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Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:50 pm

Hey guys,
please feel free to switch this thread to another forum. I already did a search but wasn't much succesful. I need some help/information about the A330-300. I'm making a report about this aircraft as part of an university project.

1) What airline operate the longest route?
I found out that QF operates MEL-NRT (5060mi) and SYD-NRT (4846mi). But I need a complete list like TOP10 routes.

2) The usual range is around 4500-4600mi. Which engines are used to increase this range for another 500mi.?

3) Which airlines all over the operates the A333 and how many are in their fleet? This could be a very long list, but I need all the data.


Could you please help me?

THX!!!!!
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:08 pm

AF do CDG-NRT on A330-300 ( 6048 Miles )
AF do CDG-SEA on A330-300 ( 5016 Miles )
NW do SFO-NRT on A330-300 ( 5124 Miles..)
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:22 pm

QFs BOM-SYD route is the longest 6308 mi (SYD-BOM has a tech stop)
SYD-PEK is 5552 mi
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:42 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
AF do CDG-NRT on A330-300 ( 6048 Miles )
AF do CDG-SEA on A330-300 ( 5016 Miles )

Air France do not operate A330-300. Only A330-200, which has a center wing tank, providing a much higher fuel load.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:43 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
AF do CDG-NRT on A330-300 ( 6048 Miles )
AF do CDG-SEA on A330-300 ( 5016 Miles )
NW do SFO-NRT on A330-300 ( 5124 Miles..)

AF only operates A330-200, and NW uses A330-200 on SFO-NRT.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:59 pm

Doesn't LTU operate their 333s on pretty long routes?

MUC-CLT (LH) is 4579mi, but I'm not sure it makes to the top 10  Smile

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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:07 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
3) Which airlines all over the operates the A333 and how many are in their fleet? This could be a very long list

CX/KA will be the biggest operator soon, with 50 of them.

Cathay Pacific Airways 27
Dragonair 16
Korean Air Lines 16
Northwest Airlines 15
China Airlines 14
Thai Airways International 12
Malaysia Airlines 11
Lufthansa 10
QANTAS 10
Qatar Airways 10
US Airways East 9
Air Canada 8
Philippine Airlines 8
China Eastern Airlines 7
Garuda Indonesia 6
Asiana Airlines 5
Scandinavian Airlines System 4
Aer Lingus 4
SN Brussels Airlines 4
LTU 3
MyTravel 3
Iberworld 2
Air Caraïbes 1
Air Transat 1
HiFly 1
Vietnam Airlines 1
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:08 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
The usual range is around 4500-4600mi. Which engines are used to increase this range for another 500mi.?

The range with full fuel and PAX load (including their bags) is according to Airbus over 5600 nm, which is around 6400 statute miles. While the typical payload range is usually lower, an A330-300HGW should have enough range for any flight under 5000 nm that can also be operated by a 767. A 5000 mi or 4300 nm flight is within range for most A333s (unless they're one of the few and nowadays very rare non-HGW A333s, which may have difficulties for anything over 4000 nm).

Quoting DABVF (Reply 4):
NW uses A330-200 on SFO-NRT

Didn't NW operate SEA-AMS with an A333 for a while, when the A332 just starting to be delivered?

EDIT: Zeke beat me with the fleet information.

[Edited 2007-04-14 09:10:49]
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:17 pm

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 5):
Doesn't LTU operate their 333s on pretty long routes?

Looking at the photo database, their A333s have flown to YYZ, IAD, JFK, PUJ, MCO, MIA and RSW. No idea if they were out of DUS, FRA, or MUC, but especially the flights to Florida and PUJ are one of the longest flights these A333s seem to operate, and all of that with non-HGW A333s. However it seems like LT is getting rid of them in favour of more A332s as one to one replacement.
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:41 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
Looking at the photo database, their A333s have flown to YYZ, IAD, JFK, PUJ, MCO, MIA and RSW. No idea if they were out of DUS, FRA, or MUC, but especially the flights to Florida and PUJ are one of the longest flights these A333s seem to operate, and all of that with non-HGW A333s. However it seems like LT is getting rid of them in favour of more A332s as one to one replacement.

ok I found out that LTU operates really long routes for example LEJ-VRA, , MUC-WDH

[Edited 2007-04-14 09:42:17]
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:14 pm

MyTravel Airways Scandinavia fly their A333 with 410 seats Scandinavia-Sharjah (UAE)-Thailand, both legs are 2,700-2,800nms... but with 410 pax and their big suitcases, lots of booze and duty-free carts onboard, that must be pushing the range envelope...?
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:20 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 2):
QFs BOM-SYD route is the longest 6308 mi (SYD-BOM has a tech stop)

QF has a tech stop on this route because its currently operated by a 767. QF will replace the 767 with an A330 in the very near future when they get a new one delivered, which will then eliminate the tech stop that they currently have in DRW.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:37 pm

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 11):
QF has a tech stop on this route because its currently operated by a 767. QF will replace the 767 with an A330 in the very near future when they get a new one delivered, which will then eliminate the tech stop that they currently have in DRW.

No the A333s have been operating on this route for sometime now and once the A332s enter fleet it will be used for flights to India thus elminating the tech stop in DRW
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:38 pm

DJ748
SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD is not operated by the 767. Could the 763 even make BOM-SYD?

Check your facts, mate.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 13):
SYD-DRW-BOM-SYD is not operated by the 767. Could the 763 even make BOM-SYD?

Yes, the B763ER could do it. The route is 5482nm long while the aircraft range is 6105nm.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 9):
ok I found out that LTU operates really long routes for example LEJ-VRA, , MUC-WDH

IIRC MUC-WDH is flown by A332, don't know about LEJ-VRA.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:29 pm

Korean Airlines operates Seoul-Prague with the 333, not sure how long that is, but it must be up there.

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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting LTU330 (Reply 3):
Only A330-200, which has a center wing tank, providing a much higher fuel load.

The A330-300X also features the centre fuel tank... which does help, but still no match.

QF's endeavours are even more impressive since their planes seem to not be the strengthened variety, despite uprating the engines on quite a few.

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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 15):

IIRC MUC-WDH is flown by A332, don't know about LEJ-VRA.

yesterday's LT676 was operated by D-AERS which is an A330-322. Maybe due to heavy loads... but however...  Smile

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 16):
Korean Airlines operates Seoul-Prague with the 333, not sure how long that is, but it must be up there.

this is a great input! thx! according to gcm the distance is 5131mi which is one of the longest flights I gues
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:31 am

US Airways are starting ATH-PHL service from May and this will be operated with their A330-300's.

This route is 5035 miles according to Great Circle Mapper.

Not bad considering the A330-300's US Airways operate are supposed to be very under-rated compared to others in service. (Well this is according to A.netters, when US Airways announced the route and was widely discussed!)
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
US Airways are starting ATH-PHL service from May and this will be operated with their A330-300's.

well I already checked that, but are you sure of the A330 on this route 'cause Amadeus and several other CRS shows the B767 for the summer
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:04 am

according to NW website their 233K Pratt 4168A A333s max range is 5300miles (and 6200 for the A332). CIs website says their GE 80E1-A4 powered 230K A333s have a 4000nm (4600statute ). QFs site say their 212K A333s fly 3800miles (but thats their unupgraded planes with the GE CF680E1-A2)
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 15):
don't know about LEJ-VRA.

The LTU booking engine doesn't make it clear.

When the flight is a nonstop, it is an A332.

BUT, the LTU website doesn't state that a connection is required on the return...

For example, LT430/431; using 25.05.07 and 01.06.07, LEJ-VRA is nonstop (A332), the return is via MUC (A332) with a 2:50 layover, connecting to an LH RJ85.
(Which the LTU website DOES NOT mention....I figured this out using another scheduling website.)

The thing I cannot figure out; does LTU do one-stops within Germany? Or is everything nonstop to the destination?
For example, Is there such thing as say, an intermediate stop within Germany before continuing on to the final destination such as: MUC-DUS-YYZ, or NUE-MUC-RSW?
The way it looks to me; all connections within Germany are on other airlines. But again, it is hard to tell because the LTU website does not make things very clear.
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 6):
CX/KA will be the biggest operator soon, with 50 of them.

Cathay Pacific Airways 27
Dragonair 16
Korean Air Lines 16
Northwest Airlines 15
China Airlines 14
Thai Airways International 12
Malaysia Airlines 11
Lufthansa 10
QANTAS 10
Qatar Airways 10
US Airways East 9
Air Canada 8
Philippine Airlines 8
China Eastern Airlines 7
Garuda Indonesia 6
Asiana Airlines 5
Scandinavian Airlines System 4
Aer Lingus 4
SN Brussels Airlines 4
LTU 3
MyTravel 3
Iberworld 2
Air Caraïbes 1
Air Transat 1
HiFly 1
Vietnam Airlines 1

Also,

KLM (8)
Swiss (9)
Austrian (4)

and not to forget Etihad with 19 of the type

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:18 am

excuse the last post, i didn't see it was A333 only!
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:22 am

CI will have 17 A333s by 08
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 17):
QF's endeavours are even more impressive since their planes seem to not be the strengthened variety, despite uprating the engines on quite a few.

I thought it was QF's A332s that didn't have the strengthened floor, not their A333s.
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Airbuster (Reply 23):
Also,

KLM (8)
Swiss (9)
Austrian (4)

and not to forget Etihad with 19 of the type

Sorry, the original question was which airlines operate the 333. KL, LX, OS, EY have never operated the 333, only the 332, and if not mistaken, OS is selling their 332s.

[Edited 2007-04-14 23:08:06]
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 22):
The LTU booking engine doesn't make it clear.

When the flight is a nonstop, it is an A332.

BUT, the LTU website doesn't state that a connection is required on the return...

For example, LT430/431; using 25.05.07 and 01.06.07, LEJ-VRA is nonstop (A332), the return is via MUC (A332) with a 2:50 layover, connecting to an LH RJ85.
(Which the LTU website DOES NOT mention....I figured this out using another scheduling website.)

The thing I cannot figure out; does LTU do one-stops within Germany? Or is everything nonstop to the destination?
For example, Is there such thing as say, an intermediate stop within Germany before continuing on to the final destination such as: MUC-DUS-YYZ, or NUE-MUC-RSW?
The way it looks to me; all connections within Germany are on other airlines. But again, it is hard to tell because the LTU website does not make things very clear.

my info's aren't from the website neither from the booking engine. I've an insider of LTU Ops  Wink
for example the legs of D-AERS for the past few days:

10-04-07
PUJ-SXF (4877mi)

11-04-07
SXF-LEJ
LEJ-POP (4861mi)
POP-LEJ (4861mi)

12-04-07
LEJ-VRA (5148mi)
VRA-LEJ (5148mi)

13-04-07
(F)LEJ-MUC
MUC-WDH (4887mi)

14-04-07
WDH-MUC (4887mi)
MUC-DUS
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting Airbuster (Reply 23):
Swiss (9)

As it was mentioned anyway, just a small corection in the meanwhile they got 11 in the fleet  Wink .
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:20 am

it seems like LTU operates all their A333 on very long routes. for example the longest one I found is FRA-CUN which is non-stop flown yesterday by D-ALPH (5355mi)
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 26):
I thought it was QF's A332s that didn't have the strengthened floor, not their A333s.

true which are no longer with QF. All their A332s are with JQ
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:59 am

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:41 pm

Sometimes KE flies ICN-AMS with their A333 which is 5328 mi

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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:56 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
3) Which airlines all over the operates the A333 and how many are in their fleet? This could be a very long list, but I need all the data.

Could be useful:

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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:45 pm

So LTU does operate them domestically within Germany. Interesting. Thank you for the inside information.
What is meant by the "(F)" you have notated on the the 13.04.07 LEJ-MUC flight?
Is that to indicate a ferry, non-passenger carrying flight?

Are most of LTU's intra-German flights just ferry ops, getting the aircraft from one airport to another?

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 28):
10-04-07
PUJ-SXF (4877mi)

11-04-07
SXF-LEJ
LEJ-POP (4861mi)
POP-LEJ (4861mi)

12-04-07
LEJ-VRA (5148mi)
VRA-LEJ (5148mi)

13-04-07
(F)LEJ-MUC
MUC-WDH (4887mi)

14-04-07
WDH-MUC (4887mi)
MUC-DUS
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 35):
Are most of LTU's intra-German flights just ferry ops, getting the aircraft from one airport to another?

yes the (F) meant a ferry flight.

Some are ferry flights, but most of them feeder flights taking pax to their final destination.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 35):
Are most of LTU's intra-German flights just ferry ops, getting the aircraft from one airport to another?

I'd say yes, those are positioning flights, however, seats are sold on them (I don't know if on all flights).
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:31 pm

In the days when Malaysia Airlines flew to Madrid - for a very short period - MAS operated an A330-322 from Kuala Lumpur to Madrid via Dubai and Istanbul. That was a pretty long haul for a regional twin-jet.
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
Didn't NW operate SEA-AMS with an A333 for a while, when the A332 just starting to be delivered?

NW did operate SEA-AMS with the 333 for quite a while which is 4246nm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
US Airways are starting ATH-PHL service from May and this will be operated with their A330-300's.

This route is 5035 miles according to Great Circle Mapper.

It is 4375 nm
 
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:13 am

I think Air Madrid sent 333 from MAD to SCL fo a whie.

Although history now, that's 6648 miles (5777 nm)
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 40):
I think Air Madrid sent 333 from MAD to SCL fo a whie.

Yes, but it wasn't a nonstop flight I believe. It had a fuelstop somewhere, probably in MAO.
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RE: Longest Route For The A333 And Other Questions

Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:00 am

After numerous replies about statute miles and the 330-200, and flights with stops, have we come to any conclusion about the longest scheduled non-stop 330-300 flights in nautical miles?

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