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Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:14 pm

Flight International reports Airbus is considering putting the A380's nose design on the A350 and they have a graphic showing what it looks like!

Do you think this is the way to go? Shows the "family connection" I guess!

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...80-style-nose-design-for-a350.html
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:28 pm

this smacks of "someone in engineering found out that marketing's window design is stupid, and we are way the hell over budget anyway"

I'm fairly sure this is just the first of many cost cutting revisions to come. I am undecided as of yet if its a good thing or a bad thing that they are changing to the A380 cockpit windows. Commonality is good, but commonality at the expense of the deeper calculations that go into a properly maximized design is bad.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:34 pm

Shame. The XWB's cockpit windows were its best feature. Still, if it makes financial and manufacturing sense then they must do it.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:43 pm

That's a bit of a shame. I thought one of the most graceful features of the plane was the 4-pane slanted window appearance with the graceful nose. The more standard configuring is plain at best, slightly ugly at worst. First we lose the agressive design cues on the 787, now this. I guess basic transportation isn't supposed to be sexy...sigh
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:49 pm

Wouldn't the slightly sharp angle invariably lead to greater drag?
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Mon May 07, 2007 4:52 pm

The A350s nose goes away from the usual Airbus nose, whihc in turn would make the A350 special. With the usual Airbus nose, it wouldn't be special. IMO it would be a bad move by Airbus, which would easily be included in the already long list of bad mistakes Airbus has made over the last few years
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:53 pm

Interestingly enough they cut off the second part of the article saying that they have increased the internal diameter to 559 cm and Leahy says customers are asking AB to look at high density 10-abreast seating.

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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:54 pm

Well at least it will look a bit different to the 787...with the other nose there was somehow some resemblance between both a/c
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 4:59 pm

Somehow this new design reminds me a bit of a BAe 146... a bit sad-looking.
 
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Mon May 07, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
if it makes financial and manufacturing sense then they must do it.

Indeed, and another proof that in fact the whole discussion on the profitability of a single program ike the A380 is a purely theoretical discussion since much of the technology designed for (and accounted to) the A380 (at first) will be used on other programs later on as well...
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
The A350s nose goes away from the usual Airbus nose

What is the "usual" Airbus nose? One can argue the A300's nose was the original. However, since the advent of the A320 family the nose has been adjusted somewhat (rather dramatically, by many accounts). Looking at the A380, one can almost surmise that the design is based loosely on that of the A320s - on a MUCH larger scale. So, looking at the new design concept of the A350, which design is originally Airbus? I suppose time will tell, and the final cut will be the deciding factor. Airbus, as an airplane manufacturer, has evolved with their designs by leaps and bounds. In my opinion, "usual" really doesn't have much of a place anymore. But that's just my 2 cents  wink .
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 5:13 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 1):
this smacks of "someone in engineering found out that marketing's window design is stupid

You mean much like Boeing and its original 787 "designs"?  sarcastic 

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 1):
but commonality at the expense of the deeper calculations that go into a properly maximized design is bad.

You did read the bit about this being one of several design studies related to the nose? How does that "smack of being over budget"?


Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 1):
I am undecided as of yet if its a good thing or a bad thing that they are changing to the A380 cockpit windows.

When you make you mind up, please be sure to let Airbus know. I'm sure they're waiting to hear from you. wink 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 5:43 pm

Oh no, please dont change this hotlooking nose.  cry  The A380 nose looks odd from mosts angles.  Sad

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It has adopted the A380-derived nosewheel-bay configuration, which puts the landing gear much further forward than previous Airbus widebodies, in the space directly under the cockpit.

Why they put the landing gear further forward? For more cargo space?

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With the CFD design tools and the computing power now available we can iterate the design much faster, and we have been able to reduce the windtunnel time by 40% compared to the A380.

At least one good news, it seems they are making progress to shorten developement cycles.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Still, if it makes financial and manufacturing sense then they must do it.

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Quoting Graphic (Reply 4):
Wouldn't the slightly sharp angle invariably lead to greater drag?

Well, probably not or at least not significantly. After all the article states "...while optimizing aerodynamics..."

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
The A350s nose goes away from the usual Airbus nose, whihc in turn would make the A350 special. With the usual Airbus nose, it wouldn't be special. IMO it would be a bad move by Airbus, which would easily be included in the already long list of bad mistakes Airbus has made over the last few years

It's a myth that airlines buy planes because they like the cockpit windows or the plane looks "special". It's usually the economics of a plane that convince an airline to buy.


Besides all that I would not take that drawing too serious. I am sure the final design will look better than the graphic FI published here.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:09 pm

Well, if that comes true, I hope LH will decide for the 787 instead of this ugly thing. I liked the Darth Vader A350 nose.
It is an argument that airlines don't care about the looks of an aircraft but on the other hand, look at busses, trams, (passenger-) locomotives, airport terminals... . All of those could be just square boxes if it was just about pure economics.

I think, that if an aircraft looks futuristic people will think it is new and might prefer airlines flying it whereas the 5th warmup of the A300 or 707 nose appears old, no matter what technology is underneath it.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 1):
this smacks of "someone in engineering found out that marketing's window design is stupid, and we are way the hell over budget anyway"

Doesn't the 777 have the 767 nose?
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:21 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
Doesn't the 777 have the 767 nose?

Certainly does they share the same "section 41"
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:32 pm

Hmm...old nose looks "Caravelle"-esque and was IMHO, quite pretty. New nose job looks hideous. I hope they will keep the old nose design. It both looks good (I don't think they should underestimate the aesthetics) and is throwback to history (=Caravelle).
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:36 pm

To me, it's bearing some resemblance to a mad dog's nose  Smile which is good...

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Mon May 07, 2007 6:37 pm



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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):
another proof that in fact the whole discussion on the profitability of a single program ike the A380 is a purely theoretical discussion

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Purely theoretical? Really?

I see what you're saying, but I think your basic proposition is a bit of an overstatement.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:44 pm

Hmm doesn't make it look better IMO, however who really cares..



Other very succesfull aircraft e.g. F27, B777, Dakota, An-2, F4 can't considered beauty's either..
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 21):
Hmm doesn't make it look better IMO, however who really cares..

I fear impending abuse for this - but I personally think that the 747 is a big of a minger too - doesn't make it not a great plane - just not very nice to look at.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 7:02 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 21):
B777

B777 not pretty??? What's not pretty about it???

More on topic- I actually like the new nose, the old one was cool too, but this new nose, once it's efficient as the old one, will differentiate the A350XWB from the 787 and show some consistency in the Airbus brand. I hop this new nose stays!!!

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Mon May 07, 2007 7:04 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 23):
B777 not pretty??? What's not pretty about it???

I have to agree, apart from the huge engines, it's not much to look at, a bit boring actually. I prefer trijets and quads in the looks department anyway. (For widebodies)
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 23):
More on topic- I actually like the new nose, the old one was cool too, but this new nose, once it's efficient as the old one, will differentiate the A350XWB from the 787 and show some consistency in the Airbus brand. I hop this new nose stays!!!

Finally someone I agree with, what's bad about the new nose? I think it's got now "personality", we'll have to wait and see how the complete plane looks after the change...
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 7:39 pm

Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 25):
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 23):
More on topic- I actually like the new nose, the old one was cool too, but this new nose, once it's efficient as the old one, will differentiate the A350XWB from the 787 and show some consistency in the Airbus brand. I hop this new nose stays!!!

Finally someone I agree with, what's bad about the new nose? I think it's got now "personality", we'll have to wait and see how the complete plane looks after the change...

Lets see, do you know why the airlines rejected the first few designs of the A350, erm... oh yeah, because it was an A330 with A350 written on it. The consequence of that alone emphasised that airlines would only buy if it showed innovation over factors such as commonality, case in point, the 787. The 787 is very innovative, and does not seem to have a lot in common with any other boeing (e.g, unlike the 767 sharing the nose with the 777), apart from the similar dimensions of a 767.

For me this is a sign of Airbus trying to cut down on time and money, and this just woud not impress me if I was an airline considering purchasing an aircraft in this sector.

I think the nose of the A350, (the bullet design) looks superb, and imediately it would catch my attention because it doesn't look like an A330, or an A380, and I'm sure the economics could be improved with the bullet design.

I certainly hope airbus stay with the bullet design, it would be worth it after the time and money put through to design it.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 24):
have to agree, apart from the huge engines, it's not much to look at, a bit boring actually. I prefer trijets and quads in the looks department anyway. (For widebodies)

Yea but what's not pretty about it. It's boring, well proportioned 'jumbo'. But nothing is ugly- you may say it's boring and plain, but NOT ugly!!!

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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 27):
Yea but what's not pretty about it. It's boring, well proportioned 'jumbo'. But nothing is ugly- you may say it's boring and plain, but NOT ugly!!!

Ahh, I get what you mean. You are right, it is not ugly, that I agree.

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 26):
For me this is a sign of Airbus trying to cut down on time and money, and this just woud not impress me if I was an airline considering purchasing an aircraft in this sector.

As mentioned before, the 777 has the same nose section (section 41) as the 767. I don't think anyone considers that as a negative sign, as you are.

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 26):
I think the nose of the A350, (the bullet design) looks superb, and imediately it would catch my attention because

Looks are not everything. The artist rendering of the 787 was amazing, with a futuristic nose section and shark tail. None of those features remained however. Besides, this is one of the desing studies, nothing finalized. I'm sure Airbus will go with whatevers the most cost effective, either in efficiency, or the a380 nose section as it may cut down development time (and money). If they can save time and money,. why not do it?
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 8:12 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 28):
As mentioned before, the 777 has the same nose section (section 41) as the 767. I don't think anyone considers that as a negative sign, as you are.

Bearing in mind the 767 and the 777 are more similar to each other than the A350 and the A380, they may as well just put the A330 nose back on, despite commonality, I just can't see the advantage of the A380 nose on a plane a lot smaller.
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Mon May 07, 2007 8:21 pm

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 29):
Bearing in mind the 767 and the 777 are more similar to each other than the A350 and the A380, they may as well just put the A330 nose back on, despite commonality, I just can't see the advantage of the A380 nose on a plane a lot smaller.

The 777 is also quite a bit wider and bigger than the 767. But again, it's just a design study, and thay have the aerodynamics data. The a380 nose design is also a lot newer than the a330 nose design, which IIRC dates back to the a300.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 8:32 pm

In the 1930s, the Soviet aircraft designer Nikolai Polikarpov claimed that "if it looks right, it IS right".

I'm not convinced that the A380-like nose looks "right" on the A350 (okay, I'm trying not to use the word "ugly").

If Polikarpov was right, then I guess the laws of aerodynamics have changed.

Maybe the accountants have re-written them!
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 9:20 pm

Not a fan of the A380's aesthetics, so putting them on the A350XWB isn't going to do much for her, either, but airlines don't buy planes (and customers don't fly them) based on their looks, so...
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 10):
Looking at the A380, one can almost surmise that the design is based loosely on that of the A320s

To me the 380 nose looks like an, ample, matronly, low slung woman's breast. The new 350 nose looks a bit more perky -- but it still looks like a breast.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 10:28 pm

I thought the 350XWB was by far the best looking thing airbus has yet designed, and not to mention one of the best looking commercial aircraft ever designed as well. The 4 big windows(like on the 787) on the first 350XWB were so much more graceful and "next generation" looking, but like PM said, if it makes fiscal sense, then you've got to do what you've got to do. IMHO i think the A380 already looks dated( not technologically, but aesthetically) compared to the whats to come a la 787, 350XWB, SSJ, and even the E-Jets. just my opinion.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 1):
this smacks of "someone in engineering found out that marketing's window design is stupid, and we are way the hell over budget anyway"

......this smacks of I dont know what Im talking about, so I'll make it up as I go along

I wonder is there a reason why its called a STUDY?
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 10:39 pm

Dont take it too seriously.

Quote:

Airbus says the A350’s new nose shape is “one of several design studies” it is working on
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 10:46 pm

I'm a beancounter and I understand that looks are low on priority ladder BUT I do believe that keeping the old design with it's futuristic 4-piece windows might do more good in long term. Why? Beacuse people are not completly logic. The looks of brand-new composite hi-end plane with a nose job that separates it from it's older siblings will subconsciously nest an idea of "new generation plane". At least for common people. And that just might be the edge that A350 needs to sustain it's sales.

Things like these are very hard to quantify and predict. But I personaly believe that whatever the savings with A380 uglish nose- job are, they should be weighted against possible image loss.

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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 26):
For me this is a sign of Airbus trying to cut down on time and money, and this just woud not impress me if I was an airline considering purchasing an aircraft in this sector.

Oh come on, I don't think it is much cheaper take the basic A380 design in comparison to design a completely new nose. After all you can't simply cut off the nose of an A380 and stick it on the A350, proportions would not allow that...

Quoting Grunf (Reply 37):
The looks of brand-new composite hi-end plane with a nose job that separates it from it's older siblings will subconsciously nest an idea of "new generation plane". At least for common people. And that just might be the edge that A350 needs to sustain it's sales.

So you are implying "common people" would make the sales decision on the A350? I'd rather say it's going to be the experts making such decisions and I believe that they don't buy a plane because looks pretty (which the original design does, no doubt about that).

Quoting EI321 (Reply 36):
Dont take it too seriously.

I agree, let's wait an see what Airbus presents in the near future.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:21 pm

They decided to move the cockpit crew rest towards the cockpit (security issues)


They decided to move the crewrests up from traditional belly containers.


Moving the crew rest up might have triggered the discussions about alternative cockpits. The A380 cockpit arrangement dopted some months ago might have triggered to look at the A380 complete cockpit. (its fits for sure..)



They widened up the fuselage a bit to provide additional comfort 9-abreast / 10-abreast high density configurations.

Similar design improvement we have seen with the 787, adjusting ranges, wing spans, window sizes, door locations, body shapes etc. The XWB final design freeze will be next year, but a lot of evaluations and negotiations with customers seem to be going on.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:22 pm

I liked the old nose much better on the A350, but I think we all knew it wouldn't make it to final design. Much like the sharkfin never made it to final design on the 787. I don't think the new nose/cockpit configuration is as bad as some make it out to be. It gives the plane a unique appearance and, in an era when all widebodies are becoming twins and look very similar to each other, it's a good differentiator.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 38):
So you are implying "common people" would make the sales decision on the A350? I'd rather say it's going to be the experts making such decisions and I believe that they don't buy a plane because looks pretty (which the original design does, no doubt about that).

I think you're right in what you say, but I think there's a difficult-to-quantify measure arising from customer perceptions. Look at what they did to sales of the DC-10. Obviously the shape of the cockpit windows is a vastly different beast from the idea that an airliner is unsafe, but these things do occasionally matter.

Just because the economic benefit is small -- perhaps vanishingly small -- doesn't mean it's zero. Cost-benefit wise, I would doubt that it would be enough for Airbus to choose one design over another, but ceteris paribus ...

Quoting Keesje (Reply 39):
They decided to move the cockpit crew rest towards the cockpit (security issues)

Wow, I don't know, but there's something really appealing about the layout of that crew rest area to me. It looks so cozy.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:29 pm

C'mon...now who is actually surprised the nose/cockpit design is going to change? This is just like the 787 tail design story. So much for a new and different-looking final designs...
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:32 pm

I don't know why, but that reminds me of a possum.

 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 39):
They widened up the fuselage a bit to provide additional comfort 9-abreast / 10-abreast high density configurations.

No way can the A350XWB handle 3-4-3. 3-3-3 (or 2-5-2) is the only economical option. 2-4-2 can be done, however, costs per seat would then be much higher than the 787 or 777.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 39):
They decided to move the crewrests up from traditional belly containers.

Thats a good move. However, will those crew rests be big enough? The 777 can do it because of its circular fuselage. What is the hight of the A350XWB fuselage?

Quoting Keesje (Reply 39):
The XWB final design freeze will be next year, but a lot of evaluations and negotiations with customers seem to be going on.

Why? EIS for the A350-900 (the first version) is set for 2013 right? That means they don't have to freeze the design before 2010.
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Semobeila (Reply 38):

So you are implying "common people" would make the sales decision on the A350? I'd rather say it's going to be the experts making such decisions and I believe that they don't buy a plane because looks pretty (which the original design does, no doubt about that).

No, I'm just saying that it might be the little stone that is needed to start an avalanche. Perception matters.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 43):
I don't know why, but that reminds me of a possum.

Brilliant!
 
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:42 pm

While there is no particular reason Airbus should give the 350 a nose that pleases the general public, there is even *less* reason Airbus should give Flight International or *any* other layman flight magazine a preview of a non-frozen concept.

I'm not saying the magazine made it up exactly, but rather that the graphic included is not about the nose as much as it is about the nose *gear*. Indeed the article mentions:

Quote:
Airbus says the A350’s new nose shape is “one of several design studies” it is working on, but has not yet frozen the design.

“There have been a number of trade-offs in the nose area, enabling us to maximise the volume of the cockpit and avionics bay while optimising aerodynamics and the positioning of the nose landing gear,” says Didier Evrard, executive vice-president A350 programme.

So the layman press asks for a drawing to demonstrate how the 350 landing gear is similarly placed as the 380 landing gear. Airbus PR takes a drawing of the 380 nose, cuts and changes some proportions so it fits for a single deck plane, and gives the press a picture of the 380 nose. After all:

Quote:
It has adopted the A380-derived nosewheel-bay configuration, which puts the landing gear much further forward than previous Airbus widebodies, in the space directly under the cockpit.

The press then attempts to make a logical assumption, but trips and hurts its knee:

Quote:
A computer-aided design drawing graphic released by Airbus of one of the A350 nose configurations under study reveals that it now has a more conventionally shaped nose and flightdeck window layout compared with the one shown in all A350 XWB images released to date.

Note how the press considers the included pictures to be of the nose design all of a sudden, when only paragraphs earlier this was a diagram of nose gear placement.

So when Flight International gets a generic, slightly editied 380 nose diagram to demonstrate the placement of the nose gear, they make up the assumtion without clearing it with Airbus, that this is a possible 350 nose.

Airbus never said this was a picture of the proposed nose, just the nose gear. Flight International conveniently didn't ask.

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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Mon May 07, 2007 11:49 pm

Well, there goes the beauty of the 350. Aesthetically, I prefer Boeing deisgn over Airbus on any model. However, I think the A350 is a really good looking plane.... unless they use this 380 nose.
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RE: Airbus May Put A380 Nose On A350!

Tue May 08, 2007 12:06 am

Hi,

Quoting Levent (Reply 8):
Somehow this new design reminds me a bit of a BAe 146... a bit sad-looking.



Quoting Grunf (Reply 17):
Hmm...old nose looks "Caravelle"-esque and was IMHO, quite pretty. New nose job looks hideous. I hope they will keep the old nose design. It both looks good (I don't think they should underestimate the aesthetics) and is throwback to history (=Caravelle).


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