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How Boeing Delivers The 787 To Its Customers?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:17 am

I have a question about how Boeing will go about delivering the 787 to its customers and actually all aircraft ordered. Will Boeing deliver say one plane per customer, meaning each new 787 off the line will go to a different customer, or will Boeing fill NW's order then move on to the next company?? Sorry if this has been posted or that I'm ignorant on this subject.
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RE: How Boeing Delivers The 787 To Its Customers?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:22 am

Deliveries are usually performed in blocks. In other words, NW will likely receive 4-5 of their aircraft in a very short time period so that they can begin service, and then the remaining aircraft will be delivered individually or in pairs over the following months.

Production does not occur in series where Boeing only produces the 787 for a specific airline like NW or ANA until their entire order is fulfilled before moving on to the next customer.
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RE: How Boeing Delivers The 787 To Its Customers?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:12 pm

It varies from airline to airline depending on whether they are a launch customer, how large their order is, how quickly they need the aircraft, what delivery slot they purchased etc.
For widebodies airlines often take 1 per month although for larger orders it may be 2 or more per month...
Remember that Boeing only has 1 line open for the 787 at the moment. In future they may increase to 2 lines which could change the schedule considerably.
Sometimes airlines only get 1 aircraft for a little while whilst they go about getting used to it, getting it certified in their own country etc. Then a month later they'll get a pair. New aircraft often don't actually go into revenue service for some time. When NZ first got its 772ER I remember they were busy getting it certified, getting pilots checked off on it, and doing promotional flights with it and it finally went into revenue service about 2 weeks after delivery (from memory).

Has for how the aircraft are delivered, the airline usually sends some of its pilots up to Seattle where the aircraft is handed over to them and they then fly it back to base. It is possible that for some airlines they would rather have Boeing pilots deliver it, but its more of a special privilage for senior captains etc to be the delivery pilot.
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RE: How Boeing Delivers The 787 To Its Customers?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:49 pm

Here is the list of recent and future 777 deliveries. This is an example of how 787 deliveries will work.

http://www.seattle-deliveries.com/777deliveries600-799.htm
 
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RE: How Boeing Delivers The 787 To Its Customers?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:13 pm

Its all up to Boeing and the customers how they will be delivered. Boeing almost always does NOT want customers hogging line space in a short period of time.

This is why when the 737RS comes out, WN may WANT 8-10 a month for the first few years, they will be getting far less than that even if they use a leasing company to pick up the extra frames. Boeing wants as many good customers to get their hands on the new toys as soon as possible... and then work them into a nice flow of frames so that the line isn't dependant on one airline. Also helps that the airline doesn't have to find huge lump sums of money one fine morning when they realise they have a huge number of planes waiting to be picked up. So it would be more typical for lets say WN to get the first non-test frame since they launched it. Then then next few "launch" customers get a frame. Then WN will get then next one, and so on so that the big orders get a handful of frames during the production ramp ups. Later orders get nothing till full production, or possibly 1 or 2 if they are a big customer and put money down on slots. Small orders done early will also get a couple then finish out as soon as the customer wants as long as they don't want a huge lump right as full production is reached.

Don't forget for many operators only 1 or 2 at the start of a new program is desired since they need to work out the teething problems, get staff trained, and overall get used to the new toy.

As far as the 787 goes, we should see a formal delivery order published sometime soon if its not already out. Boeing definitely has a nice spreadsheet covering all the slots and potential slots till 2020 or so in their sales department.
 
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RE: How Boeing Delivers The 787 To Its Customers?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 2):
Has for how the aircraft are delivered, thernairline usually sends some of its pilots up to Seattle where thernaircraft is handed over to them and they then fly it back to base. Itrnis possible that for some airlines they would rather have Boeing pilotsrndeliver it, but its more of a special privilage for senior captains etc to be the delivery pilot.

Well, sort of. Senior captains have trips they have bid, and the company isn't going to remove them (with pay) from schedule for the fun of a delivery flight. The delivery pilots are usually chief pilots or check captains. While maybe or even probably senior on the equipment, the key is that they are free to dash to Seattle (or Toulouse) on fairly short notice, when an airplane is declared ready to go.
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