Massive Northeast Storm 4/15-4/17

Indy · Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:06 pm

I don't see where this has been brought up yet so please forgive me if I've missed it. But there looks to be a massive storm brewing for the northeast. It should cause significant problems from 4/15 to 4/17 as this nor' easter basically stalls around New York. Accuweather.com headline states "Potentially Historic Storm Taking Shape." The models look really bad. The low will bottom out at about 980mb (28.94"). There will be very heavy precipitation and very gusty winds. This will drag out for about 36 to 48 hours.

Take note airlines operating out of JFK. There is advance notice. There is no excuse this time to hold people hostage for hours on flights. If you are traveling out of JFK and you decide to get on a flight during bad weather you can't whine if you get stuck for 8 hours because you know in advance this is coming.

Good luck.

LAXspotter · Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:30 pm

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
There is no excuse this time to hold people hostage for hours on flights. If you are traveling out of JFK and you decide to get on a flight during bad weather you can't whine if you get stuck for 8 hours because you know in advance this is coming.

Well thanks for the tip, and i cant wait to see how this storm paralyzes airports in the northeast. Hopefully a media feeding frenzy similar to the Jetblue situation wont occur during this storm.

Indy · Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:35 pm

This site should be crawling with people venting about messed up travel plans in a few days. Good times Smile

eyes2thesky · Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:43 pm

Yup, this looks like a fun one. The kicker is it's a powerful "cut-off". These are notoriously difficult to pinpoint and move relatively slowly. Qouting from the NYC National Weather Service:

"A significant, possibly MAJOR, Nor'Easter will affect the Tri-State region on Sunday into early next week. A variety of hazardous weather is possible including, flooding rains, damaging high winds and coastal flooding of the severity that has not been seen in many years. Wintery precipitation is also possible...especially inland."

Coastal flooding of the severity that has not been seen in many years. Wow. wideeyed

It's a ways out, though. Still plenty of uncertainty. You can see that here:

http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/images/ens/spag_f120_us.html

Basically, If the contours on the right-hand plot overlapped, the errors in the forecast would likely be small (and hence the forecast would likely be good). In this case, however, the contours are far from overlapping. Actually, I bet the ops guys at B6/CO are losing some sleep right now looking at these plots. Can't make plans when the plots look like spaghetti.

artsyman · Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:05 pm

Rain and winds while annoying will only slow things down. The reason for the major chaos the last time around was based on the freezing rain / ice issues that were rendering aircraft that had just been deiced unflyable after mere minutes. Without significant freezing, the chaos "should" be avoided.

georgiaame · Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:47 pm

Must be Mr Gore's global warming again. Glad I'm not flying...I hate when the sky is falling.

glidepath73 · Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:32 pm

How is the current weather situation right now in the NYC region?
Does it still brew up like forecasted?

Regards,
Patrick

787EWR · Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:40 pm

I'm in New York now. Cloudy skies with 2000' ceilings. The forecast is for partly cloudy weather today, temps in the low 50's. We are supposed to be ok until Sunday afternoon, when all the fun begins.

Jetblue hasn't posted anything on their website as of yet, but I would imaging that something will be put in soon.

ltbewr · Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:43 pm

Yesterday, Thursday had heavy rains into the mid-afternoon in the NYC area.
With this possible storm, and with the end of spring break for many, it ought to be fun Sunday night into Monday, especially at EWR, LGA in the NYC area with 3+ hour landing delays. Let us hope airlines make the right adjustments to deal with this.

United_fan · Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:59 pm

Let's hope it stears clear of ROC,I'm sick of winter,I want to get my car out of storage!

chrisnh · Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:10 pm

Up here in southern New Hampshire we're being told to expect rain...and the Boston Marathon is still a 'Go.'

But I do have to chime in with kudos to Southwest Airlines for doing a good job up here in the Northeast. I recall when WN was poised to enter BWI, then PVD, then MHT: "That desert airline wil NEVER hack it up in the northeast!!' Well, I'm here to say that they HAVE done a very good job here at MHT. Yesterday's storm (Thursday the 12th) was a mystery the night before. Rain or snow for MHT? Well, WN flew four 737s late Wednesday night down to BWI because the risk was that it would be snow. Then, early yesterday--the day of the storm--WN zipped those 737s right back up to MHT under ferry flights when it was clear that the storm track and type had changed. They are VERY good about this, and they will re-route planes and turn them on a dime. If BWI was down, MHT flights bound for that airport would simply take off and go to the next destination...Mobile, San Diego, Omaha...wherever. No bad Valentine's Day PR for them!

I have been very impressed with how 'Southwest' is able to deal with 'Northeast' weather.

Chris in NH

coa747 · Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:44 pm

They do a great job of schedule management in general. When Hurrican Rita was threatening Houston they flew in extra planes to HOU to get as many people out as possible. They were still flying long after Continental had stopped all operations at IAH leaving their passengers high and dry. I like Continental but they have a few lessons to learn about dealing with a crisis. I would love to be a fly on the wall at Southwest when something like that happens to see how they handle it.

spacecadet · Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:27 am

Yet another "storm of the century" as the media tries to pump up its ratings...

It's a little wind and rain, guys. Nature in action. No doubt it will cause some delays and headaches, but we here in the northeast know how to deal with a little rain. No big whoop.

silentbob · Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 1):
Well thanks for the tip, and i cant wait to see how this storm paralyzes airports in the northeast.

PHL, EWR, JFK and LGA all appear to be in the rain-only band on the map.

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 9):
Let's hope it stears clear of ROC,I'm sick of winter,I want to get my car out of storage!

Move, winter lasts about 8 months up there.

Indy · Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:22 am

Looking at a recent update the storm will still be bad. Projected low is now 977mb or 28.85". Rainfall for NYC won't be that bad. I'd guess a couple of inches of rain for them and strong winds. I would hate to be in Manhattan with those strong winds blowing between the buildings. The worst however should be between Boston, MA and Portland, ME. The problem there will be the heavy rain and wind but also a storm surge created by 24 to 36 hours of very strong onshore winds. I'll see if I can get someone I know to validate the wind speeds but I'd guess that between Boston and Portland they could see coastal winds gusting over 50mph for quite a long period of time.

jetbluefan1 · Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:19 am

Ugh. We can NEVER catch a break here in NY. It was like 30 degrees out the other day...and it's mid-April. I think Mother Nature's confused...We almost never get Nor'Easter storms around this time of year; they almost always follow hurricanes in Florida over the summer.

In any case, if JetBlue handles this storm correctly, it could be the final step needed to get the media off of their back. JetBlue did a great job with the St Patty's Day storm, so hopefully they'll do just as well if not better with this storm. Let's see.

JetBluefan1

chrisnh · Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:29 am

I agree. This is a litmus test for jetBlue. But I'll tell you: If they come out with a press release on Saturday saying that they are suspending service at a place like Portland, Maine until Tuesday of next week, then that will NOT be seen as a great way to 'get the media off their back.' The model for dealing with lousy Northeast weather is Southwest. They plow through the stuff; when they can't, they're nimble enough to turn on a dime and re-route planes like a well-orchestrated symphony. Whether you agree with that assessment or not, that's the opinion people have of Southwest.

Chris in NH

brucek · Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:44 am

If this is the same storm that we had come through here in the Denver area last night (Thursday evening), we were told a "powerful winter storm with 8-10" of snow". I think we got a few flakes, at least so far (noon local on Friday). That's more to do with the track of the low being further south than predicted, but I don't know what that means for the NE.

Bruce.

jetbluefan1 · Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Brucek (Reply 17):
but I don't know what that means for the NE.

Bruce.

As of now, weather.com has informed us of the following:

A big storm will increasingly target the Northeast Saturday night, Sunday and Monday.

Heavy rain will overspread the region and could locally reach 5 inches in parts of New England by Monday.

Strong southeast winds will precede the storm from the Chesapeake Bay to Maine, possibly causing some coastal flooding.

Heavy, wet snow, locally over a foot, will hit the mountains of West Virginia, Pennsylvania and New York and New England.

By Monday, the heaviest rain and wind ahead of the storm may be confined to Maine. The Boston Marathon may be spared the worst of the wind and rain.

Behind the storm, strong north-to-northwest winds, gusting over 40 mph at times, will rake the eastern Great Lakes and Mid-Atlantic Monday. Snow will linger in the Appalachians and showery rain mixed with snow could approach New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington.

Temperatures will be 10 to 25 degrees below average.

The Northeast will remain blustery with snow and rain showers Tuesday and possibly Wednesday as the massive storm takes its own sweet time edging out to sea.

Eek.

JetBluefan1

philb · Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:53 am

Weather paranoia strikes the Northeast!!!!!!!!!!!!! We had 980mb and below on more than 30 days between mid November and the middle of March here in SW Ireland - and that with over 3,000 miles of ocean for the wind and rain to wind up over before getting here. Get used to it. For whatever reason the weather is going through one of its cyclical changes.

As it happens, we had 65 degrees today, in glorious sunshine and the weather looks excellent through Monday

warreng24 · Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 10):
Well, WN flew four 737s late Wednesday night down to BWI because the risk was that it would be snow. Then, early yesterday--the day of the storm--WN zipped those 737s right back up to MHT under ferry flights when it was clear that the storm track and type had changed.

WN seems to be willing to eat the costs of doing massive aircraft repositionings like that. That's a good thing. Besides, since each and every aircraft in the fleet is virtually identical (from a crew and logistics standpoint) they can swap planes/crews/etc... on a dime almost.

In addition, WN has a many focus cities in which they have the support structure to move in aircraft. In Chris's example of moving aircraft down to BWI from MHT pre-storm, WN has a large presense in BWI and getting extra support (rampers, huffers, generators, air handlers, gates, etc) for the purposes of overnighting the aircraft is pretty easy.

I know you don't need a "gate" to overnight an aircraft, but in places where it drops below freezing you at least need an air handler to haul out to the stand to plug into the plane to keep things warm. Otherwise, you need to drain all the potable water tanks, then fill things back up and purge the air out of the pipes (pain in the butt, so I've heard).

Indy · Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 19):
We had 980mb and below on more than 30 days between mid November and the middle of March here in SW Ireland

It isn't just the 980mb low. It is the pressure difference between the high and low. The pressure gradient will be tight in the northeast.

philb · Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 21):

I'm well aware of that. You should see some of the gradients we put up with during a normal Irish winter. When you have seven disturbed nights in a row with winds constant between 35 and 40 mph and gusts to 75 mph accompanied by rain and hail then you know you've been in a large storm. Happened at least five times this winter.

airevents · Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:00 am

Oh, that will be interesting. Will be flying into EWR on a LH A330 sunday evening. Hopefully no go-around....

scrubbsywg · Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:02 am

hmm, im supposed to go into LGA tomorrow afternoon, and leave on the 17th. my first trip to new york.

brucek · Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting ScrubbsYWG (Reply 24):
hmm, im supposed to go into LGA tomorrow afternoon, and leave on the 17th. my first trip to new york.

The current TAF (only good for 24 hours from time of issue- this one was issued 1732 GMT (1232 local NYC time), and is due for re-issue every 6 hours (next will be around 2400 GMT, or 1800 local):

KLGA 131732Z 131818 30018G27KT P6SM BKN045
FM0200 30015G24KT P6SM SCT050
FM0600 31014KT P6SM SKC
FM1400 31012KT P6SM FEW200

Looks OK as far as 1800 GMT (1200 local) tomorrow (Saturday), other then strong nor-westerlies tonight.
If I remember I'll post another TAF (Terminal Area Forecast) after the next update.

Bruce.

B6JFKH81 · Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:16 am

Crap, time to get the sump pump going.....AGAIN. Well, at least it isn't going to be snow. Can someone just shoot Mother Nature and Father Winter, maybe that will end this winter LOL!

spacecadet · Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:41 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 19):
Weather paranoia strikes the Northeast!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, no. It's a storm. They happen all the time around here. Why do you think they call them "Nor'easters"?

There's a lot of hyperbole going on in this thread, some of which is coming from people that don't live here and probably aren't used to storms like this, but we get at least 4-5 nor'easters every year, a couple tropical storms and the occasional hurricane. The weather here has been really annoying so far this April and I'm not happy about having another weekend basically ruined - I've got flowers to plant! But sheesh, it's still just a little wind and rain. Even if the winds hit 50mph, that's not unusual for New York. It is an ocean city, after all. This winter, there were a couple of days when we had 50mph sustained winds with ~10 degree F temps! That wasn't much fun, I can tell you.

Aviation-wise I'm sure there will be delays and cancellations. But there aren't going to be 1,000 people sitting on 10 different planes for 10 hours like there were during the ice storm a couple months ago. That was 3 inches of ice! A lot different than rain.

Nobody's freaking out about this here. It's just a rain storm.

jetbluefan1 · Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:01 am

JetBlue is waiving change fees for those booked on NYC, BOS and IAD flights on Sunday, 4/15 and Monday, 4/16. Right now they're allowing people to change flights for Tuesday and Wednesday, but that'll change if the inclement weather continues through those days...

http://www.primenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=117386

JetBluefan1

brucek · Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:59 am

KLGA 132320Z 140024 31018G23KT P6SM BKN050
FM0200 31015G22KT P6SM SCT050
FM0600 32014KT P6SM FEW200
FM1200 31013KT P6SM SCT200
FM2100 30009KT P6SM SCT150 BKN200

Through 6PM local NYC time, all is still clear and calm.

Bruce.

Indy · Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:55 pm

Just looked at the updated models and the northeast will be under the direct influence of this storm for about 60 hours.

philb · Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 27):

Glad someone has the right perspective.

EMBQA · Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 27):

Well, no. It's a storm. They happen all the time around here. Why do you think they call them "Nor'easters"?

Actually not 100% true. Although most happen in the northeast, they can happen anywhere on the east coast and as far south as Florida. I always thought the same too until I was told otherwise and looked it up on Google

IAHFLYR · Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:46 pm

Quoting Coa747 (Reply 11):
I like Continental but they have a few lessons to learn about dealing with a crisis

Really.....they actually do quite well with crisis and planned very well for Rita.....moving planes to places that would allow them to return ASAP when the storm threat was over, which they did. Also, CO was one of the first responders into MSY after Katrina!

As for the NY area, was there on Thursday for a minor prep for the approaching media blitz storm.....and CO was doing quite well as EWR with most of their flights. Sure, delays had happened with the morning and mid day rains, some flights delayed around 90 minutes, most I saw on the board on time or less than an hour delay. Most of the cancelled flights were other airlines, some CO Express had cancels, I only wish I knew if they were XJet or CHQ operating those!

brucek · Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:47 am

Latest TAF:

KLGA 141740Z 141818 28010KT P6SM BKN250
FM2300 VRB05KT P6SM SCT120 BKN250
FM0300 12007KT P6SM BKN080 OVC120
FM0700 07015KT 5SM -RA BKN040 OVC080
FM1200 09023G30KT 3SM RA BR OVC015
FM1600 09027G40KT 1SM +RA BR OVC007

From 1600 Zulu ( 1100 local NYC time), see the 1SM visibility with heavy rain, with winds gusting to 40 knots from the east! Imagine trying to hold a glideslope in those conditions. And this may just be the start of it....

Bruce.

hiflyer · Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:41 am

Even worse!!

KBOS 142326Z 150024 05007KT P6SM BKN060 BKN150
FM0600 09010KT P6SM BKN050
FM1200 09012G20KT P6SM -RA OVC025
FM1500 09017G30KT 4SM RA BR OVC012
TEMPO 1518 2SM +RAPL BR OVC007
FM1800 08025G37KT 2SM +RA BR OVC007
FM2200 08030G42KT 2SM +RA BR OVC007

LGA777 · Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:50 am

If the wind direction at LGA stays at 090, that should allow a two runway operation to still be in effect as it is right down the middle between Rwy's 4 and 13. Usually during high wind events LGA is a single runway operation which is a huge contributing factor to long delays. I am expecting a long afternoon/evening shift at work at LGA Sunday, unless cancellations are huge, which is a definite possibility.

Regards

LGA777

AlitaliaMD11 · Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:09 pm

I'm curious to see if we will get any diversions at SWF tomorrow.

JetJock22 · Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 12):
It's a little wind and rain, guys. Nature in action. No doubt it will cause some delays and headaches, but we here in the northeast know how to deal with a little rain. No big whoop.

Yeah, 4-7 inches of rain and sustained winds at 40mph with gusts over 50mph is just a little wind and rain. Kennedy is preparing for as few as 32 a/c per hour tomorrow depending on the winds. Also, if there is standing water on the runways which is very possible with the amount of rain they are predicting, that severely limits the crosswind landing capabilities of many a/c. Sorry, but as I said, this isn't gonna just be a little wind and rain...

ltbewr · Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:28 pm

Some news reports this morning are suggesting that LGA in particular may have to shut down to all traffic from about noon and well into the evening on Sunday and possibly into Monday. In part, this is due to the location of LGA on Long Island Sound/Jamica Bay and much higher than usual tides along with the wind may push floods into parts of the operational areas. The winds along the coast may be up 45 MPH on Sunday, and even higher into the 50's on Monday.
I would expect JFK, as along the south coast of Long Island in low lying areas and with high winds to be considerably affected and many flights cancelled as the day goes on. EWR always get screwed up badly by heavy storms, so I also expect it to be pretty much shut down as well. I also wouldn't be surprised by diversions for some large international flights.
It might be not until Tuesday or Wednesday when the airports will be 'normal' in the NYC Metro area. Residents of some areas such as Fire Island along the south shore of Long Island have been told to leave and go inland. Many low lying coastal areas in the NYC Metro area due to high tides and the severity of the storm may really be one of the worse storms of this type in 15 years. It may cause nasty flooding inland, including low lying areas of local spots, highways. It is going to be a real mess.

hiflyer · Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:26 pm

At 9am edt EWR LGA and JFK are now into a ground delay program....and TPA down on the tail end of the storm front has a ground stop.

radar at
http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/Conus/index_loop.php

faa advisories at
http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/advAdvisoryForm.jsp
and
http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/

NOAA Aviation Weather
http://aviationweather.gov/

jetbluefan1 · Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:27 pm

I'm on Long Island's South Shore and things just started picking up. No wind yet - just rain - but it looks very ominous out.

JetBlue is operating quite a few flights this morning - almost all on time - though some flights scheduled from 10-1 have been cancelled since last night. I guess things are going to get worse as the day goes on, and flights will be cancelled as seen fit.

JetBluefan1

galapagapop · Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:31 pm

Well looks like most of B6's flights are still up, at least for now, works out well as I got a friend on a 12:30 to LAS flight that I got to drive her too, hopefully she won't get stuck at JFK. But Boy it's coming down now, lucky that it's been dry the last 2 days to absorb the rain we got on Thursday, so the intial is going down fine, but soon the flooding will start by the underpasses, and it all go downhill from there.

UN_B732 · Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:14 pm

Due to WX/LOW CIGS/WIND, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving John F Kennedy International Airport, New York, NY (JFK). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 4 hours and 42 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination".

(rut roh, this is going to be fun)

-A

jetbluefan1 · Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:31 am

Some JFK flights are operating on time, others are cancelled, others are delayed massively, others are delayed minorly.

Well, at least this isn't another St. Patty's Day or Valentine's Day event (so far).

JetBluefan1

eyes2thesky · Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:16 am

Latest word: "East coast storm nixes over 400 flights"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070415/ap_on_re_us/spring_storm

Some of the more interesting PIREPS from the area:

LGA UUA /OV KLGA/TM 2050/FL030/TP A320/RM LLWS -30KT BLO 040=

LGA UUA /OV KLGA/TM 2100/FLUNKN/TP E170/TB MOD-SEV BLO 030/RM
ILS13 COULD NOT HOLD AIRSPEED=

TEB UUA /OV KTEB/TM 2217/FL045/TP LJ35/TB MOD-SEV SFC-045/RM DURC=

TEB UUA /OV TEB300010/TM 0010/FL018/TP LJ45/RM "SEV LLWS SFC-068"
LOSS 600FT=

TTN UUA /OV RBV/TM 0107/FL0100/TP MD80/RM LIGHTNING STRIKE RIGHT WING=

TTN UUA /OV RBV/TM 0115/FL110/TP A319/RM LIGHTNING STRIKE=

[Edited 2007-04-16 03:25:48]

[Edited 2007-04-16 03:45:11]

AlitaliaMD11 · Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:25 am

This may be of some interest:

Emirates 205 777-300ER DXB-HAM-JFK diverted to BWI.

ltbewr · Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:15 am

As of 10 pm Sunday, there were up to 6 HOUR delays at JFK, 2 to 4 at LGA and around 3 at EWR and as noted above for those flights still in place and with over 400 flights cancelled. At Central Park in NYC, there was about 5 inches of rain as of 6 pm, a record for the day and any April day in the records, and the 8th most rainfall on any day in weather history there. And it could get worse as the rain was to continue heavy into the night with up to 2 more inches into Monday.
BOS is being heavily hit now, and probably will be bad into late tomorrow.

bjornstrom · Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:30 am

Im on LH409 EWR-DUS at 16.15 tomorrow - will be interesting to see if my flight is cancelled. First hop on the PrivatAir A319LR! Smile

hiflyer · Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:04 pm

Looks like going to be a looooonnnggg day for air carriers in the NE US....

ATCSCC ADVZY 045 DCC 04/16/07 OPERATIONS PLAN
VALID FOR 161200 THRU 161800

TERMINAL CONSTRAINTS:
BOS/NY METRO/PHL/PIT-WIND/LOCIGS/VIS
DTW/CVG/ATL/CLT/IAD/DCA-WIND
TEB/CDW-FLOODING
MDW-LOCALIZER 31C OTS/182300
PVD-TERMINAL CLSD-GA ONLY

ENROUTE CONSTRAINTS:
ZBW-ISOLATED TSTMS
ZBW/ZNY/ZDC/ZTL-TURB
ZJX/ZMA-MILITARY OPERATIONS

1. AFP'S
AFTER 1700 -MMSD GROUND DELAY PROGRAM (GAAP)

2. ROUTES
UNTIL 170500 -ORD/MKE OMP ROUTES
UNTIL 170500 -ZID_ROYKO_TEST
UNTIL 170500 -MMMX ROUTES

3. ZBW
UNTIL 2359 -BOS GROUND DELAY PROGRAM

4. ZNY
UNTIL 0359 -LGA GROUND DELAY PROGRAM
UNTIL 2359 -PHL GROUND DELAY PROGRAM
AFTER 1700 -EWR GROUND DELAY PROGRAM EXPECTED
AFTER 1600 -JFK GROUND DELAY PROGRAM EXPECTED

5. ZDC
UNTIL 0159 -IAD GROUND DELAY PROGRAM
AFTER 1400 -DCA GROUND STOP POSSIBLE

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