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Airbus A380 - SQ Cabin Furnishing Completed.

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:45 pm

4 April 2007
CABIN FURNISHING FOR FIRST SINGAPORE AIRLINES A380


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Cabin furnishing of the first production A380 was completed in early April and is being tested prior to final delivery to Singapore Airlines.

The first production A380 - MSN003- due to enter service with Singapore Airlines later this year, reached the end of the cabin systems test phase on 4 April. Installation of the aircraft’s cabin at the A380 final assembly line in Hamburg was finished on 21 March and since then Airbus’ engineers and systems specialists have been performing a range of tests on the newly installed systems to check that they are working as expected.

The A380 programme team has been working with Singapore’s three on-site representatives throughout cabin furnishing to ensure that they are closely involved in decisions at every stage. And from 5 to 10 April, 30 representatives of Singapore Airlines including senior management are visiting the FAL to gain a comprehensive overview of the aircraft and its cabin systems as part of the customer pre-acceptance phase.

This phase of production has run very smoothly and, while details of the cabin remain secret, those working on the FAL are excited by the results achieved. “We are entering a new world of cabin furnishing,” said Peter Hahn head of the A380 FAL in Hamburg. “This cabin interior looks fantastic and brings a brand new dimension to the onboard experience that Singapore Airlines can offer its passengers.”

Once the pre-acceptance phase has been completed, the aircraft will be painted in the Singapore livery and undergo more systems analysis on the ground before its cabin first flight in the summer to test cabin system performance in the air.


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Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:57 pm

Seems early. Isn't this a380 to be delivered in october or something? Are they preparing an early delivery or does the required testing take that much time? Good news anyway for SQ.
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:03 pm

Cabin performance in the air will be the key here.
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:04 pm

Once the first passengers have experienced the flights with the A380,a massive pressure will build up for airlines to offer similar premises..
The silence in the A380 cabin will become a most remarkable feature,as will the space. I have no worries as to the future sale of the A380 .Airbus bashers will feel sorry in some years ....
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:17 pm

Great news for SIA, I heard thta the Business Class is going to be 5 accross on the upper deck. How that ging to be laid out, 1-2-2, 2-1-2, 2-2-1 or 1-3-1 ? With those huge seats, like the ones just introduced on the 773ER, 5 is an odd number to have per row.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
The first production A380 - MSN003- due to enter service with Singapore Airlines later this year

MSN003 will be the first aircraft delivered? Was that always the plan? I thought it was a developmental airframe that would only enter airline service later.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:26 pm

Fantastic!

Cannot wait to see - or even experience it!

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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
MSN003 will be the first aircraft delivered? Was that always the plan?

Yes.

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
I thought it was a developmental airframe that would only enter airline service later.

The test aircraft (2, 4, & 7) are going to EY, MSN 1 stays with Airbus.
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
The silence in the A380 cabin will become a most remarkable feature,as will the space.

I don't know about the space. It's gonna feel the same I guess. It's not like the upperdeck's floor is transparent so you can feel the massiveness of the aircraft.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
Seems early. Isn't this a380 to be delivered in october or something? Are they preparing an early delivery or does the required testing take that much time? Good news anyway for SQ.

I am not sure how effective the service of just one A380 at SQ. I think the first delivery will also be tied to second and third airframe.

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Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):
The test aircraft (2, 4, & 7) are going to EY

MSN009, the flight-test aircraft for the EA (GP7200) powered variant, is ultimately bound for EY as well. At one time MSN007 was to be re-engined for a time to EA power for route-proving and then back to RR for delivery to EY. Is this still part of the plan?

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:00 am

This is the thing i dont understand with the A380. They have at least built 9 aircraft havent they?? Now they then changed the plans to the aircraft to allow for the pipes of the IFE (or whatever was the problem with the origional batch) so they are now repairing the models that were built already for delivery to SQ and other customers.
Surley they could restart the producton line and just deliver the new aircraft to SQ and give other airframes (when they become available) to SQ and other customers. I say this because the A380 has been certified now for at least 4 months!!
Also why is there only going to be a small amount of deliveries in the next couple of years. Once they have solved the problems you'd think that they would want to get as many out as physically possible!!
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
CABIN FURNISHING FOR FIRST SINGAPORE AIRLINES A380

Glad to see the big plane finally coming along.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
Once the first passengers have experienced the flights with the A380,a massive pressure will build up for airlines to offer similar premises..
The silence in the A380 cabin will become a most remarkable feature,as will the space. I have no worries as to the future sale of the A380 .Airbus bashers will feel sorry in some years ....

I would certainly hope it's more quiet. . . I mean with the new engines and their distance from the fuselage, and the overall size of the plane it definitely should be quieter overall. The plane will be bigger but I'm not so sure about the sense of spaciousness. I don't think there will be any significant pressure for airlines to offer similar premises. . . Singapore has always has top-notch cabin furnishings, the A380 will be no different.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 15):
Surley they could restart the producton line and just deliver the new aircraft to SQ and give other airframes (when they become available) to SQ and other customers. I say this because the A380 has been certified now for at least 4 months!!

It really depends on how well (tidily) they "shut down" production in the first place. Different suppliers are at different levels of completion; for example, one facility may be working on the 20th wing, and another facility may only be on the 16th horizontal stabilizer. . . then you get into all the kits, individual assemblies, what's been shipped, what hasn't, etc and it can get pretty tricky to properly restart and adjust the production ramp-up. I'm not saying they can't do it; there are plenty of smart people at Airbus, I'm just saying it's not as simple as restarting the production line and just delivering new aircraft. The A380 may be type certified, but AFAIK Airbus has yet to obtain a production certificate for the A380.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 10):
It's not like the upperdeck's floor is transparent so you can feel the massiveness of the aircraft.

I think that a transparent floor would be a very cool feature indeed.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
The silence in the A380 cabin will become a most remarkable feature,as will the space. I have no worries as to the future sale of the A380 .Airbus bashers will feel sorry in some years ....

Now the space argument I don't know that I buy into. The lower deck is just a bit bigger than a 747 lower deck, the upper deck is much closer to A330/340 width, and when you are on one deck, the other deck means nothing to you, it's like two separate planes. As for noise, I was under the belief it would be similar, if not slightly improved over A340, which is very quiet, but it won't be noticably different from say, an A340 for most pax.

Additionally, next year 787 will go into service, using newer engines, and using more advanced materials... i don't know yet whether Boeing's promise of 787 being the quietest jet flying will be true, but it should at least mirror A380 for peace in the sky.

A380 will be a great aircraft to fly I'm sure, I don't see it ever getting too many orders, as the market for VLA's is not huge.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 18):
I think that a transparent floor would be a very cool feature indeed.

It'd just make a whole lot heavier.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 19):
As for noise, I was under the belief it would be similar, if not slightly improved over A340, which is very quiet, but it won't be noticably different from say, an A340 for most pax.

The A380 is an improvement over the A340. I have flown on both.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 13):
That's a cheap shot someone had to take. Be prepared 4 surprises in terms of A380 deliveries in 2007...

Yeah he knew what he was saying and just had to add it in !!!! Waste of a post and un called for IMHO.

The target date is October 2007 as everyone knows. I wouldnt be suprised to see a Aug/Sept delivery which will be earlier than predicted. Great to see things comming along and cant wait to see the SQ cabin. It will look amazing me thinks.

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 18):
I think that a transparent floor would be a very cool feature indeed.

There's a cool picture of a transparent floor on the new BBJ-787. You can see down into the cargo section (where a car has been parked for transport). Very cool! Imagine this being the 380 and being able to look down and see passengers below. It'd feel like a double-decker commuter train or something  Smile

Hit this link: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/bbj/index.html

Then click the "private" pane in the image. Select the 787 then flip through the floor plans. The one with the transparent floor is floorplan #4. The floor is actually in the "bar" section of the private plane. Very nice.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 1):
Seems early. Isn't this a380 to be delivered in october or something? Are they preparing an early delivery or does the required testing take that much time?

The aircraft cannot be delivered yet anyway, because Airbus hasn't received the production certificate of the A380. The aircraft may have been certificated as airworthy, but without the production certificate (which under regular circunstances is also awarded with the airworthiness certificate), they cannot ramp up production and possibly not deliver aircraft.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Great news for SIA, I heard thta the Business Class is going to be 5 accross on the upper deck. How that ging to be laid out, 1-2-2, 2-1-2, 2-2-1 or 1-3-1 ? With those huge seats, like the ones just introduced on the 773ER, 5 is an odd number to have per row.

Isn't the upper deck of the A380 narrower than the main deck of the 77W? The 77W was made for 9 abreast Y class (with exceptions like EK) and the A380 was made for 8 abreast upper-deck Y class.

I would expect a 4 abreast biz class on the upper-deck (1-2-1) and a 4 abreast first class on the main deck (1-2-1). This means every premium seat (except Y+, if they do eventually offer that, although I wouldn't call it "premium") will have direct aisle access, but first will still have the wider cabin.

Anyway, great that SQ are finally getting the A380 ready, what do you guys believe the chance of SQ having their A380 delivered earlier than the present delivery schedule (and maybe all deliverys moved forward)?

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 19):
Additionally, next year 787 will go into service, using newer engines, and using more advanced materials... i don't know yet whether Boeing's promise of 787 being the quietest jet flying will be true, but it should at least mirror A380 for peace in the sky.

Your name says it all, so I understand your eagerness to make sure you speak of the 787 as the best aircraft experience in all fronts, but are you really serious about Boeing making a promise that the 787 will be the quietest jet flying? I have never heard of such claim, so I would really appreciate a source.... now, most trip reports of the A380 state that they were impressed with the silence in the cabin (even those that flew on the A340), so maybe you should check those TR and come back afterwards.... bottom line, the A380 is and will be for the foreseeable future the most quiet aircraft in the sky.... just learn to accept that the A380 has its advantages in some areas over the 787... besides, they are 2 totally different planes.... the 787 makes a lot of sense to airlines, but don't expect it to be the most amazing aircraft around when it comes to in-cabin comfort... it will be an excellent performer aircraft, but most pax will never really see it as the "incredible" aircraft that 787 fans claim it to be, simply because is another twin with 2 aisles and a typical configuration... So the A380, specially the SQ, will always be a huge step above the 787 as far as cabin comfort.... You will never have a F class product on any other aircraft than what airlines like SQ will offer on their A380s.... just wait and see until they unveil it... you'll be wishing the 787 had those!!!

BTW, I have nothing against the 787, I think is an amazing airplane, but there are always those who insist in comparing the A380 against the 787 when those are NOT at all in the same class... can you 787 fans just compare apples vs apples? You must compare the 787 against the 777 or 330/340 or 350.... those are sorta the competitors and the airplanes that the 787 must beat in all fronts, not the A380..... the A380 is way out of its league... literally....
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 24):
Isn't the upper deck of the A380 narrower than the main deck of the 77W? The 77W was made for 9 abreast Y class (with exceptions like EK) and the A380 was made for 8 abreast upper-deck Y class.

The upper deck on the A380 is about 50-55 cm narrower than the main deck on the 777.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:19 am

Great news!

This is the second clear confirmation the A380 is actually delayed by far less than the 2 years (actually it was 22 months) EADS has officially announced.

1- Emirates' first A380 will be ready mid summer already.

2- Singapore Airlines' first A380 is ready now.

Somehow I think we are going to see more than just 1 delivery this year....
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 23):
The aircraft cannot be delivered yet anyway, because Airbus hasn't received the production certificate of the A380.

I suppose that what applies to small planes applies to the largest as well. If the aircraft design is certified, then Airbus can commence deliveries, it's just that each plane has to be individually certified which is $$$ not cheap. I remember Cirrus doing that in the beginning with the first SR20s.

Quoting Atnight (Reply 25):
bottom line, the A380 is and will be for the foreseeable future the most quiet aircraft in the sky.... just learn to accept that the A380 has its advantages in some areas over the 787

Regardless if Boeing has claimed it or not, there is absolutely no way to compare the two aircraft when one hasn't even flown yet. Decibel levels can be measured pretty easily once that actually happens.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 13):
Be prepared 4 surprises in terms of A380 deliveries in 2007...

0 would be a surprise. 1 would not. 2 would be a surprise. 3 a bigger surprise. 4 would surprise me a lot.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 28):
Regardless if Boeing has claimed it or not, there is absolutely no way to compare the two aircraft when one hasn't even flown yet. Decibel levels can be measured pretty easily once that actually happens.

You also seem to believe that Boeing has claimed the 787 will be the quiest cabin in the sky.... Where and when has Boeing made such claim? please share, I really don't know about such comments.....
But if Boeing has not made such claim, why do you argue about the noise levels to be "proven" if Boeing isn't expecting to match or beat the A380 or even the A340 in that regard....
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 25):
now, most trip reports of the A380 state that they were impressed with the silence in the cabin (even those that flew on the A340), so maybe you should check those TR and come back afterwards.... bottom line, the A380 is and will be for the foreseeable future the most quiet aircraft in the sky....

Until Consumer Reports or some other impartial test organization is allowed to come on board airliners and conduct tests using properly calibrated equipment on the sound levels in each model of Boeing and Airbus aircraft, all this "___ is quieter" arguing is nothing more than subjective opinions of the people posting their impressions.

Sorry, but just because I fly on a ______ and post a trip report saying that _______ is the quietest/most comfortable/etc aircraft of its class doesn't make it so.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:55 am

Great news for Singapore and Airbus. Congratulations.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 13):
Be prepared 4 surprises in terms of A380 deliveries in 2007...

I'm not so sure about that. I think the airliners have already built the delays into their operating plans. It takes a while to introduce a new type, and a lot of planning. If Airbus beats the plan and prepares to deliver the Superjumbo a few months early, I would be sceptical if the airlines with near-term deliveries will accept the aircraft. Airliners with deliveries further out probably have more flexibility, so if the 2008 production rate for the Superjumbo can be increased, I'm sure they (and thus Airbus) will benefit.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Thebry (Reply 22):
Imagine this being the 380 and being able to look down and see passengers below.

Well... I'd much prefer being below and look under girls' skirt !

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 24):
The 77W was made for 9 abreast Y class (with exceptions like EK)

Also NH on domestic + soon SV and AF (whole fleet, not just the COI fleet).

Quoting Atnight (Reply 25):
you'll be wishing the 787 had those!

Indeed FlyD seems a bit biased. But I don't see why SQ wouldn't put the same product on their B787, although maybe on a 1-1-1 configuration if the F/C seats are that wide. This is just product standardization ; customers don't like it when they don't know which product they're gonna have on a flight... It remembers me French wines, for which depending on the year, you can have 2 different taste, quality, price for the same wine 'appelation' whereas 'new world' wines are allowed to mix grapes and hence get some consistency over year, ... customers like knowing what they pay for.

Quoting CygnusChicago (Reply 32):
If Airbus beats the plan and prepares to deliver the Superjumbo a few months early, I would be sceptical if the airlines with near-term deliveries will accept the aircraft.

Completely true. That's why I think that if Airbus can deliver earlier, they have/had informed the customers ASAP (in backstage of course).

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 28):
I suppose that what applies to small planes applies to the largest as well. If the aircraft design is certified, then Airbus can commence deliveries, it's just that each plane has to be individually certified which is $$$ not cheap.

True, which is why I'm sur Airbus is working hard on getting that production certificate.

Which leads me to the question on whether there's any news on the production certification of the A380 and if there's other progress to be reported.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting Thebry (Reply 22):
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 18):
I think that a transparent floor would be a very cool feature indeed.

There's a cool picture of a transparent floor on the new BBJ-787. You can see down into the cargo section

For a lower deck/cargo view it might be fine but upper deck? No women in skirts on the upper deck, thats for sure (or good forbid men in kilts!). Actually for all the middle east flights you'd get to see what men wear under their thawb (or khameez. Might be interesting. Big grin
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 25):
BTW, I have nothing against the 787, I think is an amazing airplane, but there are always those who insist in comparing the A380 against the 787 when those are NOT at all in the same class... can you 787 fans just compare apples vs apples? You must compare the 787 against the 777 or 330/340 or 350.... those are sorta the competitors and the airplanes that the 787 must beat in all fronts, not the A380..... the A380 is way out of its league... literally....

Well asking people to strictly compare the 787 to the A330/340 isn't always correct on your behalf. While the 787 and the A380 don't compete on a technical level, both planes do represent a set of competing strategies and outlooks. Boeings believes the future lies in more point-to-point ops, while Airbus(at the time) believed in more hub-to hub traffic.

This is the VHS & Betamax war for the airline industry, with the 787 turning out to be the VHS.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
4 April 2007
CABIN FURNISHING FOR FIRST SINGAPORE AIRLINES A380

Not to doubt you, but I cannot find the actual press release on both Airbus and EADS's website.
Search on google news also yielded nothing.

Could you point me to a direct link to the press release?

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
Once the first passengers have experienced the flights with the A380,a massive pressure will build up for airlines to offer similar premises..
The silence in the A380 cabin will become a most remarkable feature,as will the space. I have no worries as to the future sale of the A380 .Airbus bashers will feel sorry in some years ....

Sorry but I have to disagree. I'm sure the A380 will prove to be a good plane, but this doesn't mean it will translate into pressure for other carriers to buy A380s.

The Lockheed L1011 was also technologically advanced, but its delay into the market cost it many important orders and this aircraft program ended up losing money, causing Lockheed to exit the passenger aircraft business. I don't want to say the A380 will end up like the Tristar, but ontime delivery is very important. Airbus messed this up pretty spectacularly.

The A380 will be coming out at around the same time the Boeing 787 will be undergoing its testing and trials. The hype about the 787 will end up distracting other airlines away from the A380 I'm afraid. If the 787 program goes along her schedule, this will also focus negative attention on Airbus' failure to deliver the A380 on time.

I'm sure there will be more A380 sales, but in my view there may not be enough of them to help Airbus break even or make a profit. This is what really matters if Airbus is going to continue to do business in the future.

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:56 am

You need to check the A380 Navigator link on the Airbus web site!

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
I heard thta the Business Class is going to be 5 accross on the upper deck. How that ging to be laid out, 1-2-2, 2-1-2, 2-2-1 or 1-3-1 ?



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 24):
I would expect a 4 abreast biz class on the upper-deck (1-2-1) and a 4 abreast first class on the main deck (1-2-1).

Correct. SQ will fit 1-2-1 business class on the upper deck with seats that are similar to those on the 777-300ER, but narrower. First class will be 1-2-1 on the main deck.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 18):
I think that a transparent floor would be a very cool feature indeed.

I'm sorry but that just gives the people in the lower deck the opportunity to take up-skirt pictures.  Smile
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 36):
This is the VHS & Betamax war for the airline industry, with the 787 turning out to be the VHS.

I think they are both VHS offering different things so you cant use that terminology as it is incorrect.

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 38):
The hype about the 787 will end up distracting other airlines away from the A380 I'm afraid.

Well there will not be as much hype for the 787 as there has been for the A380. Ask most people about the two and see who knows more about the A380 , public included.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 13):
That's a cheap shot someone had to take. Be prepared 4 surprises in terms of A380 deliveries in 2007..

How is that Production Certificate coming? Nice to see 1 cabin fitted out over a 2 year period. There will be no surprises with the 380.  Smile
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 16):
As for an 'early' delivery, I suppose Airbus has more than learned its lesson, and would not announce it until the very day, if it was the case. At least I hope...

What would the value of an early delivery be to SIA? Have they not already published their schedule through the expected arrival of airframe #1? I mean it seems like a nice notion but in reality, I think it would be as big of a pain for an operator to deal with an early delivery as there were hassles around the delays. Companies like predictability and consistency, not whatever happens.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 31):
Sorry, but just because I fly on a ______ and post a trip report saying that _______ is the quietest/most comfortable/etc aircraft of its class doesn't make it so.

Why not?

Facts can be quite helpful, don't you think so?

Most of you guys who are writing about the A380 have hardly seen any one. Those of you who have flown on an A380 are even less numerous. You are writing about an a/c you simply do not know.

You might not like what people write who have flown on an A380. But this does not make their reports irrelevant.

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Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 36):
This is the VHS & Betamax war for the airline industry, with the 787 turning out to be the VHS.

That's not a valid analogy because the VHS/Betamax war involved a strong network effect. The more people used one, the more valuable that one became. Fax machines are a good example of the network effect. If very few people have fax machines, then there is little value in having one, but if everyone has a fax machine, then it's very valuable to have one. The 787/A350 competition has a very small network effect, so the analogy doesn't work well. Once VHS won, it was over. It took the huge advance of DVD to beat VHS. The 787 has a lead now, but that could easily reverse because the network effect is weak.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 27):

This is the second clear confirmation the A380 is actually delayed by far less than the 2 years (actually it was 22 months) EADS has officially announced.

1- Emirates' first A380 will be ready mid summer already.

2- Singapore Airlines' first A380 is ready now.

Somehow I think we are going to see more than just 1 delivery this year....

Yeah, it does look like Airbus have changed tack, going from 'over promise, under deliver' to 'under promise, over deliver'. If they can deliver before October (which it sounds like might be possible), it'll take some of the grit off of the already lengthy delay.

Personally, after all these years in development, the delays, the "it'll never enter service" crowd on here, and the various test and trip reports I've read, I just want to see this thing fly for an airline.
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 21):
1- Emirates' first A380 will be ready mid summer already.

Which configuration is that, is it the F/J/Y or J/Y??
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 30):

This is the VHS & Betamax war for the airline industry, with the 787 turning out to be the VHS.

VHS is dead now right? DVD all the way and if you very clever hussle the letters DVD you will get 380  Smile
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 21):
Singapore Airlines' first A380 is ready now.

To be correct, it is shop complete... It is not ready. You have to recertify all the type design changes to the aircraft from the baseline tested model. Smoke penetration from the cargo bays, radios and electromagnetic effects from all the new wiring. Cabin testing etc. etc. Interior certifications with exit aisle clearances, sight lines for FA's, cabin emergency equipement certifications etc. All of these certifications have to be done on the interior that will be delivered. A new interior cert is no small task. SQ will have to do crew training on the final config too. I am not at all suprised that on an aircraft with 300 miles of wiring that certifying it will take months. They also have to prove to EASA that they have configuration and production control to get the production certification done. No easy task.

This is a very significant milestone for sure, they are back on track. But they are not done. The light is there at the end of the tunnel though.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:10 am

Second point. The A380 is a new aircraft, it will set some new standards for cabin comfort and noise levels. But it is also just a twin aisle aircraft. It will have new interior amenities but nothing really all that novel or different than other new cabins out in the market. As others have stated, SQ's first class seats are already flying on the 777. The new AVOD is also available on other aircraft. I don't know of anything about the cabin that is all that much different than other new aircraft. The few, the proud, the first class will have nicer accomodations... but for most folks... it will be new but not that much different.

The 787 will have a very innovative cabin in that the cabin altitude wil be 6000 feet not 8500. The pax will most definitely notice. The 787 cabin will have twice the humidity level of any other commercial aircraft... The pax will notice that as well. The windows are huge. New and improved sightlines, stowbins and lighting and yes a very quiet cabin will be available to all the pax. The 787 will offer a new and very improved flying experience to all that fly on her, not just the few in the front. No other aircraft on the market will come close until 2013-14 when the A350 comes out. The market will notice.

In my personal opinion, the A380 is DVD, the 787 is HDTV
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 47):
The 787 will have a very innovative cabin in that the cabin altitude wil be 6000 feet not 8500. The pax will most definitely notice. The 787 cabin will have twice the humidity level of any other commercial aircraft... The pax will notice that as well. The windows are huge. New and improved sightlines, stowbins and lighting and yes a very quiet cabin will be available to all the pax. The 787 will offer a new and very improved flying experience to all that fly on her, not just the few in the front. No other aircraft on the market will come close until 2013-14 when the A350 comes out. The market will notice.

In my personal opinion, the A380 is DVD, the 787 is HDTV

If your the normal passenger in Y class I doubt it will be that different. Most joe public will not know what cabin altitude is so I dont think that will be a factor in passengers response. F class passengers will always be happy but Y class is Y class and always will be. The only good thing would be if operators of 787 and A380 increase minimum seat pitch to 38'' . Then it really would be something special for Y class.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 32):
The A380 will be coming out at around the same time the Boeing 787 will be undergoing its testing and trials. The hype about the 787 will end up distracting other airlines away from the A380 I'm afraid. If the 787 program goes along her schedule, this will also focus negative attention on Airbus' failure to deliver the A380 on time.

What tells you that the 787 is not going to be late?
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 50):
What tells you that the 787 is not going to be late?

Well I dont think it will be but no one knows until it rolls down the runway.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:38 am

Howdy Gbfra,

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 39):
Facts can be quite helpful, don't you think so?

It may very well be true that the whalejet is quieter than the 340 and most if not all other commercial airliners. I also understand that you have flown on both. The trouble for me arises when you call your opinion of the db values for both aircraft a fact. So that no one gets offended and starts complaining that B was brought into the picture lets limit ourselves to the two aforementioned birds, the 380 and 340.

So then lots of questions come to mind :
Were the aircraft operating in the same aerodynamic regime = velocity, altitude, ....although there are other factors that may need to be flat fielded out since the flight dynamics of each bird might be sufficiently different so that at same spot in time and space they are operating differently ---more thrust on one, higher angle of attack, who knows.. but lets keep it simple and ignore this for the moment)

What were the meteorological conditions (inside and outside the cabin)= It was a dry/wet day, crosswinds were minimal, what have you...

What calibrated instruments (other than your ears) were used to carry out the test. Speaking of ears, they were exposed to the same acoustic conditions prior to the test right? No listening to hard rock at high volumes prior to the test right (Or high revving jet engines..)? Back to calibrated instruments... The guys using these were trained and new what they were doing? The test was carried out in a such that the internal geometry of the bird was taken into account (so that seating location, ammount of luggage,.. was factored out)?

Lots of other questions that could be asked I suppose, I am watching the simpsons and eating donuts so I cant reach over and look up my old acoustic lab notebook....  Smile Smile but you get my drift right?

Now if eads is claiming that the 380 whalejet is the quietest airliner it the whole wide world then that is another issue. It is not like they have a dog in this fight right? We should believe everything they say? The 380 was delayed due to customers IFE requests?! No I don’t think I will believe them just yet. Lets have an independent qualified 3rd party measure this and then ... well then we can all agree that the 380 is indeed the quietest airliner that is currently flying..

Actually, if truth be told I happen to believe you (facts be damned!). The 380 is probably the quietest airliner around. Will this change the economics of the bird? Maybe this little tidbit will entice airlines to look at it a bit closer, but at the end of the day the mighty buck will rule (I can use this phrase since eads sells stuff in dollars!) and then someone will perhaps ask how much does it cost to fly x passengers y distance and other pesky questions like that.

Maybe they will say wow not only is it the quietest bird in the sky but man I can make a whole bunch of money if I use this guy to go from a to b. Yeah maybe they will say that...Or maybe they will say: "real quiet plane that is for sure but man I can use this other plane (lets call it the 350 so as not to ruffle to many feathers) the 350 xwb and make more money doing so!!

So although flying experience is an issue so is casm and rasm and all those other nifty acronyms (sorry Beaucaire!). At least things will look good for the 350!

Gbfra, now I've come full circle and completely agree with you! Facts, like knowing the true values for casm and rasm of an airliner are indeed quite helpful!

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