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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Wed May 09, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 49):
hich should be announced in due time

Due time sucks! Give us just a hint! Does it concern partnerships or routes? Maybe both?
 
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Wed May 09, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 47):
Is this third flight going to be daily, and just for the busy few weeks of Summer?

It is just for peak summer. During some weeks it is daily, during some weeks it is not daily. The schedule even switches around alot. Some days it will operate during the afternoons, other days as a redeye (in both directions).
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Wed May 09, 2007 10:59 am

Iberia and Air France usually register the highest load-factors for any foreign airline flying to Colombia.

Load-factors for 2006 were:

Iberia: 79,3%
Air France: 79.9%

Load factors for December 2006 were:

Iberia: 88,2%
Air France: 82,8

So, although load-factors have very little value when seen as isolated numbers, there are definitely enough passengers to fill more planes to Europe.



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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Wed May 09, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 45):
Not, but rumours are pretty strong, just like Dreamliners.

The 787s order is already confirmed by AV. Just the rumour about the A330s remains.
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Thu May 10, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 53):

Yes, but He´s refering that some time ago there where strong rumours that AV would go for 787. That eventually happened. Now the strongs rumours are that AV will have some A330s has an interim solution while the 787s come. (I really doubt it but the rumours have been keeping out there for some time ago).

Anyway i hope the A330s come...........

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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Thu May 10, 2007 6:12 am

With regards to Latin America *A needs to get its act together FAST! Relying solely on RG to cover Lat. Am. was a pretty flawed approach. How logical was it to funnel, let's say SJO/PTY/GYE passengers to FRA via GRU? Or how about flying someone from GUA to FRA via LAX w/ UA/LH (I actually came accross passengers w/ these routings). Sure the Mercosur countries were more or less covered but the northern parts of this region were severly overlooked. And now w/ RG gone Star is left high and dry especially when they have to contend w/ Oneworld heavyweights like LA, IB and AA.

Should LH return to BOG or LIM it would at least be a step in the right direction. Perhaps the top brass at *A would benefit from a remedial geography course. If they can bestow regional carrier status to carriers like JP or OU I don't understand why they can't do the same w/ carriers like AV or TA. Just my 2 centavos for what they're worth.
 
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Thu May 10, 2007 10:25 am

Quoting Tavong (Reply 44):
The A340 are penalized but not has much

I didn´t know that, i though the A343s could take off with a full load.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 46):
MIA is 2x daily 767, AV7 and AV9. In fact, this summer, Avianca will be 3x daily on MIA-BOG.

Yes, i was talking about the 767 flights. Itñs 1x 767-300, 1x 757-200. It´s nice to hear that we will have 6 and sometimes 7 daily flights to MIA this summer, though. (3x daily AV, 3x daily AA, 3x weekly LA)

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 47):
That's what I though. I did notice that this few days a 757 has been deployed for one of the flights. I guess are the usual substitutions due to maintenance.

The 757 is always scheduled for the second daily flight, it can be substituted by a 762 sometimes by mx, but its surely 757 scheduled.
 
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Thu May 10, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 56):
Itñs 1x 767-300, 1x 757-200.

The 767-300ER are no longer regular to Miami. AV0006/7 has been operating as a 767-200ER for quite a while now, ever since the company stated to use the 763s to Madrid.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 56):
The 757 is always scheduled for the second daily flight, it can be substituted by a 762 sometimes by mx, but its surely 757 scheduled.

No such thing. The second daily flight is a 757 daily, except Tuesdays and Fridays, when it's a 767. You can see the pattern althroughout May and June.


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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Thu May 10, 2007 8:38 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
The question is how competitive such one-stop flights would be. IB obviously fly nonstop, but also AF/KL now operate nonstop to BOG and LIM respectively, so I guess that anything less than a nonstop wouldn't have much of a competitive edge for Lufthansa.

Why, does it matter if you fly FRA- AMS- LIM, FRA-MAD-LIM or on LH FRA-GRU-LIM? It's still a one-stop anyway...

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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Thu May 10, 2007 8:38 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 56):
I didn´t know that, i though the A343s could take off with a full load.

Altougth a quad engine plane works better at hot and high conditions like BOG even the 744 can't take off with a full load.
But if you compare two similar sized planes like the A340-300 and the A330-300 the A330 gets more penalized than the A340.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 57):
The 767-300ER are no longer regular to Miami. AV0006/7 has been operating as a 767-200ER for quite a while now, ever since the company stated to use the 763s to Madrid.

So, the 763s are used to NY and Madrid? or i'm mistaken? (anyway nice to see you again...)


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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Thu May 10, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 53):
The 787s order is already confirmed by AV. Just the rumour about the A330s remains

Exactly what I meant. The 330 rumour might come true anytime soon.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 32):
At the moment it's about 7 flights a week with 763s and 4 with 762s



Quoting Tavong (Reply 59):
So, the 763s are used to NY and Madrid? or i'm mistaken? (anyway nice to see you again...)

There you go for MAD. For JFK, they sure are used.


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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Fri May 11, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 60):
Exactly what I meant. The 330 rumour might come true anytime soon.

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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Sat May 12, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Planeguy (Reply 55):



Quoting Planeguy (Reply 55):
With regards to Latin America *A needs to get its act together FAST! Relying solely on RG to cover Lat. Am. was a pretty flawed approach. How logical was it to funnel, let's say SJO/PTY/GYE passengers to FRA via GRU? Or how about flying someone from GUA to FRA via LAX w/ UA/LH (I actually came accross passengers w/ these routings). Sure the Mercosur countries were more or less covered but the northern parts of this region were severly overlooked. And now w/ RG gone Star is left high and dry especially when they have to contend w/ Oneworld heavyweights like LA, IB and AA.

Should LH return to BOG or LIM it would at least be a step in the right direction. Perhaps the top brass at *A would benefit from a remedial geography course. If they can bestow regional carrier status to carriers like JP or OU I don't understand why they can't do the same w/ carriers like AV or TA. Just my 2 centavos for what they're worth.

I guess LHs return to BOG, LIM and GIG makes especially sense if we very soon have an anouncement that Taca (LIM), AV (BOG) and/or JJ (GIG and GRU) join *A. Has anybody heard anything lately??
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Sat May 12, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 62):
I guess LHs return to BOG, LIM and GIG makes especially sense if we very soon have an anouncement that Taca (LIM), AV (BOG) and/or JJ (GIG and GRU) join *A. Has anybody heard anything lately??

Don't expect JJ in *A or any other alliance. They just announce a code-share with Lan (oneworld) and Tap (*A). Tam is really uncommitted with any alliance and i really don't think they might focus on anything different than good partnerships with airlines to where they fly or have focus on.

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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Sat May 12, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 63):



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 63):
Don't expect JJ in *A or any other alliance. They just announce a code-share with Lan (oneworld) and Tap (*A). Tam is really uncommitted with any alliance and i really don't think they might focus on anything different than good partnerships with airlines to where they fly or have focus on.

Felipe

what about the rumored LH/JJ alliance any news on that??
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Sat May 12, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting LH506 (Reply 64):
what about the rumored LH/JJ alliance any news on that??

LH506, probably will be only a partnership to provide JJ with some connections in Germany to key markets like MUC, HAM, BER, DUS, DTM. And for LH will be good to get connections to GIG, CNF, CWB, POA, NVT and BSB.
I don't expect frequent flyer partnership for example.

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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Sun May 13, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 64):
what about the rumored LH/JJ alliance any news on that??

i am quite sure that they will seal a codeshare deal very soon. also, there seem to be signs that JJ is leaning towards Star, despite essential partnerships with other alliances' flagship carriers.
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Sun May 13, 2007 10:53 pm

Is LH thinking about further expanding in South America?. SCL return perhaps?
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Sun May 13, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 58):
Why, does it matter if you fly FRA- AMS- LIM, FRA-MAD-LIM or on LH FRA-GRU-LIM? It's still a one-stop anyway...

While that is true from FRA, a starting point anywhere else in Europe would require an additional stop if LH decides not to fly nonstop on the route, whereas IB and KL now take you to LIM nonstop from their respective home bases.
 
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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Mon May 14, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 66):
i am quite sure that they will seal a codeshare deal very soon. also, there seem to be signs that JJ is leaning towards Star, despite essential partnerships with other alliances' flagship carriers

You could be right Johnny, but be in mind that even considering their agreement with AF at CDG, where they deploy almost 50% of it's widebodies fleet, they do not keep a codeshare complete deal (i.e. it's not allowed to credit FF miles on South America-Europe flights if you fly AF and it's a JJ Frequent Flyer , and vice-versa)

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 68):
While that is true from FRA, a starting point anywhere else in Europe would require an additional stop if LH decides not to fly nonstop on the route, whereas IB and KL now take you to LIM nonstop from their respective home bases.

And with a stop service, they will not be so competitive so IB, KL and AF will appreciate this move. They need non-stop service to BOG, LIM, GIG and EZE in order to be competitive. And i'm expecting some changes on LH South America focus for the next year.

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RE: LH To BOG, GIG And Lima?

Mon May 14, 2007 7:43 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 69):
And with a stop service, they will not be so competitive so IB, KL and AF will appreciate this move. They need non-stop service to BOG, LIM, GIG and EZE in order to be competitive. And i'm expecting some changes on LH South America focus for the next year.

So do you know if LH goes non-stop again FRA-EZE in 08, returns to SCL or maybe LX going non-stop with the additional 343/332s they are getting? Are the 343 capable of going non-stop FRA-SCL?
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