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Quote: 1) Compliance with Terms and Conditions of Sale Tickets are valid for travel only when used in accordance with all terms and conditions of sale. Terms and conditions of sale include but are not limited to: ... 2) Unless a ticket is reissued by Delta or its authorized agent upon payment of applicable charges, or an authorized representative of Delta waives applicable restrictions in writing, a ticket is invalid; A) If used for travel to a destination other than that specified on the ticket. B) If the passenger fails to comply with applicable stayover requirements, C) If the passenger does not meet the purpose or status requirement associated with the fare category on the ticket, D) If Delta determines that the ticket has been purchased or used in a manner designed to circumvent applicable fare rules. 3) Delta specifically prohibits the practices commonly known as: A) Back to Back Ticketing - The issuance, purchase or usage of flight coupons from two or more tickets issued at round trip fares, or the combination of two or more round trip excursion fares end to end on the same ticket for the purpose of circumventing minimum stay requirements. B) Throwaway Ticketing - The issuance, purchase or usage of round excursion fares for one way travel. C) Hidden City/Point Beyond Ticketing - The issuance, purchase or usage of a fare from a point before the passenger's actual origin or to a point beyond the passenger's actual destination. 4) Where a ticket is invalidated as the result of the passenger's non-compliance with any term or condition of sale, Delta has the right in its sole discretion to: A) Cancel any remaining portion of the passenger's itinerary, B) Confiscate unused flight coupons, C) Refuse to board the passenger or check the passenger's baggage, or D) Assess the passenger for the reasonable remaining value of the ticket, which shall be no less than the difference between the fare actually paid and the lowest fare applicable to the passenger's actual itinerary. |
Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 2): Delta may not honor the return flight if you do not use all segments of the outbound. If you want to get back to Oregon, you may not want to do that. Check out rule 4(A) listed above. |
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 4): If you are only traveling one way, I would chance it. But make sure you don't check any baggage as it will definitely go to BUF. As for your frequent flier miles on CO. I think they'll go through. But remember, there is always the chance...... |
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 4): As for your frequent flier miles on CO. I think they'll go through. But remember, there is always the chance...... |
Quoting Smed63 (Thread starter): if I do this will I be at risk of not getting my FF miles credited for PDX-JFK or some other sort of punishment from Delta? Thanks. |
Quoting VgnAtl747 (Reply 16): DL uses something called (at least when I was there), "NO SHOW MANAGER". |
Quoting TrvlnMan (Reply 23): The Passenger Bill of Rights (if it ever comes to fruition) is NOT intended to allow for passengers to scam and "steal" from the Airlines! |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 24): The airline is essentially engaging in dumping. The passenger is responding to the dumping by (effectively) lowering the carrier's costs, perhaps to the point where no dumping is occurs. Who is really in the wrong? In international trade, when dumping occurs, countries are permitted all sorts of recourse (duties, etc.). It's illegal there, so why should it be any different for air travel? |
Quoting TrvlnMan (Reply 25): I'm not familliar with International Trade laws, and I guess I don't understand the term "dumping". Can you explain a little further? |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 28): Not sure how much econ you know, but the basic/easy discrimination of dumping is international price discrimination, or selling below cost to some consumers (i.e. folks abroad) while charging higher prices to others (in the home country). In this case, the carriers are dumping by selling below cost to those on connecting itineraries, who clearly cost the airline more money, while gouging O&D customers (the PDX-JFK flier in this example). I would argue that if we get upset when countries do it to us, we should be similarly upset when airlines do it to us and, if so, it's not clear that our friend Smed63 is really in the wrong here. |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 28): In this case, the carriers are dumping by selling below cost to those on connecting itineraries. |
Quoting Smed63 (Reply 31): I actually don't want to cheat the airlines out of their intended revenue, just want to have the flexibility to not use all that I paid for if my plans change at the last minute. If I've purchased a product but decide not to use all of it, isn't that my perogative? |
Quoting TrvlnMan (Reply 29): The airlines determine the price, not the goverment or a goverment agency, and it's based on demand. Prices are not based on distance traveled, or number of flights required to get you from point A to point B. |
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 30): How do you know that it is below cost? |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 35): don't know that it's below cost. However, I do know that PDX-JFK-BUF costs the airline more than PDX-JFK, and in some circles, we require firms to price accordingly. Why is air travel different? |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 35): Why is air travel different |
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 37): Because air travel is a service and not a tangible product. |
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 37): As I said in my previous reply, for whatever reason or reasons the value of PHX-BUF is less than PHX-JFK, and the airline is pricing fares accordingly. |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 38): The difference is that DL is able to exercise monopoly power in the PDX-JFK market, for they are the only carrier to service it nonstop. We don't like monopoly power in this country. Why should we allow it here? |
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 39): Last time I checked, B6 flew PDX-JFK nonstop. In fact, DL's PDX-JFK route only started less than two weeks ago, while B6 has had a monopoly for a couple years now. |
Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 19): I think we are missing the larger discussion point here: why in the world are airlines allowed to do this? As Lincoln expressed, it is not against the law, but against airline policy. |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 38): In the international paradigm, dumping is illegal regardless of whether it's of a product or service. I don't see what the difference is. |
Quoting TrvlnMan (Reply 23): f you buy a car with a sunroof but never use it, do you not make the last 2 payments on the car? |
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 39): Last time I checked, B6 flew PDX-JFK nonstop. In fact, DL's PDX-JFK route only started less than two weeks ago, while B6 has had a monopoly for a couple years now. |
Quoting TrvlnMan (Reply 40): monopoly (n.) A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over a specified commercial activity to a single party. |
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 41): If you fly PDX-JFK and get off you violate that agreement - in particular, it is illegal becuase you intended to violate the agreement all along. |
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 45): Nonetheless, DL is able to exercise monopoly power in the market due to the fact that there are only two players. |