1stfl94
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OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 12:48 am

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Just saw this photo (OS A340 in HRE) and was wondering what it was doing there? It seems unlikely to be a charter flight as Harare is hardly a destination for anyone these days, did OS have regular flights there for something??

Any info greatly appreciated
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Thread starter):
did OS have regular flights there for something??

They did indeed, as did Swissair I believe before the economy fell of a cliff.
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 1:23 am

1stfl94,

If I don't remember badly, when I saw the same photo that you put on your post, I ask for myself the same and found the answer in the Airbus Intranet three or four years ago...

Airbus sent to Zimbabwe an Airbus A340-200 as a demonstration to Air Zimbabwe officers with the objective to sell three of these aircrafts to the national airline of the African country.

Two might to be join the Air Zimbabwe fleet and the other might to be converted as a VIP aircraft for Robert Mugabe's own aircraft.

Sadly, Air Zimbabwe decided to continue operating the 762 fleet instead to buy Airbus aircrafts...

Last notices that I have are that UM will lease from Ilyushin Finance a pair of Ilyushin IL-96-400 to replace the older long-haul fleet.

Regards,

Gerard
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jimyvr
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 1:41 am

I think they flew to Harare in the 90s via Jo'burg.
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afrikaskyes
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 2:49 am

I myself, would love to see a recent photo of a BA 777 parked at HRE. Anyone?

I once asked a SAA captain to shed some light on why BA still served HRE and he said it was clearly a symbolic gesture to hang on to some commonwealth connections with the few anglo-africans still remaining. He said the loads were not great. Can someone elaborate?
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 3):
I think they flew to Harare in the 90s via Jo'burg.

That´s right. OS flew to JNB via HRE at some stage. It lasted only 2 years i think.
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 3:21 am

Yup, their JNB flights continued to HRE or CPT.
Equipment was the 340. (I think the 332s hadn't even been delivered?) Now both the route and the planes are history...  Sad
I still remember my 1999 trip VIE-JNB, CPT-JNB-VIE. Very pleasant flights. The VIE-JNB flight had its second leg to HRE.
The Saharan crossings were particularly turbulent and one of the coffee trolleys fell to the floor and an African gentleman (in suit and tie, obviously on a business trip to Europe) had coffee poured all over him.
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 6):
an African gentleman (in suit and tie, obviously on a business trip to Europe) had coffee poured all over him.

So, what happens in these cases? Apart from saying "I am terribly sorry", what else does an airline officer can do to turn the upset of the passenger?

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davidkunzVIE
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 7):
So, what happens in these cases? Apart from saying "I am terribly sorry", what else does an airline officer can do to turn the upset of the passenger?

I can't remember how they handled this particular situation, however since airlines have contracts with bag and suitcase stores to replace damaged luggage, I could imagine something similar happening in these cases.
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
the other might to be converted as a VIP aircraft for Robert Mugabe's own aircraft.

Well, I'm glad that hasn't happened -- that man doesn't deserve to fly, except maybe in an RAF Hercules, handcuffed to a couple of burly Royal Marines, on his way to a maximum-security prison somewhere in the Commonwealth. He's a tyrant of the worst kind, and the people of Zimbabwe suffer horribly for it.
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 8:10 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 3):
I think they flew to Harare in the 90s via Jo'burg

They did indeed fly to Harare. it came to and end in about 2000. it was the cheapest way to get from HRE to London at the time if you operated an "any airline but air Zimbabwe" policy when you flew.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
Two might to be join the Air Zimbabwe fleet and the other might to be converted as a VIP aircraft for Robert Mugabe's own aircraft.

As far as I know Bob Mugabe has always shunned personal aircraft for security reasons as people know its his plane they can put a bomb on it etc etc. The way he tends to fly is that he rocks up at the airport as an Air Zimbabwe plane is abut to take off and commandeers the plane. this way he knows no one could have prior warning of his intention to fly and therefore the flight can not be deliberately sabotaged. Its very frustrating being a passenger when this happens. It has happened to me a couple of times and as a result i no longer fly the airline.
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
Last notices that I have are that UM will lease from Ilyushin Finance a pair of Ilyushin IL-96-400 to replace the older long-haul fleet.

Regards,

Gerard

I believe this is no longer on the cards, they are going to carry on using the 762's for the long hauls.

Regards

Whales
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 8:39 pm

Is Air Zimbabwe currently only operating B762s long haul? Where do they fly to at the moment with all the economic and political challenges they are facing?
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whales
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Sat May 05, 2007 9:25 pm

They operate them longhaul as well as regional. They fly to Gatwick, Beijing, Singapore, and Guangzhou, but am not sure if the flight to Guangzhou is operating yet. They use the 762's on certain regional routes, mainly HRE to JNB.

Regionally Air Zimbabw goes to Nairobi, Dar es salam, Mauritius, Johannesburg, and lusaka. I am not sure if they still fly to Lubumbashi in the Congo.

Regards

Whales
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Mon May 07, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Reply 4):
I myself, would love to see a recent photo of a BA 777 parked at HRE. Anyone?

I will try and solve this for you.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Reply 4):
I once asked a SAA captain to shed some light on why BA still served HRE and he said it was clearly a symbolic gesture to hang on to some commonwealth connections with the few anglo-africans still remaining. He said the loads were not great. Can someone elaborate?

I think that they have had such a long relationship with Zimbabwe, and they can not be seen to take a political stance. I think at present they are the only European airline flying here. Also they have to look after there franchise in South Africa, which flies in daily from JNB.
 
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Mon May 07, 2007 6:01 am

Dont UM still serve DXB? Wasn't this the route that had the grand total of about 5 people on board its innaugral to DXB? Heard that somewhere...And with UM , its quite believeable..

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brightcedars
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RE: OS In Zimbabwe

Mon May 07, 2007 4:57 pm

I had the chance to visit Harare in late 1998 for an international conference held there.

Originally I was flying on KL BRU-AMS-JNB-HRE, the AMS-JNB-HRE legs being operated with the Boeing 747-400M.
The return flight should have been a copy cat JNB-HRE-AMS but for some reason the KL plane had a 16h delay and so I requested to be put on the OS flights via VIE in order to reach back work on time the next Monday morning. The OS flights was HRE-JNB-VIE operated by the A340-200. OS would have been a better experience than KL if it weren't for still allowing to smoke on the aircraft and having the unfortunate chance of being seated right in front of the smoking section. I couldn't sleep all night because of this - plus I was sitting with a very talkative American girl. I looked terrible for the reception welcoming our new commissioner at Trade & Foreign Relations, former and last Governor of Hong Kong, Chris Patten.

But I was young(er) so this was my daily bread and I enjoyed it. Those were the days... I remember Harare as a nice city melded with personal souvenirs of romance and wild evenings out!

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