Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
LHStarAlliance
Topic Author
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:15 pm

747s To MUC?

Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:04 pm

Hello ,

Is there any airline flying the 747 to MUC ?

I think Cathay Cargo is flying them but also a Pax carrier ??

Thanks,

konstantin
Boycott The Olympic Games In Beijing !
 
DE-777-200
Posts: 18
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2001 6:38 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:15 pm

Only TG is flying the 747 Pax 3/7 to MUC but only until mid-may.
 
LHStarAlliance
Topic Author
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:15 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting DE-777-200 (Reply 1):
Only TG is flying the 747 Pax 3/7 to MUC but only until mid-may.

Wow Germany is a big market for TG 1 747 to FRA and 1 to MUC !
Boycott The Olympic Games In Beijing !
 
cedarjet
Posts: 8926
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 1:12 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:49 pm

Can't figure out why Munich and Berlin - giant cities, both bigger than Frankfurt and Berlin is also the capital - don't get much longhaul action. Berlin to the US has long been box office suicide, and only CO have made it work cos they do their 757 thing like Bristol or Belfast. What's the story with that?
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
Avianca
Posts: 5377
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:33 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Can't figure out why Munich and Berlin - giant cities, both bigger than Frankfurt and Berlin is also the capital - don't get much longhaul action. Berlin to the US has long been box office suicide, and only CO have made it work cos they do their 757 thing like Bristol or Belfast. What's the story with that?

well MUC gets maybe not engough, but they get a lot of longhaul action.
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
daumueller
Posts: 687
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:45 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
Wow Germany is a big market for TG 1 747 to FRA and 1 to MUC !

actually, there are 2 flights to fra. 920/921 & 922/923
 
shane
Posts: 203
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:38 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:15 am

I think SFO-MUC could handle a daily 744. Isn't UA considering adding the route? The A340-600 is always packed to the gills. In my humble opinion, it's also the best way to get to Italy & Greece (and plenty of other places) from the west coast of the USA.
 
paneuropean
Posts: 748
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:26 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Is there any airline flying the 747 to MUC ?

Don't worry too much.(Besides KE) Atlanta gets no 747's pax at all..........
 
FrancoBlanco
Posts: 382
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:38 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:26 am

LH has no 747 based at MUC and they are not going to start with that. The only long-haul planes LH has based at MUC are A343, A346, and more recently the A333. It's a clear cut, 747s are only based at FRA - it will be the same with the A380. Besides some demonstration flights or other special missions, MUC will not see many A380s.

Just because Munich as a city is larger than Frankfurt, it doesn't necessarily mean that more traffic is going there. Zurich is a lot smaller than Vienna, but still ZRH has a lot more traffic than VIE.

Berlin is a completely different story, just think of some historical reasons. LH would have loved to build their mega-hub in Berlin instead of FRA, but from 1955 (the LH was founded) until 1989 (when the wall came down) it would not have been possible.

Sebastian
'Pointless!' - NY Times
 
RoyalAtlantis
Posts: 102
Joined: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:02 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Can't figure out why Munich and Berlin - giant cities, both bigger than Frankfurt and Berlin is also the capital - don't get much longhaul action. Berlin to the US has long been box office suicide, and only CO have made it work cos they do their 757 thing like Bristol or Belfast. What's the story with that?

And how about DL's route to JFK? How are loads on the that flight, anyone know? Of all the U.S. carriers, doesn't DL operate the most frequencies/flights to Germany?
 
LHStarAlliance
Topic Author
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:15 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting RoyalAtlantis (Reply 9):
doesn't DL operate the most frequencies/flights to Germany?

Well I think it´s US or UA ... maybe I´m wrong ...

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 8):
LH has no 747 based at MUC and they are not going to start with that. The only long-haul planes LH has based at MUC are A343, A346, and more recently the A333. It's a clear cut, 747s are only based at FRA - it will be the same with the A380. Besides some demonstration flights or other special missions, MUC will not see many A380s.

I know that ... but some years ago 744s were based at MUC

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 8):
Just because Munich as a city is larger than Frankfurt, it doesn't necessarily mean that more traffic is going there. Zurich is a lot smaller than Vienna, but still ZRH has a lot more traffic than VIE.

As in LHR , FRA , CDG , etc most passengers just take an connecting flight so they don´t care about where

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 8):
Berlin is a completely different story, just think of some historical reasons. LH would have loved to build their mega-hub in Berlin instead of FRA, but from 1955 (the LH was founded) until 1989 (when the wall came down) it would not have been possible.

As it was not allowed for German airlines to fly over DDR territory that´s why airlines like PA and DL had a base at FRA
Boycott The Olympic Games In Beijing !
 
DALCE
Posts: 2017
Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:45 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:42 am

I don't think TXL could even handle regular 747 sceduled flights.
I remember that LH sent over an 747-400 to SXF for the world cup final last summer held in Germany.
Why should LH do that as they have all their sceduled flight to TXL and none to SXF.
flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,223,E75,E90,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,
753,763,744,77W,788,319,320,321,333,AB6.
 
A342
Posts: 4017
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:05 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 8):
LH has no 747 based at MUC and they are not going to start with that.

IMO they'll base some 748is at MUC when they arrive.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Can't figure out why Munich and Berlin - giant cities, both bigger than Frankfurt and Berlin is also the capital - don't get much longhaul action. Berlin to the US has long been box office suicide, and only CO have made it work cos they do their 757 thing like Bristol or Belfast. What's the story with that?

As it has already been said, MUC gets a good deal of longhaul traffic.

With Berlin, there are also non-historical reasons for the lack of longhaul service. The economy in Berlin isn't very strong, the yields are rather low.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
LHStarAlliance
Topic Author
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:15 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 12):

IMO they'll base some 748is at MUC when they arrive.

NO I don´t think so most 350/787will go to MUC , 748I and 380 will be for FRA


KOnstantin
Boycott The Olympic Games In Beijing !
 
FXMD11
Posts: 172
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:34 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
I think Cathay Cargo

and SQ Cargo as far as I can remember come to MUC with a 747F. There was
also a Ocean Air and MASKargo going in to MUC, but not sure if this was charter
or scheduled.
 
johnnybgoode
Posts: 2144
Joined: Wed Jan 03, 2001 8:47 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 10):
I know that ... but some years ago 744s were based at MUC

not a single LH 744 has ever been based in MUC. however, not too long, LH operated two dailies to SFO and LAX op'd by 744s. they were FRA-based aircraft and operated FRA-LAX-MUC-LAX-FRA.
also, MUC has never been a 744 crew base.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 13):
NO I don´t think so most 350/787will go to MUC , 748I and 380 will be for FRA

why would most 350/787 go to MUC? those birds are thought to be an A343 replacement, most of them are based in FRA.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.
 
AirCop
Posts: 5553
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:39 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 7):
Don't worry too much.(Besides KE) Atlanta gets no 747's pax at all..........

Isn't Air France operating 744's into ATL now?
I have to agree from the western part of the US, MUC has proven a winner for connections to VCE and ATH.
 
deecee8
Posts: 32
Joined: Mon Jan 01, 2001 10:20 am

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:44 am

Yes AF is currently operating a Daily rotation with the B744 CDG-ATL-CDG, not sure for how long, AF changes the A/C rotation on the ATL market from time to time.
 
N1120A
Posts: 26659
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Can't figure out why Munich and Berlin - giant cities, both bigger than Frankfurt and Berlin is also the capital - don't get much longhaul action.

Frankfurt am Main as a city may be smaller, but the region around Frankfurt is very heavily populated. Also, Frankfurt is not only Germany's financial capital, it is very centrally located, especially when you consider the geography of West Germany pre-1989

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Berlin to the US has long been box office suicide, and only CO have made it work cos they do their 757 thing like Bristol or Belfast. What's the story with that?

DL also has a daily 763ER to JFK. The main story with it is that Berlin traffic is almost completely O&D and can't drive yields outside of government traffic.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 11):
I don't think TXL could even handle regular 747 sceduled flights.

It can, theoretically.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
LHStarAlliance
Topic Author
Posts: 2096
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:15 pm

RE: 747s To MUC?

Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Frankfurt am Main as a city may be smaller, but the region around Frankfurt is very heavily populated. Also, Frankfurt is not only Germany's financial capital, it is very centrally located, especially when you consider the geography of West Germany pre-1989

That´s right in the main gebiet are almost 4 mill . people and the not so far Ruhr Gebiet is the biggest populated area in Europe with 11mill people .

Konstantin
Boycott The Olympic Games In Beijing !

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos