 737RS orders...  Wink
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 30):
If it is true then I'm just waiting on AF's 787 order!



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 47):
AF-KLM is going to order the A350/B787 at the same time as a joint order

I really think AF will order the A350. In a move to get AY for mx contracts, AF proposes a mx package for the A340 AND A350 ! That says a lot IMO.
AF / KL will need both the A350 and the B787 with most of the A350 for AF and most of B787 for KL. A350-900 and -1000 to replace older 777 / A340 / MD11, B787-8 & -9 to replace A330 / A340.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 73):
Or 737RS orders...

It's way too early IMO, with a design phase of 3-4 years, it'd mean EIS in 2010-2011. And the B787 hasn't flown yet, so lots of data are not yet available to better optimize the 737RS. I see a 737RS launch in 2009 for an EIS in 2012.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 72):
So far, no 772LRs have been ordered this year so I don't have any specific data.

The Boeing Orders database shows that 6 UFO 772LR's have been ordered so far in 2007.

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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 74):
I really think AF will order the A350. In a move to get AY for mx contracts, AF proposes a mx package for the A340 AND A350 ! That says a lot IMO.
AF / KL will need both the A350 and the B787 with most of the A350 for AF and most of B787 for KL. A350-900 and -1000 to replace older 777 / A340 / MD11, B787-8 & -9 to replace A330 / A340.

I don't think AF will order the A350. The A350 is up to version 6 (AL-LI, Comoposite panels, barrells like 787???)and is a fairly strong indication of how good the 787 is and how bad Airbus have responded. The big problem for AF is the lack of GE power for the 1000 version of the A350.

I believe the 77W/GE combo which has performed VERY well for AF will tip AF towards 787 the same way the fiasco with the A346/RR and A380 debacle coupled with the floundering around with A350 design will turn them off the A350.

Quite simply they will go for more of same success ie 787/GE to go with the 777/GE they love so much.

Whether you like it or not AF don't like RR engines and they will buy what is best suited for them despite Toulouse being in the back yard and you have got to admire them for that.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 75):
The Boeing Orders database shows that 6 UFO 772LR's have been ordered so far in 2007.

That would explain why I have seen no data.  Smile Once the customers are announced, I should be able to get the AVITAS data for them.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:21 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 56):
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2

One airline no one seems to be mentioning for the 787 is HA. I could definitely see them ordering a small quantity to start with, used primarily for expansion. Could one of the above be for them?  crossfingers 
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 74):

It's way too early IMO, with a design phase of 3-4 years, it'd mean EIS in 2010-2011. And the B787 hasn't flown yet, so lots of data are not yet available to better optimize the 737RS. I see a 737RS launch in 2009 for an EIS in 2012.

Makes me wonder if some/all of the 15 737-700s aren't converted options for us (SWA) in the 2009 time frame...



Firm Orders, Options and Purchase Rights for Boeing 737-700 Aircraft


Delivery Year
Firm Orders Options Purchase Rights Total

2007
37 — — 37
2008
30 4 — 34
2009
18 18 — 36
2010
10 32 — 42
2011
10 30 — 40
2012
10 30 — 40
2008-2014
— — 54 54

Totals
115 114 54 283
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 76):
Whether you like it or not AF don't like RR engines and they will buy what is best suited for them despite Toulouse being in the back yard and you have got to admire them for that.

didn't stop them using RR on their caravelles!
how much of AFs affection for GE in the last 2 decades is due to Snecmas involvement in the GE engines?? because Snecma/Safran itself is not on the GEnx project. IIRC there is some safran subsidiary which supplies some small component but safran itself is not a risk sharing partner unlike almost all the previous CF6/GE90s.
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 76):
Quite simply they will go for more of same success ie 787/GE to go with the 777/GE they love so much.

You're right, AF love GE, but they're not married. Moreover, who knows what GE will do for an engine EIS in 2015 ? That's 8 years away. They might very well go for the -1000 one day. Same as BA saying "We'll never order the A380" to now "We can imagine ordering 10-15" and probably finally ordering it one day, sooner or later...

I also think the B787 will be part of AF fleet, but you'll find out that the A350 also will (that's my opinion).
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 70):
Rumor has it that Boeing and its customers will be playing the Paris Air Show game in a very big way this year.......supposedly there are several rather big and surprising orders that are already confirmed and shall be announced at Paris. Allegedly, some of the announcements will be especially painful to Airbus, since it seems that Boeing has sold a good number of airplanes to some longstanding Airbus customers (you know the ones that I mean, the ones that many a.net members claim will never buy Boeing and will continue with Airbus due to commonality) and the announcement of these orders in Paris will increase the dramatic impact. Only time will tell.....but it does seem that Boeing, after years of letting AIrbus steal the media spotlight, has decided that its ready to play.

Although there will be surprises, you can never be sure.... And remember that surprises works both ways... not only will Airbus carriers go for Boeing jets, but Boeing carriers go for Airbus jets....
An example of such situation is AV, a long term Boeing customer, which has decided (yet to be confirmed) to replace their short-haul fleet of MD-80s & B757s with A320s.... Most people close to AV would say how AV would keep ordering only from Boeing.... now, although they did ordered the B787, it appears that a couple of A330s will come as well... So you really don't know....
And don't forget about the possibility of BA going for A380s.... Who would have thought of it a few months back? So at the end of the day, it won't matter who orders, airlines are free to choose whatever they want, and if having both manufacturer's aircraft fit their business, they will do just that....
I just hope the market stays balanced, as it only benefits the airlines, with no monopoly from just one manufacturer... So you'll see that the B787, although great airplane, will start to loose its huge margin as the A350XWB starts gaining orders and as time goes by... in 10 years, I don't think you'll see a gap of 4 to 1 on any aircraft manufactured from any company against the other... I think you'll see a very close race... so Airbus or Boeing long term isn't exactly bad, they'll both end up right there... Boeing will never be the sole king of aircraft manufacture again, nor will Airbus push Boeing around... they'll fight but will always level out...
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 82):
their short-haul fleet of MD-80s & B757s with A320s

MD80s were not bought from Boeing.

And beginning to replace the fleet with A320s doesn't mean that down the line, when a proper 757 replacement comes along from Airbus or Boeing, it won't also end up with AV.

Just to be clear.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 56):
Actually, the correct way to view this is:

787-8 28-Jul-2006 2
787-8 15-Sep-2006 11
787-8 18-Jan-2007 2
787-8 24-Jan-2007 2
787-9 09-Mar-2007 15
787-8 30-Mar-2007 8
787-8 30-Mar-2007 5
787-8 30-Mar-2007 2
787-9 30-Mar-2007 3

Boeing said that as of March 30, 2007 they have 514 orders from 36 customers. Assuming the single PrivatAir order is lumped in with BBJ as Boeing has done on their web site then they have 36 identified customers on their order books meaning that there are 7 unique customers who are UFO. We all pretty much agree that the Jan. 18th order is from ILFC so of the nine UFO order identified by Hamlet there are 8 UFO customer of which one more is also a repeat customer. Who is it? That'll leave 7 unique and new customerrs for the 787.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:16 pm

of the 9 UFO orders....

IMO,

repeats = CO, ILFC
New = VS, TUI, RJ, GF, PK, ??, ??

Also, KU seems to be in the market for 777+787...could it be they ordered and are awaiting for June to anounce?

Possibilty, however unlikely.. EI or US??
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 84):
Boeing said that as of March 30, 2007 they have 514 orders from 36 customers.

Impressive!  Smile

Will be interesting to see who the 77L 's are for.

Boeing really are taking advantage of Airbus's mishaps recently which is great to see, but over the next few years, things may be slightly more even  Smile
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:08 am

Courtesy: Pacific Business News

Continental Plans To Buy 30 Jets

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s.../daily34.html?b=1176091200^1445202
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 87):
Courtesy: Pacific Business News

Continental Plans To Buy 30 Jets

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s...45202

Not really news. These are bonds to finance orders that are lready announced and booked by Boeing. It's not an additional order.
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
That's 59 new orders and they are up to 185 net new orders for this year.

Not bad. Boeing won more orders in the first quarter of 2007 than it had in 2006. 185 vs 176.

Airbus is having a very good quarter too.

Cheers.

It must be added, to assess the situation, that the BOEING orders are nearly all wide bodies, whilst in the case of AIRBUS the vast majority are A320s. Dollarwise the difference is therefore much larger.

I am not so sure that in PARIS we will hear to many real new order, but possibly some other BS ones

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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting CV747F (Reply 63):
Gulf Air / Pakistan Intl / Royal Jordanian are my top picks for 3 of the 4 as my earlier guess of KLM seems to be wrong

Didn't Gulf Air's BOD just decide that they were shrinking the carrier to 28 jets and that those jets were all going to be Airbus SAS?

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 70):
Boeing has sold a good number of airplanes to some longstanding Airbus customers (you know the ones that I mean, the ones that many a.net members claim will never buy Boeing and will continue with Airbus due to commonality)

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Quoting Stitch (Reply 72):
A350XWB orders - QR for 80,

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME...what the hell are QR going to do with 80 A350's????????? There's pride, there's arrogrance but this seems like stupidity!!!!! I guess they think that their natural gas reserves will be around and that they never need to make a profit. I'm sure i'll get flammed for this but c'mon!  duck 
 
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RE: Boeing Orders Update For 4/3/2007

Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting RoyalAtlantis (Reply 90):
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME...what the hell are QR going to do with 80 A350's?

Replace (over time) 18 A330-200s, 13 A330-300s, 4 A340-600s, 6 777-200LRs and 14 777-300ERs and allow for expansion, I imagine.

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