MANisnumber1
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AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:50 am

Hi

I was just finding out about some AC schedules and i noticed that aircraft typ eof the LHR-YYZ changes alot.

AC869
London (LHR)
Toronto (YYZ)
Aug 30 08:30 11:25
343

AC863
London (LHR)
Toronto (YYZ)
Aug 30 11:05 14:10
763

AC857
London (LHR)
Toronto (YYZ)
Aug 30 13:00 15:35
77W

AC849
London (LHR)
Toronto (YYZ)
Aug 30 15:15 18:20
333

AC859
London (LHR)
Toronto (YYZ)
Aug 30 19:35 22:40
763

You could be on a 767 or a 330-300 or even a 777-300ER. why is this. wouldnt they want to operate the same aircraft type?
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:53 am

AC does a pretty good job to match capacity to demand - which is what they are doing here. Additionally, it's due to the aircraft availability based on their schedules.
 
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting MANisnumber1 (Thread starter):
wouldnt they want to operate the same aircraft type?

Adding to the first response, basically every airline, including Air Canada, does not allocate a specific aircraft to a specific route. Rather, they rotate them between routes as better suits scheduling, maintanance, etc. Air Canada can fill pretty much anything in their fleet on the YYZ-LHR route, but suits the aircraft by its other scheduling and the need for flexibility. The Peter Max threads will give you a good idea about how aircraft move about a system.
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:06 am

Air Canada flies up to 5 flights a day YYZ-LHR, of course it is going to use different aircraft on different flights to meet demand.

Also right now the capacity is a little skewed because of the 77W doing the crew familiarization flights to LHR. Normally the mix would be 3 767s and 2 333/343s.

I remember at one point AC had 7 daily flights YYZ-LHR after the CP merger: 767-200x1, 767-300x3, A330x2 and 747-400Mx1... i doubt they will ever fly that many again but it gives an idea of how crazy they have been to LHR. AC has operated the following types to LHR since 1965: *=current

DC-8-40/-50/60, 747-100/-200/-200M/-400/-400M, 767-200, 767-300*, 777-300*, A319*, A320 (yes A320), A330-300*, A340-300*/500, L1011-100/-200/-500.

The 777-200LR will be used and the A340-500 might still show up sometime in the future.
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:23 am

With the exception of this month, 857 is generally perceived to be the "flagship" LHR/YYZ service, generally operating with the largest aircraft in the fleet. This month has been the excpetion, where 857 has been subbed with a 763, allowing as many crews to rotate through the 77W, operating as 856/869.

On the date that you've highlighted (August 30), I believe AC will have 5 777's in service. They are routed as follows:

YYZ-LHR
YYZ-FRA
YYZ-NRT
YYZ-HKG
YVR-NRT
&
YYZ-PEK 3 or 4 times per week.

As pointed out, based on demand, availability, and connectivity, AC is very vigilant regarding capacity to equipment and v.v.
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3):
A320 (yes A320)

When did this happen on sked flights? If it's simply ad-hoc charters, I wouldn't exactly count that.

762s are still off and on as subs. I remember seeing a 762 at LHR last summer...of course the smaller the fleet gets, the more 'off' than 'on' will happen. Actually, didn't AC have 1 YYZ-LHR flight will the Y and Y+ (i.e. domestic J cabin) flight the route last summer?
 
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:34 am

When did AC fly a 320 to LHR from Canada?
 
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:56 am

AC never flew LHR-Canada with the 320

It was used for a short time on LHR-STR and LHR-DUS flights in the late 80s, connecting with flights to Canada there. Later STR was dropped and DUS was run as DUS-LHR-YYZ with a 767-200ER, then dropped entirely.

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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 4):
With the exception of this month, 857 is generally perceived to be the "flagship" LHR/YYZ service, generally operating with the largest aircraft in the fleet.

Rod, was 856/857 the original solo daily YYZ-LHR? I know AC used those flight numbers when AC had just 2 dailies in the late 80's.
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 8):
Rod, was 856/857 the original solo daily YYZ-LHR? I know AC used those flight numbers when AC had just 2 dailies in the late 80's.

856/857 was the solo YYZ-LHR-YYZ since the L1049G could fly it nonstop.
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:41 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
AC never flew LHR-Canada with the 320
It was used for a short time on LHR-STR and LHR-DUS flights in the late 80s

Are you talking about AC's own A320's? They may have codeshared on this route using another airlines equipment, but as for their own, AC did'nt recieve their first A320 until 1990, so it was'nt in the late 80's.
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:46 pm

FLYACYYZ,

will the first 77L operate to LHR until the 2nd one gets delivered and they can then be switched to operating the HKG route daily?
 
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:07 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
It was used for a short time on LHR-STR and LHR-DUS flights in the late 80s, connecting with flights to Canada there. Later STR was dropped and DUS was run as DUS-LHR-YYZ with a 767-200ER, then dropped entirely.

Just one of those little trivialities

I think there is some erroneous information here. AC never flew LHR-STR, nor did they have A320's based overseas.

In the late 80's AC served DUS and Berlin (I can't even recall if it was SXF or TXL). DUS was an extension of AC856 (YYZ) and AC866 (YMX), and at one point was a tag-on of AC880 (CDG). I think before being dropped entirely, DUS even had a period of non-stop operation on the 767-200ER. Berlin also operated non-stop on the 767-200ER.

The late 80's saw the biggest expansion of service to Europe, under the leadership of then CEO, Pierre Jeanniot:

ATH
LIS/MAD
NCE (via LHR)
LYS
GVA (via CDG)
DUS (via LHR or CDG)
SXF
ZAG (via ZRH)
BHX
BRU (via MAN)
VIE (via FRA)

[Edited 2007-04-14 13:33:05]
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:18 pm

Hi,

AC fly daily A319 YYT-LHR-YYT

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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting Donder10 (Reply 11):
FLYACYYZ,

will the first 77L operate to LHR until the 2nd one gets delivered and they can then be switched to operating the HKG route daily?

Although subject to change (most probably), this is how it stands at the moment. Until the 2nd 77L is received, replacing the equipment on AC015/AC016, this is the rotation:

AC848 YYZ-LHR Tu/Th/Fr/Sa
AC858 YYZ-LHR Mo
AC872 YYZ-FRA We

AC857 LHR-YYZ We/Fr/Sa/Su
AC849 LHR-YYZ Tu
AC873 FRA-YYZ Mo

The first planned flight is:

LONDON- AC858 YYZ-LHR 30 June returning as AC857 LHR-YYZ 01Jul
FRANKFURT - AC872 YYZ-FRA 04July returning as AC873 FRA-YYZ 05Jul

At the moment, the aircraft seems to have a day off on Thursdays, but similar to the 77W will probably do
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 9):
856/857 was the solo YYZ-LHR-YYZ since the L1049G could fly it nonstop.
(It's been around quiite a while!)

Thanks Longhauler.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 12):
The late 80's saw the biggest expansion of service to Europe, under the leadership of then CEO, Pierre Jeanniot:

ATH
LIS/MAD
NCE (via LHR)
LYS
GVA (via CDG)
DUS (via LHR or CDG)
SXF
ZAG (via ZRH)
BHX
BRU (via MAN)
VIE (via FRA)

This coincided with the delivery of the 7 762ER newbuilds in 87/88. Unfortunately, most of these routes were leisure oriented and of low frequency. Hence, they were more suited to charter carriers.

These markets do demonstrate that the 752 would have been an ideal aircraft for AC which could have made the difference with its lower operating costs, not to mention MEX, CCS, BOG et al.
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Adding to the first response, basically every airline, including Air Canada, does not allocate a specific aircraft to a specific route.

Well, AA to LHR is all 777s, and I think they do that to keep maintenance costs down at LHR (simpler to just have to service 1 aircraft type). At least that's what I remember reading here a while back.
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):
Well, AA to LHR is all 777s, and I think they do that to keep maintenance costs down at LHR (simpler to just have to service 1 aircraft type). At least that's what I remember reading here a while back.

Plus the fact that AA has the network and population base to fill all 777's. From YYZ, I don't think that AC could fill 5 777's or up to 1,745 seats per day. 3 of the 5 flights perhaps (848/856/862), but not the other 2 (858 & 868)
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RE: AC's Equipment For LHR-YYZ

Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 1):
AC does a pretty good job to match capacity to demand - which is what they are doing here. Additionally, it's due to the aircraft availability based on their schedules.

I notice they do this on their transcons to LAX often as well. I think it's a great idea when they sub different a/c according to demand. I think US carriers should do something similar.
AM & MX both do this and it seems to do well for them too.
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